wigglytuffer Posted May 3 Posted May 3 19 minutes ago, Hex said: Agreed! What I think is interesting is how people here are deeming a 70/10 a "flop" in any sense... a flop imo would be something below a 50 because a 70 reads like "pretty good, nice job". I think our brains are rotted by how highly praised very basic pop has been recently (mostly to give publications better success). We've in a way become disillusioned by dishonest criticism that now we think anything below an 85 is a flop Exactly!! We should be reserving 85+ for those lightning-in-a-bottle albums, 70 is by no means a flop at ALL
Rev8 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 6 minutes ago, supaspaz said: Okay, well, Iam Gormely didn't do his history homework. tbh Poptimism was evident all the way when Lady Gaga debuted she was getting praised left and right feels like it started around the time of Madonna's ROL and even Kylie's 00s work - first time in awhile made people change their view on pop music (along with some other songs, that may have been by pop artists, but were just that good that they couldn't go unnoticed (Beautiful,Toxic, etc) 1989's year may have been the most evident time where Poptimism was seen tho? Maybe that's why it is being pushed as the forefront, especially when it's by an all-acclaimed pop artist (since who most logical to "do" it?) publications often miss the plot, and lots of these articles are made with stans in mind (or the ideas are taken by the fan world as a whole) so the claim isn't surprising
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted May 3 ATRL Moderator Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Rev8 said: 989's year may have been the most evident time where Poptimism was seen tho? Maybe that's why it is being pushed as the forefront, especially when it's by an all-acclaimed pop artist (since who most logical to "do" it?) publications often miss the plot, and lots of these articles are made with stans in mind (or the ideas are taken by the fan world as a whole) so the claim isn't surprising I think 1989 was certainly a major beneficiary of poptimism. Riding that acclaim all the way to a Grammy for Album of the Year probably could be regarded as a seminal moment for poptimism as a mainstream force. But it was building on years and years of a growing movement in the critical establishment. 1
HANZ94 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 This new album flopped in every possible way the GP said NO the music critics said NO time to abandon the era and pretend it never happened
KasioKas Posted May 3 Posted May 3 43 minutes ago, halcyonday said: A drop to 67/100... It being the 6th most panned album of the year so far.. The review that called her a "default Sim (popstar expansion pack version)"... I can't believe what I'm seeing This is a Dua Lipa pop album in 2024 getting destroyed left and right, holy damn
ahauntingnearu Posted May 3 Posted May 3 oof. Sad but oh well. Maybe she won't have commercial or critical success, but at least she has the gays
Billionaire Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Critics aren't just randomly giving 90s & 100s to any major artist anymore? Interesting. The album gives bland but I didn't expect it to be this panned especially since FN was pretty well-received iirc
TheDreamer Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Dua going straight from her TD to Witness era and skipped PRISM 10
Kimi Posted May 3 Posted May 3 29 minutes ago, Rev8 said: tbh Poptimism was evident all the way when Lady Gaga debuted she was getting praised left and right girl are you coming from an alternate dimension 1 2 1
Kimi Posted May 3 Posted May 3 13 minutes ago, TheDreamer said: Dua going straight from her TD to Witness era and skipped PRISM fn was her prism
Rocket Posted May 3 Posted May 3 22 minutes ago, TheDreamer said: Dua going straight from her TD to Witness era and skipped PRISM She jumped straight to her Smile I fear. 2
Ms. Togekiss Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, halcyonday said: A drop to 67/100... It being the 6th most panned album of the year so far.. The review that called her a "default Sim (popstar expansion pack version)"... I can't believe what I'm seeing This is a Dua Lipa pop album in 2024 getting destroyed left and right, holy damn nnn the mega lashing Honestly, I think music critics should stick to the music and not the artist's celebrity, but that is exactly the problem with Dua Lipa. Her music, as great as it can be sometimes like FN, is still faceless and devoid of any personality, mostly due to her being bland and having absolutely no personality. No matter how much the Dua stans claim that her "hits" just take time to click with the GP, everyone with at least half a brain can see that her entire career is manufactured and she's nothing more than an industry plant. This doesn't bother me as much, as long as the music is good. This time around, the music is not good and the plant tactics just didn't work 1 1
burninredhot Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I'm sorry but imagine sending a publication your cd early for a good review and they give you a 30/100.. so cruel
Gerardo Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Raspberries said: It did. It was the start of critics being much less harsh on pure pop albums/albums by the big pop girls I'm pretty sure it was Carly Rae Jepsen's Emotion and Beyoncé's ST, but like other people here have said it's something that had been building and discussed for years prior to all of these albums and I'd argue that what a lot of people call poptimism is just magazines not wanting fan bases attacking them and wanting clicks/interactions from them (positive ones) OT: hopefully it gets to the high 70s
Raspberries Posted May 3 Posted May 3 5 minutes ago, Gerardo said: I'm pretty sure it was Carly Rae Jepsen's Emotion and Beyoncé's ST, but like other people here have said it's something that had been building and discussed for years prior to all of these albums and I'd argue that what a lot of people call poptimism is just magazines not wanting fan bases attacking them and wanting clicks/interactions from them (positive ones) OT: hopefully it gets to the high 70s 1989 came out before Emotion
frankvert Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 hours ago, Hex said: Agreed! What I think is interesting is how people here are deeming a 70/10 a "flop" in any sense... a flop imo would be something below a 50 because a 70 reads like "pretty good, nice job". I think our brains are rotted by how highly praised very basic pop has been recently (mostly to give publications better success). We've in a way become disillusioned by dishonest criticism that now we think anything below an 85 is a flop Olivia Rodrigo don't make that face 3
aesthetic bih Posted May 3 Posted May 3 It's okay. She really set the bar too high with FN. Radical Optimism was so short, but not all tracks are killer, unlike its predecessor. But I'm glad she had put it out and didn't delay this album further. Now she can take a few more vacations in peace, and move on to the next project
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