celeb news CNN: TTPD unfairly criticized; demands time to be fully appreciated

[ScorpiosGroove]

it's not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be but it's just… there 

 

a 6/10 at best 

[JonginBey]

[CuriousDolphin]

14 hours ago, Timber said:

I don't think any amount of time can fix cringe lyrics, talk singing, lack of musical adventure, and stale productions. Its a 5/10 and that's okay.

Exactly! Music is music. You're supposed to listen to it (the music, that being the vocals, melodies, harmonies, production), then comes the lyrics. If the former is lacking, the lather becomes unbearable, espesically in cases like TTPD, where the majority of the songs are literally being read to us. Yes, there are some good melodies and production highlights, but they're not consistent. And like I already said, this is music. Music doesn't need too many words to express an emotion. You need to feel it, it should be effortless. People say it takes time, well, I've listened to it 7-8 times and nothing's really changed. It's not like it's 35 minute album, it's over a ******* hour. The thing that bothers me the most is that you need to be familiar with the TS lore in order to understand the lyrics.

 

Also, I don't understand why some people think they have a right to shove their opinions down our throat just because it's Taylor Swift.

She really did drop the ball here, I mean, at the rate that she's making and releasing music, she was bound to.

 

Everyone drops the ball, it's how you pick it up that matters the most. That can be applied to all aspecs of life.

 

Edited April 27 by CuriousDolphin

[mrpartyrocker]

55 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

it's not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be but it's just… there 

 

a 6/10 at best 

It is bad for her status! It's in fact if not a joke, at least disgusting! 
 

we should have more expectations from someone that is supposed to be the biggest artist in the world, making billions off people buying her music and going to her concerts. She might as well record her farts because at this point that will sell as well. 

[Park Jinyoung]

You guys don't want to be on the wrong side of musical history do you? 😔🥺🥺 You want to get it right, right? Just listen to it until you get  it. The genius will reveal itself to you after the 20th listen ❤️🙈

[Jon Snow]

TTPD the Mona Lisa of music 

[Tylerbv]

While I do agree some albums take time and can age well (usually due to trends in music swaying towards what the album was going for), this post is dumb.

 

It's been out for like a week, how can they say it's had time to grow on them  the outrage over her getting criticized for a bland album is nuts.

[ScorpiosGroove]

1 hour ago, mrpartyrocker said:

It is bad for her status! It's in fact if not a joke, at least disgusting! 
 

we should have more expectations from someone that is supposed to be the biggest artist in the world, making billions off people buying her music and going to her concerts. She might as well record her farts because at this point that will sell as well. 

well all of this is obviously true as well 

[greento]

It's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be for goodness sake 

[The7thStranger]

Much like Taylor's music, it's simply not that deep.

[HeavyMetalAura]

They're trying to expand their viewership because they know that most Swifties are probably watching Fox News instead.

[awesomepossum]

3 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

The real tea is that all her albums since Lover should've been panned

Yup. She hates Scott Borchetta now but when she was signed to Big Machine, her albums were SKIPLESS. Even her deluxe tracks. She hasn't put out a skipless album since then. Lover had some good tracks but it had a lot of skips, too. Her albums have consistently had more and more skips since she left Big Machine. And let's be real most of the vault tracks should have stayed there. 

[chiliam]

18 hours ago, kimberly said:

if you need time to convince yourself you like a piece of media, can it really be great?

 

while I don't think consuming art should be a one-and-done thing, I saved none of the songs on my first run through. I don't think that means it demands time -- it's just plain ole mediocre.

 

to me (and the albums harshest critics) anyway. for the fans that enjoy (which there are many), my opinion or what Metacritic says shouldn't matter... unless it's a factor in why you like this woman's work.

You guys are so funny.

So now art cannot be a grower, you have to love it at 1st sight or nothing? Do you know how dumb that sound?

 

And secondly Swifties are not the one who convince you guys to like the album, we are just like oh you dont like it but this album is a grower, maybe try listen again with lyrics, or you dont want to, ok, so move on, this one is not for you, back to listen to your faves.

 

But you are the one who tried to convince everyone including us the album is bad. Like what type of mentality is that? Theres a lot of people actually enjoy this projects but seem like its an alien concept to some of you lol, you have to ***** and moan in everyone faces your hatred. For what, you dont enjoy it, we get it, why have to be in every thread to care about something you dislike. Hows about spend your time on something you like?

[xxxlamb]

it takes 13 listens to click. TAYLOR her MIND!!!

