Headlock Posted May 3 Posted May 3 16 minutes ago, Gerardo said: I'm pretty sure it was Carly Rae Jepsen's Emotion and Beyoncé's ST, but like other people here have said it's something that had been building and discussed for years prior to all of these albums and I'd argue that what a lot of people call poptimism is just magazines not wanting fan bases attacking them and wanting clicks/interactions from them (positive ones) OT: hopefully it gets to the high 70s Emotion came out after 1989, just saying. But I agree with the sentiment.
M.R. Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 hours ago, wigglytuffer said: Reminder that Teenage Dream by Katy Perry got 52 on Metacritic. Now would you class one of the most celebrated female album cycles of all time a 52? Exactly. I feel like it's only recently critics have been nicer to pop girls, I remember in the early 10s pop always got AWFUL rankings. Make your own mind up and enjoy it! That albums deserved its score and will never become a classic. There's like 4 good songs on it. 1 5
M.R. Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Rev8 said: tbh Poptimism was evident all the way when Lady Gaga debuted she was getting praised left and right This never happened actually. TF has a 71 score and she never received the praise she deserved even at her peak. 5
Into The Void Posted May 3 Posted May 3 People act as if 70 is bad. 5 yrs ago this would have been a fine score. Now it's considered panned. Do yalp even know what panned is. 4
SwiftLover Posted May 3 Posted May 3 7 minutes ago, Into The Void said: People act as if 70 is bad. 5 yrs ago this would have been a fine score. Now it's considered panned. Do yalp even know what panned is. There's a 50-page thread PANNING a 76MC on this very website. 3
alfonso12 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Rev8 said: tbh Poptimism was evident all the way when Lady Gaga debuted she was getting praised left and right What? if that was true TFM and BTW would have a score around 85-95 like Future Nostalgia, but both are in the 70s. It actually started around 2013-2014, I remember Pure Heroine and Beyoncé were two of the first mainstream pop albums I saw having a +80 score. 1 1
?????? Posted May 3 Posted May 3 22 minutes ago, M.R. said: That albums deserved its score and will never become a classic. There's like 4 good songs on it. Tbf Teenage Dream deserved like 60+ at least. All the singles were major bops but yeah the album tracks really..... especially Peacock
?????? Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SwiftLover said: There's a 50-page thread PANNING a 76MC on this very website. Oh tayGOD the music industry standard... no wonder she got OTHs pressed over a 76MC which is actually considered great OT: Honestly solid scoring for RO so far, but the 3/10 is just not it. Edited May 3 by ??????
Cloröx Posted May 3 Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, alfonso12 said: What? if that was true TFM and BTW would have a score around 85-95 like Future Nostalgia, but both are in the 70s. It actually started around 2013-2014, I remember Pure Heroine and Beyoncé were two of the first mainstream pop albums I saw having a +80 score. TFM and BTW barely made it into year-end or decade-end lists so both albums won't score higher than 85. They are not like Red, 1989, Emotion or Anti 6
Into The Void Posted May 3 Posted May 3 10 minutes ago, SwiftLover said: There's a 50-page thread PANNING a 76MC on this very website. This website isn't bright
Blade Runner Posted May 3 Posted May 3 3 hours ago, wigglytuffer said: Reminder that Teenage Dream by Katy Perry got 52 on Metacritic. Now would you class one of the most celebrated female album cycles of all time a 52? Exactly. I feel like it's only recently critics have been nicer to pop girls, I remember in the early 10s pop always got AWFUL rankings. Make your own mind up and enjoy it! That was absolutely deserved. 4
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 P4K - 6.6 https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/dua-lipa-radical-optimism/ 1
alfonso12 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cloröx said: TFM and BTW barely made it into year-end or decade-end lists so both albums won't score higher than 85. They are not like Red, 1989, Emotion or Anti TFM was literally the most acclaimed mainstream pop album since like Madonna's COADF (2005) until maybe Beyonce's selftitled (2013) ?? idk, but I don't remember any other mainstream pop album from the late 00's-early10's having more than 78 so yeah, it would've scored more than 85 in the poptimism era. Edited May 3 by alfonso12 1
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Just now, alfonso12 said: TFM was literally the most acclaimed mainstream pop album since like Madonna's COADF (2005) until maybe Beyonce's selftitled (2013) ?? idk, but I don't remember any other mainstream pop album from the late 00's-early10's having more than 78 so yeah, it would've scored more than 85 in the poptimism era. TFM was not even the most acclaimed pop album within the year's time of its release. Body Talk was (and still is) 1
