Communion Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Delirious said: Noones rejoicing this? Who said that? I will be voting for Jill Stein and actively working to get as many people as possible to not vote for Democrats explicitly due to your posts on here rejoicing in the suffering of a Palestinian user and Biden's dehumanization of the Palestinian people. This thread was the definite decision maker for anyone with moral clarity. When people show you who they are, believe them. I'm just glad to be an American and get to vote against 2 pro-genocide parties in the imperial core at the center of this genocide come November. If conservatives around the world are putting their hopes in Biden, It's clear no progressive in good conscious can support a Biden win. 1
rihannafan Posted May 6 Posted May 6 8 minutes ago, Johnny Jacobs said: No you didn't. It's a simple yes or no question. No need for an assay. Do you see Hamas as a terror organization? Also... Many users here that i don't agree with at least speak with a certain level of decency. That user you desperately want back didn't. I know that from experience. Many users were banned because they deserved it. From both sides. The answer was no. Hope this helps. 1
Johnny Jacobs Posted May 6 Posted May 6 7 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said: People have condemned Hamas and their violence, and they've done it way more than enough at this point. They've also acknowledged that Hamas is an armed resistance group that has the right to resist illegal occupation So all of this essay and yet still no yes or no answer. Surprising. So you're saying Hamas has the right to murder hundreds of families. Got you. Thanks for clarifying. 1 2
rihannafan Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Just now, Johnny Jacobs said: So all of this essay and yet still no yes or no answer. Surprising. So you're saying Hamas has the right to murder hundreds of families. Got you. Thanks for clarifying. Does israel? Who killed 234 Palestinians (that we know of) in 2023 prior to October 7. 1
Hitchhiker Posted May 6 Posted May 6 10 hours ago, KingWitch said: I think them not mentioning how they'll get rid of the terrorist organization that is Hamas should be addressed. Getting rid of an organisation that started bc of Israel killing Palestinians people by continuing to kill Palestinians yes how easy is that what a mastermind you are 🙌🏼
Delirious Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Just now, Communion said: I will be voting for Jill Stein and actively working to get as many people as possible to not vote for Democrats explicitly due to your posts on here rejoicing in the suffering of a Palestinian user and Biden's dehumanization of the Palestinian people. This thread was the definite decision maker for anyone with moral clarity. When people show you who they are, believe them. I'm just glad to be an American and get to vote against 2 pro-genocide parties in the imperial core at the center of this genocide come November. If conservatives around the world are putting their hopes in Biden, It's clear no progressive in good conscious can support a Biden win. If this is what you deduced from this thread then I feel sorry for you. You clearly aren't thinking straight. "your posts on here rejoicing in the suffering of a Palestinian user and Biden's dehumanization of the Palestinian people" - 💀 Communion stop gaslighting people for one second challenge 1
Johnny Jacobs Posted May 6 Posted May 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, rihannafan said: Does israel? Who killed 234 Palestinians (that we know of) in 2023 prior to October 7. Who killed 1400+(that we know of) during? Edited May 6 by Johnny Jacobs
Earth Ripper Posted May 6 Posted May 6 9 minutes ago, Johnny Jacobs said: No you didn't. It's a simple yes or no question. No need for an assay. Do you see Hamas as a terror organization? It's not a simple question though... Not in the slightest. 4
rihannafan Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Just now, Johnny Jacobs said: Who killed 1400+ during? 700, I believe is the latest number. But 234 was berore 700, and the question was who started it. So the answer is no, Hamas did not start it.
