celeb news CNN: TTPD unfairly criticized; demands time to be fully appreciated

[RideOrDie]

2 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

Tunnel was not panned  it "only" got 80 on Meta because there were no paid for 100s. Majority of the reviews are positive. Pitchfork gave it 8.3 which is nowhere near panned

it's the same score as blue banisters which is widely considered it as one of her worst albums, i'm just having a laugh with 'panned' but all i'm saying is there was a discrepancy between its reception on arrival and retrospective acclaim, most of the critics did not "get it" on first listen due to how stream of consciousness, unfiltered, unedited it was and those were the main criticisms that they gave it. 

 

suddenly end of year it is ranked #3 best album of 2023 after caroline's desire (94 metacritic) and boygenius (90 metacritic), you put an album with a metacritic score of 80 after two 90 scored albums... if that doesn't prove to you that critics just didn't get it that much when they first heard it, idk what to say  taylor will experience a similar fate i fear... 

[Asscatchem]

if music can grow in u then music can wither for you. some who impulse stanned from day 1 may start realizing

[pimmelfratze]

Yet it's being pumped out like fast food 

[Solaria]

Me talking about Diamonds & Dancefloors

[Velvet Night]

Yep, I agree. It takes a couple of listens to fully appreciate the album. I liked it from the beginning but the more I listen to it the more I love it. After a week I can personally say, I think it's one of her best albums. It's certainly her most raw and lyrically interesting and the production really rewards repeat listens with a good pair of headphones. 

[PoisonedIvy]

42 minutes ago, Mate said:

 

 

TTPD is just a boring album (not bad, boring). And the problem is not in the audience or in the critics (although I believe that many were not objective and they evaluated Taylor Swift more than the album itself). The problem is that the lyrics are very often at the high school level, the melodies are repetitive, the production is monotonous and the vocal performance is flat.

 

 

I'm not really down for a full blown debate but "high school level lyrics" is outrageous when you look at the lyrics to The Albatross, How Did It End?, The Prophecy, Cassandra, Peter, The Bolter, The Manuscript… 

 

A few excerpts.

 

Quote

If the glint in my eye traced the depths of your sigh
Down that passage in time back to the moment
I crashed into you, like so many wrecks do
Too impaired by my youth to know what to do

So if I sell my apartment
And you have some kids with an internet starlet
Will that make your memory fade from this scarlet maroon?
Like it never happened
Could it be enough to just float in your orbit?
Can we watch our phantoms like watching wild horses?
Cooler in theory, but not if you force it to be
It just didn't happen

 

Quote

We were blind to unforeseen circumstances
We learned thе right steps to different dancеs
And fell victim to interlopers' glances
Lost the game of chance, what are the chances?
Soon, they'll go home to their husbands
Smug 'cause they know they can trust him
Then feverishly calling their cousins

Quote

By all accounts, she almost drowned
When she was six in frigid water
And I can confirm she made
A curious child, ever reviled
By everyone except her own father
With a quite bewitching face
Splendidly selfish, charmingly helpless
Excellent fun 'til you get to know her
Then she runs like it's a race
Behind her back, her best mates laughed
And they nicknamed her "The Bolter"

None of these are lyrically or thematically childish. These are very well written lyrics that come from a mature, experienced, and introspective author. 

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[Shelter]

3 hours ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

Swift's new work demands more time to fully absorb. It cannot be assessed in an instant. It's not fast-food. It's a multi-course meal that stipulates the person sit, with undivided attention, and focus on what is before them. Absorb the smells and the different ingredients designed to stimulate the palate. And then, take time to digest and really ruminate on the experience.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/26/entertainment/taylor-swift-album-quick-to-judge/index.html

 

Made me think of Sputnik's review "The Tortured Tummy Defartment"

 

[bluebirdsforever]

2 hours ago, Bey'Knight said:

Why? Everyone else's album is reviewed upon release. 

Well, yes, but you just tapped into what is inherently wrong with a lot of music criticism these days in the first place.

