celeb news CNN: TTPD unfairly criticized; demands time to be fully appreciated

[Gorjesspazze9]

Didn't it come out last Friday 

[SLUTTVFTV]

3 minutes ago, raisetheroof said:

I find many of the comments in this thread quite amusing. Statements on truly great art needing to be universally acclaimed upon release are absolutely farcical.

 

Even disregarding Taylor in this conversation, works of truly great art often require time for appreciation to develop fully. Sometimes, the significance, depth, or innovation of a piece may not be immediately apparent upon its creation or initial reception. This is especially the case when said art does not conform to conventional tastes (by, for example, strating away from traditional pop melodies and hooks). This is common sense, I fear?

 

Take the Mona Lisa, for example, arguably the most famous painting of all time. It wasn't viewed as the pinnacle of Leonardo's artistic achievements during his lifetime, much rather was it thought of as a masterpiece. Only later was the Mona Lisa appreciated for Leonardo's mastery in creating that famous enigmatic smile and sfumato (a color blending technique) as well as the symbolism of the painting.

 

I fear that the reception of this album has, truly, revealed once and for all that ATRL is for the charts, not the arts, when people on this thread attempt - with a straight face - to claim that TRULY great art does not need time to ruminate and appreciate. You will not find a single art scholar who will agree with you.

 

Pick up a book, please.

 

3 minutes ago, raisetheroof said:

I find many of the comments in this thread quite amusing. Statements on truly great art needing to be universally acclaimed upon release are absolutely farcical.

 

Even disregarding Taylor in this conversation, works of truly great art often require time for appreciation to develop fully. Sometimes, the significance, depth, or innovation of a piece may not be immediately apparent upon its creation or initial reception. This is especially the case when said art does not conform to conventional tastes (by, for example, strating away from traditional pop melodies and hooks). This is common sense, I fear?

 

Take the Mona Lisa, for example, arguably the most famous painting of all time. It wasn't viewed as the pinnacle of Leonardo's artistic achievements during his lifetime, much rather was it thought of as a masterpiece. Only later was the Mona Lisa appreciated for Leonardo's mastery in creating that famous enigmatic smile and sfumato (a color blending technique) as well as the symbolism of the painting.

 

I fear that the reception of this album has, truly, revealed once and for all that ATRL is for the charts, not the arts, when people on this thread attempt - with a straight face - to claim that TRULY great art does not need time to ruminate and appreciate. You will not find a single art scholar who will agree with you.

 

Pick up a book, please.

 

3 minutes ago, raisetheroof said:

I find many of the comments in this thread quite amusing. Statements on truly great art needing to be universally acclaimed upon release are absolutely farcical.

 

Even disregarding Taylor in this conversation, works of truly great art often require time for appreciation to develop fully. Sometimes, the significance, depth, or innovation of a piece may not be immediately apparent upon its creation or initial reception. This is especially the case when said art does not conform to conventional tastes (by, for example, strating away from traditional pop melodies and hooks). This is common sense, I fear?

 

Take the Mona Lisa, for example, arguably the most famous painting of all time. It wasn't viewed as the pinnacle of Leonardo's artistic achievements during his lifetime, much rather was it thought of as a masterpiece. Only later was the Mona Lisa appreciated for Leonardo's mastery in creating that famous enigmatic smile and sfumato (a color blending technique) as well as the symbolism of the painting.

 

I fear that the reception of this album has, truly, revealed once and for all that ATRL is for the charts, not the arts, when people on this thread attempt - with a straight face - to claim that TRULY great art does not need time to ruminate and appreciate. You will not find a single art scholar who will agree with you.

 

Pick up a book, please.

 

3 minutes ago, raisetheroof said:

I find many of the comments in this thread quite amusing. Statements on truly great art needing to be universally acclaimed upon release are absolutely farcical.

 

Even disregarding Taylor in this conversation, works of truly great art often require time for appreciation to develop fully. Sometimes, the significance, depth, or innovation of a piece may not be immediately apparent upon its creation or initial reception. This is especially the case when said art does not conform to conventional tastes (by, for example, straying away from traditional pop melodies and hooks). This is common sense, I fear?

 

Take the Mona Lisa, for example, arguably the most famous painting of all time. It wasn't viewed as the pinnacle of Leonardo's artistic achievements during his lifetime, much rather was it thought of as a masterpiece. Only later was the Mona Lisa appreciated for Leonardo's mastery in creating that famous enigmatic smile and sfumato (a color blending technique) as well as the symbolism of the painting.

 

I fear that the reception of this album has, truly, revealed once and for all that ATRL is for the charts, not the arts, when people on this thread attempt - with a straight face - to claim that TRULY great art does not need time to ruminate and appreciate. You will not find a single art scholar who will agree with you.

 

Pick up a book, please.

not your ai-generated comment post spamming a million times ijbol 

Edited April 27 by SLUTTVFTV

[Saintlor]

5 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

.. correct. Things are often polarizing initially that then retroactively garner acclaim and recognition once the tides of time turn in its favor. It's not a foreign concept to any form of art, media, entertainment, or consumption. And we are trying to tell yall that is highly likely to be the case with this album that is currently living in the shadow of Taylor's celebrity. Once her star loses a bit of its shine, this album will have its chance to bask in the sunlight. But for now she is doomed to be a misunderstood and misjudged project! 

Even as a stan, I went into this album expecting my mind to be immediately blown away by every track considering how huge she is now and it's her first album since all of the Eras Tour hype and her peak.

 

I was really disappointed by the album.

 

Now after I've had the chance to give it a lot of listens now that the release-hype for me is gone and get used to the album I love it.

[TaggedGalaxy]

This is the case with most long albums, especially when it's sonically cohesive. It's impossible to digest and appreciate an album like this in one and your first sitting. I'm still now coming around to having certain songs finally hitting.