Delirious Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Earth Ripper said: It's not a simple question though... Not in the slightest. It is though. Why did they do Oct 7? Is that literally not a terrorist attack? 1
Communion Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 Just now, Delirious said: If this is what you deduced from this thread I suggest you move your interests to elections you can actually vote in as an Australian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Australian_federal_election Whatever goals you hope to achieve in defending the America Democratic right have and will only continue to backfire. I cannot in good conscious support a political party who attract a wide spectrum of conservatives ranging from those who call for the mass subjugation of Muslims worldwide to ethnonationalists who believe that Israel is a religious prophecy justifying perpetual ethnic underclasses. 1
Johnny Jacobs Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 minute ago, rihannafan said: 700, I believe is the latest number. But 234 was berore 700, and the question was who started it. So the answer is no, Hamas did not start it. You believe wrong. Its half of the actual number. Don't twist the facts
Johnny Jacobs Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Communion said: I suggest you move your interests to elections you can actually vote in as an Australian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Australian_federal_election Whatever goals you hope to achieve in defending the America Democratic right have and will only continue to backfire. I cannot in good conscious support a political party who attract a wide spectrum of conservatives ranging from those who call for the mass subjugation of Muslims worldwide to ethnonationalists who believe that Israel is a religious prophecy justifying perpetual ethnic underclasses. Im actually interested in hearing who are you voting for
Delirious Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Communion said: I suggest you move your interests to elections you can actually vote in as an Australian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Australian_federal_election Whatever goals you hope to achieve in defending the America Democratic right have and will only continue to backfire. I cannot in good conscious support a political party who attract a wide spectrum of conservatives ranging from those who call for the mass subjugation of Muslims worldwide to ethnonationalists who believe that Israel is a religious prophecy justifying perpetual ethnic underclasses. Girl noone here is trying to change who you will vote for...? Vote for whoever you want noone cares you don't need to let us know? 1
Earth Ripper Posted May 6 Posted May 6 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Johnny Jacobs said: So all of this essay and yet still no yes or no answer. Surprising. So you're saying Hamas has the right to murder hundreds of families. Got you. Thanks for clarifying. That is not what I'm saying, and I fully support the ICC's willingness to arrest Hamas officials for war crimes which obviously have happened. The right to resist occupation should obviously, ideally only be interpreted as affecting Israeli soldiers, government officials,... And this is why Israel's colonialist tactics are so disgusting and reprehensible: they make sure that Israeli civilians/settlers become part of the colonialist crime, so that they are automatically the only realistic target and leverage for Palestinian resistance. All of this is why it is not a simple question of condemning Hamas or not. Condemning them or not makes no difference to the geopolitical reality of the illegal occupation and the calculated effect it has on sabotaging Palestinians' struggle for freedom and independence. Edited May 6 by Earth Ripper 4
Delirious Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Just now, Earth Ripper said: That is not what I'm saying, and I fully support the ICC's willingness to arrest Hamas officials for war crimes which obviously have happened. The right to resist is occupation should obviously, ideally only be interpreted as affecting Israeli soldiers, government officials,... And this is why Israel's colonialist tactics are so disgusting and reprehensible: they make sure that Israeli civilians/settlers become part of the colonialist crime, so that they are automatically the only realistic target and leverage for Palestinian resistance. All of this is why it is not a simple question of condemning Hamas or not. Condemning them or not makes no difference to the geopolitical reality of the illegal occupation and the calculated effect it has on sabotaging Palestinians' struggle for freedom and independence. And just like clockwork...ignoring the question at hand 1
Gottasadae Posted May 6 Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Communion said: I will be voting for Jill Stein and actively working to get as many people as possible to not vote for Democrats A simple translation - I will be helping to elect Trump and actively working to get as many people as possible to not vote for Democrats Bro you need to get some mental help and stability, plus some rest from such threads coz reading your posts - it's always a rollercoaster from right things to complete delusion __________________________________________ Why I'm not surprised that this "lovely" conversation is turned into complete mess of personal insults and accusations. 2 3
Aethereal Posted May 6 Posted May 6 5 minutes ago, rihannafan said: 700, I believe is the latest number. But 234 was berore 700, and the question was who started it. So the answer is no, Hamas did not start it. 700 were Israeli civilians, there were other American and other ethnicities (maybe Israeli-Arabs) that were victims. Up to the 1,200 figure includes militants and police. 1
Communion Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 Just now, Delirious said: And just like clockwork...ignoring the question at hand 10/07 cannot be determined as a war crime until brought before the ICC and investigated. What is Israel's current stance on participating in any ICC trial, even as the plaintiff bringing forward charges of war crimes?