 

I have no comment on this article itself, but the speed of our news cycle now leaving reviewers no choice but to consume entire albums in the space of a few hours with no sleep to have an article ready for publication by 6am the next morning is absolutely destroying the potential for more genuine nuance in their responses. You can't lambast the culture that has led to Rolling Stone handing out clickbait 100/100 "instant classic" labels to every new album that releases without also lambasting how that same culture is the root of hot-take negativity being posted in place of genuine critique within hours of a 31-song album dropping. It usually takes a few weeks (and sometimes months) before the genuinely insightful and fascinating cultural criticism around new music and films is posted online - and it is usually completely ignored because by that point everyone has already made up their mind about the project and moved onto the next thing.

Yes, "Taylor's music has no depth and isn't hard to digest" bla bla bla, but there is a lot of fascinating lyrical insight hidden in this album about how the biggest pop star on earth views herself and her celebrity - but you have to look past all the low quality Genius screenshots and viral tweets about Charlie Pluth to find it.

[Last Boy on Earth]

Not acting like Taylor is making Arca like music that is hard to digest you crazy fans and these publications are a kiii

 

 

 

[StayFrosty]

sunk-cost fallacy

noun

 

1. the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial

[ThousandMiles]

As a TTPD hater, I can say I discovered "I Hate It Here" today, and she is a cute gworlll I must say..

 

 

Maybe they're correct! 

[ThousandMiles]

[Album Leak]

Why doesn't this same '' needs time to be fully appreciated '' nonsense apply to every other album by other artists as well? Why does Taylor Swift get the royal treatment? I call bs.

[terrorblade]

not cnn

[mercurialworld]

Please  if a meal is good, it's good on the first bite or sip. No need to force yourself.

[Virgos Groove]

It's been one (1) week.

[Saintlor]

6 minutes ago, mercurialworld said:

Please  if a meal is good, it's good on the /first bite or sip. No need to force yourself.

Have you not ever heard of the phrase acquired taste?

[mercurialworld]

1 minute ago, Saintlor said:

Have you not ever heard of the phrase acquired taste?

Yeah, like not many people enjoy caviar (Charli XCX - Pop 2) on the first listen/taste

[PoisonedIvy]

2 minutes ago, mercurialworld said:

Yeah, like not many people enjoy caviar (Charli XCX - Pop 2) on the first listen/taste

.. correct. Things are often polarizing initially that then retroactively garner acclaim and recognition once the tides of time turn in its favor. It's not a foreign concept to any form of art, media, entertainment, or consumption. And we are trying to tell yall that is highly likely to be the case with this album that is currently living in the shadow of Taylor's celebrity. Once her star loses a bit of its shine, this album will have its chance to bask in the sunlight. But for now she is doomed to be a misunderstood and misjudged project! 

[mercurialworld]

Just now, PoisonedIvy said:

.. correct. Things are often polarizing initially that then retroactively garner acclaim and recognition once the tides of time turn in its favor. It's not a foreign concept to any form of art, media, entertainment, or consumption. And we are trying to tell yall that is highly likely to be the case with this album that is currently living in the shadow of Taylor's celebrity. Once her star loses a bit of its shine, this album will have its chance to bask in the sunlight. But for now she is doomed to be a misunderstood and misjudged project! 

Maybe you guys are right! Maybe TTPD is Caviar as well, but a different type. Like Lumpfish or something!

[iamanearthling]

We been knew. They will start flipping soon. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[raisetheroof]

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[raisetheroof]

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[raisetheroof]

I find many of the comments in this thread quite amusing. Statements on truly great art needing to be universally acclaimed upon release are absolutely farcical.

 

Even disregarding Taylor in this conversation, works of truly great art often require time for appreciation to develop fully. Sometimes, the significance, depth, or innovation of a piece may not be immediately apparent upon its creation or initial reception. This is especially the case when said art does not conform to conventional tastes (by, for example, straying away from traditional pop melodies and hooks). This is common sense, I fear?

 

Take the Mona Lisa, for example, arguably the most famous painting of all time. It wasn't viewed as the pinnacle of Leonardo's artistic achievements during his lifetime, much rather was it thought of as a masterpiece. Only later was the Mona Lisa appreciated for Leonardo's mastery in creating that famous enigmatic smile and sfumato (a color blending technique) as well as the symbolism of the painting.

 

I fear that the reception of this album has, truly, revealed once and for all that ATRL is for the charts, not the arts, when people on this thread attempt - with a straight face - to claim that TRULY great art does not need time to ruminate and appreciate. You will not find a single art scholar who will agree with you.

 

Pick up a book, please.

Edited April 27 by raisetheroof