[By the Water]

It's a 31 song album. There's no way to fully digest it that quickly. Any early verdict, positive or negative, felt rushed

[Selfloathingpoet]

"TTPD unfairly criticized; demands time to be fully appreciated" girl, I don't feel like I'm going to love the lyrics "Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist" now or later or ever.

that being the least cringe-worthy lyrics.

Edited April 27 by Selfloathingpoet

[raisetheroof]

Just now, SLUTTVFTV said:

 

 

 

not your ai-generated comment post spamming a million times ijbol 

It seemed like my comment wasn't going through after pressing the 'Submit Reply' button multiple times, apologies for the accidental spamming

 

 

However, some people participating in these conversations actually know a thing or two about art history and, where I can, I try to provide this context for ATRL stans where it is desperately needed. If you're intimidated by education, just say that.

 

My original point still stands.

[SLUTTVFTV]

ugh why can't we just let people have OPINIONS. i love the album, but i'm not going to shove it down anyone's throat, i understand it's not everyone's jam. 

and this also goes for people who are making fun of others for liking the album 

 i also hate that ttpd is being defended more than anything, why do we all suddenly have to enjoy an album? 

[brazil]

The fact that they write these articles using Swifities talking points so they can get then to share and have views on the articlesn

[pisuke]

This is so embarrassing CNN... And also some of you acting like this album is more than just a bunch of bland and mediocre songs written with the mentality of a 3 year-old child.

[Nicholai]

1 minute ago, pisuke said:

This is so embarrassing CNN... And also some of you acting like this album is more than just a bunch of bland and mediocre songs written with the mentality of a 3 year-old child.

Exactly.

 

And they are just talking about the lyrics because they know the melodies and production are lacking.

[Misguided Ghost]

Media need to stop pretending that Taylor Swift's music is anything more than cringe lyrics catered to teens and repetitive melodies. Let people enjoy it and also let people dislike it, but stop forcing this narrative of some deep music that is incomprehensible to an average person, because it's really the opposite.

Edited April 27 by Misguided Ghost

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Nicholai said:

Exactly.

 

And they are just talking about the lyrics because they know the melodies and production are lacking.

The melodies in "I Hate It Here" and "The Bolter" are godly and I'm sorry yall don't notice those kinds of gems on the album, but I'm glad I get to enjoy them. 

[eli's_rhythm]

4 hours ago, cuteboyzay said:

Or maybe it's a lackluster album and she should do what every artist does and take the criticism, and use that as advantage to make an even BETTER piece of art the next time? Possibly maybe even her best ever.

 

Some Swifties and pieces of media don't realize this rhetoric is what's holding Taylor BACK. It's not helping her in any sort of way.
 

Like what's wrong with constructive criticism??? She's an artist, it's her literal job lmaooo! 

Most of the criticism I've seen of this album has been in bad faith from people who were prepared to write it (and her) off immediately. From people foaming at the mouth to pounce on any sign of weakness or creative stagnation from her. 90% of it has been people who look at the 3 viral cringey lyrics and hear the first few Jack songs and go "nothing new, she's washed, NEXT!"
 

When in reality there is a significant amount of sonic exploration on this album. She's engaging with country and western styles in new ways, it's the most ballad-heavy album of her career, the lyrical connections across the project are crazy, and she's tapped into a new level of darkness and restlessness we've never seen from her before. I understand wanting her to work with new producers, I do too. But to listen to this album once and write it off is truly missing the bigger picture. It's a big, ambitious musical journey that demands and rewards repeat listens.

[raisetheroof]

1 minute ago, eli's_rhythm said:

Most of the criticism I've seen of this album has been in bad faith from people who were prepared to write it (and her) off immediately. From people foaming at the mouth to pounce on any sign of weakness or creative stagnation from her. 90% of it has been people who look at the 3 viral cringey lyrics and hear the first few Jack songs and go "nothing new, she's washed, NEXT!"
 

When in reality there is a significant amount of sonic exploration on this album. She's engaging with country and western styles in new ways, it's the most ballad-heavy album of her career, the lyrical connections across the project are crazy, and she's tapped into a new level of darkness and restlessness we've never seen from her before. I understand wanting her to work with new producers, I do too. But to listen to this album once and write it off is truly missing the bigger picture. It's a big, ambitious musical journey that demands and rewards repeat listens.

Couldn't have written it better

[PoisonedIvy]

22 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Didn't it come out last Friday 

Ah yes, no need for retrospective reviews at the end of the year or the end of the decade. we only need 7 days to make up our minds about things and never change them or evolve our perception of art ever again! 

[eleganceislearned]

Not them literally serving this

 

 

[ericcartman]

No lies detected 

[Karla Cabello]

[ttsmu]

 

[JO1s]

6 hours ago, Kern said:

they are 100% right. This is not Dua Lipa, you actually need time to let the music grow on you

You don't let rashes grow on you, you treat them quickly.

[Sugar-Rush]

Did they also demand time for other criticized albums to be appreciated or are they only defending this one because it guarantees them some clicks? Is TTPD even panned to begin with?

[suburbannature]

Here come the puff pieces 

[Redstreak]

Honestly it explains the streaming numbers despite the early reviews. When you're over the top and act like it's the worst album ever and people listen and it's obviously not, it makes it liked just that much more

[thequeenofpopmadonna]

7 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

Did they also demand time for other criticized albums to be appreciated or are they only defending this one because it guarantees them some clicks? Is TTPD even panned to begin with?

Exactly. They never cared about other artists nor flopping albums. 

Another proof her pr team paid for this piece of **** to give her any kind of privilege or better treatment. 

Edited April 27 by thequeenofpopmadonna