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted May 6 ATRL Administrator Posted May 6 59 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said: I get what you're saying, ánd... ...you should also be able to see that writing "They played right into the IDF's hands" is a form of minimizing what the IDF did as well Israel used the Hannibal Directive against Israeli civilians on October 7th. We literally have no clue about how the responsibility of the violence that day is to be divided yet. This is being investigated still, so I suggest we actually wait for that outcome. I just think it's weird that you keep referring back to this for that very reason, especially when Israel has been publicly and repeatedly exposed for spreading lies about the scale of violence ánd the details about October 7th. You seem to be aware that the IDF would have found ways to massacre Gazans regardless, so what exactly is the relevance of bringing up that particular event over and over then? I am all for never downplaying Hamas' history of violence but October 7th isn't even a great example of that. So to even imply (and you did way more than that) that Hamas' actions that day can be rightfully seen as the "trigger" for the genocide unfolding now is actually just repeating part of Israel's propaganda. So even if you don't feel like you're doing that, it's just what it looks like, which explains why people are getting so triggered by you. I understand what you’re saying. Legit. It wasnt my intention to imply anything Hamas did deserved the reaction it did. I don’t think stating with context that it was used as the catalyst for this latest round of attacks from the IDF should be considered a bad thing. IMO it may not be what people want to talk about but it is the reality of the situation. I think if there were more posters like you around, there would be more who would feel comfortable trying to engage. But it feels as if you say anything that isn’t “Zionist this, Zionist that, hamas is justified for what they do” (I’m deliberately paraphrasing and oversimplifying) then you’re the enemy. And that’s not a comfortable feeling when IMO we’re all in agreement that the real victims here are the Palestinians and everyone who isn’t standing up for them is complicit in these atrocities. 2
Earth Ripper Posted May 6 Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, Delirious said: It is though. Why did they do Oct 7? Is that literally not a terrorist attack? Is that a trick question or something lol Why did they do Oct 7? To end the occupation. Straight from Hamas leadership's mouths as the attack began. Of course it was also a terrorist attack. Just like Israel opened fire against thousands of unarmed demonstrators (incl. children), paramedics and journalists in 2018. We can play this game all day long. It might be good education, actually. We can sure include some terrorist attacks by the US while we're at it. The fact remains that the question "is Hamas a terrorist group" is strategically placed to disrupt legally informed discourse about Israel's colonialism. 2 2
Johnny Jacobs Posted May 6 Posted May 6 5 minutes ago, Earth Ripper said: All of this is why it is not a simple question of condemning Hamas or not. Condemning them or not makes no difference to the geopolitical reality of the illegal occupation and the calculated effect it has on sabotaging Palestinians' struggle for freedom and independence If it wouldn't have made any difference you would've condemn them. Just be honest and say you don't want to. I'll respect it more. 3
Communion Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: I will be helping to elect Trump Again, Biden is solely responsible for purposefully alienating the majority of his voters by committing to supporting genocide. You don't get the below figures by people flipping between Democrats and Republicans. You get them by people being unable to grapple with the support and glee Democrats display in slaughtering the Palestinian people. So liberals who double down on their disparaging of the Democratic base as "supporting terrorists" and "defending the indefensible" by supporting the Palestinian people must be prepared for what their actions will do to the current Democratic voting coalition. My heart cannot exist alongside those who views Palestinians are disposable. They are not disposable. Their lives matter. 1
Earth Ripper Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Just now, Johnny Jacobs said: If it wouldn't have made any difference you would've condemn them. Just be honest and say you don't want to. I'll respect it more. I said it doesn't make a difference to the geopolitical situation. It DOES make a difference, though, to public discourse about Israel. As I said, this demand to condemn Hamas is literally part of a strategically designed propaganda campaign to distract from international law. Not playing by those propaganda rules has importance. 1 1
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted May 6 ATRL Administrator Posted May 6 37 minutes ago, rihannafan said: When the administrator bans people who know what happened because they live in the area and keep people like Kassi who read rhe wikipedia page about the "conflict", this is what happens I already told you I didn’t ban him but I am going to ban you now. See you in two weeks. 3 8
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