[Kavish]

I'm one of those people who cannot get into an album on the first listen.  It was the case for eternal sunshine, COWBOY CARTER, and TTPD.  It was the case for the most acclaimed albums of all time.  I've listened to enough music by now to know that I cannot judge an album on the first listen, because a lot of albums that seemed unremarkable on the first listen turned out to be my favourite albums. I think sometimes the brain takes time to register something new and on several listens, it starts to pick up on the differences.

 

I therefore understand why some people might think that all songs on TTPD sounds the same or that the album is bland, but I also understand that unlike other albums, they haven't given it the same amount of time and effort to let it seep into their brain. Ultimately, only people who want to get into TTPD will get it, and those who wanted to negatively criticise it because they're upset at Taylor used their first listen and out-of-context lyrics as confirmation bias to do so.  

 

For the reasons listed, I only value and respect the negative opinion of someone who has listened to an album more than once and who can explain why such production or lyrics were actually bad in context.

[Zaynsus]

The same can be said for any album... But that's always been the problem with critics, they review albums upon release and I wouldn't be surprised if they only listen to the records once then write their paper. But I don't understand why they waited until now to point out the obvious lol.

[jim19911126]

They saw Taylor has been retweeting those positive reviews and now they want that viewership traffic, CNN's intension is so obvious.

[woohoo]

8 hours ago, xxxlamb said:

it takes 13 listens to click. TAYLOR her MIND!!!

I've not liked some songs I've heard on the radio or autoplay on Spotify sometimes for months and then I suddenly start liking it. It's insane to me that in this thread people are going full bird box and acting like they've never seen a song or album grow on people (aka sleeper hits) but then hold everyone eyes open trying to force them to look into the hate. That's why the reviews thread is euphoric for OTH. 

[Patient Zero]

Bullshit.

 

A good album will stand out immediately, or there will be some nice standout tracks as well.

 

TTPD is very dull and a non-event music-wise. It's bare bones to the max, with nothing exciting to offer musically.

 

Imagine having a 31 track album with nothing that stands out. Everyone is only talking about the streams anyway, and not the music. 

[chiliam]

9 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

Bullshit.

 

A good album will stand out immediately, or there will be some nice standout tracks as well.

 

TTPD is very dull and a non-event music-wise. It's bare bones to the max, with nothing exciting to offer musically.

 

Imagine having a 31 track album with nothing that stands out. Everyone is only talking about the streams anyway, and not the music. 

You live up to your user name Patient 0.

Some arts take time, but your impatient head is too dumb too understand that concept.

Where do you think the stream comes from? 

And no one talk about the music... yeah sure but then you yourself go on to write essays about the album. Haha. 🤣🤣

[The Music Industry]

17 hours ago, greento said:

It's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be for goodness sake 

There is genuine criticism that can be made, but a big part of the hatred this album is getting - especially on pop forums like this one - is vastly exaggerated due to copium and bitterness that results from Taylor's dominance in pop culture. It is what it is 

[Arrows]

Some people just have a hard time accepting that other people like something they don't. 

[Patient Zero]

10 minutes ago, chiliam said:

You live up to your user name Patient 0.

Some arts take time, but your impatient head is too dumb too understand that concept.

Where do you think the stream comes from? 

And no one talk about the music... yeah sure but then you yourself go on to write essays about the album. Haha. 🤣🤣

Again...talking about streams when I'm talking about quality?
Her fans would farm stream an album consisting out of Taylor's wet farts, so let's not use streams as a barometer for quality. Let's not go there.

 

There's just nothing about this album that stands out. It's dull and lazy. And no, I won't waste 10 hours trying to "understand the art" That it sells like crazy and has 1 trillion streams doesn't say anything about its quality. Do you remember any BTS chart topping song? Guess not.

 

Music is very subjective anyway. There's a lot of people who just happen to like her music. Doesn't automatically mean they have taste. Twilight, Fast and the Furious, Startbucks etc are/were immense when it comes to popularity. But they're **** to mediocre at best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Music Industry]

37 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

Everyone is only talking about the streams anyway, and not the music. 

Yet here you are, someone who isn't even a fan of hers, talking about... the music. 

 

[Gladiator]

I'm here for critics taking longer to review an album and while I have very strong positive opinions on Tortured Posts Department, if you need to spend time conditioning yourself to like the music then the music is not for you and that is okay.

 

Professional publications however should absolutely spend the time to listen to any body of work more than once or twice before formulating a 'professional' review and publishing it. 

 

Edited April 28 by Gladiator