alfonso12 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Just now, Raspberries said: TFM was not even the most acclaimed pop album within the year's time of its release. Body Talk was (and still is) I clearly said MAINSTREAM pop album, learn how to read. 5
Trainwreck Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, SwiftLover said: There's a 50-page thread PANNING a 76MC on this very website. These people have worms for brain
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 10 minutes ago, alfonso12 said: I clearly said MAINSTREAM pop album, learn how to read. That album literally has Max Martin on it How is it not mainstream 1 1
playwithme Posted May 3 Posted May 3 11 minutes ago, Raspberries said: TFM was not even the most acclaimed pop album within the year's time of its release. Body Talk was (and still is) You missed the word *mainstream*. Body Talk was a massive commercial failure. The Fame Monster was the most acclaimed mainstream pop album since COTDF, that's a fact. Weekly charts[edit] Chart (2010–2011) Peak position Swedish Albums (Sverigetopplistan)[48] 2 US Top Dance/Electronic Albums (Billboard)[51] 3 Norwegian Albums (VG-lista)[47] 8 Danish Albums (Hitlisten)[46] 13 Belgian Alternative Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[45] 14 Australian Dance Albums (ARIA)[44] 21 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[45] 32 US Billboard 200[50] 142 UK Albums (OCC)[49] 168 2
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, playwithme said: You missed the word *mainstream*. Body Talk was a massive commercial failure. The Fame Monster was the most acclaimed mainstream pop album since COTDF, that's a fact. Weekly charts[edit] Chart (2010–2011) Peak position Swedish Albums (Sverigetopplistan)[48] 2 US Top Dance/Electronic Albums (Billboard)[51] 3 Norwegian Albums (VG-lista)[47] 8 Danish Albums (Hitlisten)[46] 13 Belgian Alternative Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[45] 14 Australian Dance Albums (ARIA)[44] 21 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)[45] 32 US Billboard 200[50] 142 UK Albums (OCC)[49] 168 It is still a mainstream pop album. It was just by a small artist pls It was a dance pop album with gigantic Swedish super producers on it 1 2
alfonso12 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Raspberries said: That album literally has Max Martin on it How is it not mainstream Cause it's indie pop released by Robyn's own label. Critics used to hate everything that was mainstream and she got respect because she was indie. The facts are that from 2006 till 2012 Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Kylie Minogue, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Beyoncé, Jennifer Lopez, Nelly Furtado, P!nk, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, Alicia Keys, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Adele, Taylor Swift, Kesha, Nicki Minaj, Hilary Duff, Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato and many more released albums and none of them were able to reach The Fame Monster's 78 points in metacritic, so it's safe to say that if nowadays almost any pop album gets a 80 points score, TFM would've easily scored more than 85, 1 7
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Just now, alfonso12 said: Cause it's indie pop released by Robyn's own label. Critics used to hate everything that was mainstream and she got respect because she was indie. The facts are that from 2006 till 2012 Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Kylie Minogue, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Beyoncé, Jennifer Lopez, Nelly Furtado, P!nk, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, Alicia Keys, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Adele, Taylor Swift, Kesha, Nicki Minaj, Hilary Duff, Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato and many more released albums and none of them were able to reach The Fame Monster's 78 points in metacritic, so it's safe to say that if nowadays almost any pop album gets a 80 points score, TFM would've easily scored more than 85, It's still a mainstream pop album with pop super producers like Max Martin, Shellback, Diplo, etc. We don't argue in hypotheticals 1 1
Universo Posted May 3 Posted May 3 kinda shook i thought it would be yet another high 70s to low/mid 80s pop album
alfonso12 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Raspberries said: It's still a mainstream pop album with pop super producers like Max Martin, Shellback, Diplo, etc. We don't argue in hypotheticals Do you even know what "mainstream" means? it means being widely popular, commercially successful, how are you gonna call that an album that peaked at #142 in the US, #168 and only went top 10 in two small countries? Even if we include Robyn's album in the same group, the fact that the only album that came closer to that score is TFM says everything you need to know about how acclaimed it was. We are being off topic and you are too ignorant and delusional to talk to so I'm going to sleep now. Edited May 3 by alfonso12 3 3
Tistotal Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Y'all really pretending an album with eh eh there's nothing else I can say deserve more than 70s, uh? OT: Pitchfork giving this the same score as that Taylor album is very telling mm 1 4
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