artist stats HDD: Taylor 200m+ units. 40m -1989 ,20m+ 4 albums, Mid 17m

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, vale9001 said:

Yes only albums. With the songs Sales should be at around 450M

Those song sales are already included in the 200M number.

[vale9001]

Just now, Feanor said:

Those song sales are already included in the 200M number.

 

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[Feanor]

1 minute ago, vale9001 said:

 

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The 200M number is album SPS. It includes pure album sales, pure song sales (TEA) and streams/views (SEA).

She did not sell 200M in pure album sales.

 

Edited April 22 by Feanor

[vale9001]

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

The 200M number is album SPS. It includes pure album sales, pure song sales (TEA) and streams/views (SEA).

She did not sell 200M in pure album sales.

 

Of course It's not all pure sales. Sales are not counted like that anymore. I already stayed It on another comment with an another user. 

 

But the counting of Song Sales Is another thing. What are you responding me about?

 

The streams of a Song are translated into Sales for the albums but that's a different data  from the Sales of a Song separated from the album. Fearless has sold 20M SPS but love story has sold alone at least 15m, YBTM 10m etc..

 

 

[Bonicap]

But... but... Chartmasters?

[JorgeM]

7 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Of course It's not all pure sales. Sales are not counted like that anymore. I already stayed It on another comment with an another user. 

 

But the counting of Song Sales Is another thing. What are you responding me about?

 

The streams of a Song are translated into Sales for the albums but that's a different data  from the Sales of a Song separated from the album. Fearless has sold 20M SPS but love story has sold alone at least 15m, YBTM 10m etc..

 

 

The need of remark the obvious. Aren't we in a obsessed chart place? People should already know that 

[vale9001]

2 minutes ago, JorgeM said:

The need of remark the obvious. Aren't we in a obsessed chart place? People should already know that 

She has sold 250-300m range singles + songs. So the career total Is 450-500

[liquiddiamonds]

but that BrandNewBrandon user said 1989 was not touching The Fame Monster 

[Taylor fanboy]

Taylor's best album REPUTATION

 

Hate train

Poor promo

No bonus tracks

Last album with #that man and label

 

OH puta's second fanbase don't make that face!

 

 

[UnusualBoy]

54 minutes ago, bjorn said:

More than 21 

Not yet, 21 is at 52.5 million according to CM.

[JorgeM]

41 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

She has sold 250-300m range singles + songs. So the career total Is 450-500

I know I know, my comment wasn't against you, I was saying that the post and your comment were clear enough that I was surprised you need to explain it 

[Romova99]

1 hour ago, vale9001 said:

Yes only albums. With the songs Sales should be at around 450M

Oh wow, it's so sad it's so close to outsell Madonna...

[vale9001]

Just now, Romova99 said:

Oh wow, it's so sad it's so close to outsell Madonna...

 

They should be at around the same. Madonna 250M albums and around 200M songs 

 

Anyways Rihanna shouldn't be away from them too. Should be at 100M albums and 300M songs.

[byzantium]

2 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

You mean to tell me that 1989 has almost matched Thriller in sales?

If by "almost" you mean, "not even halfway there", then yes. 

[Rico Shameless v2]

Rep TV coming for her second 2m+ debut iktr  

[dumbsparce]

28 minutes ago, byzantium said:

If by "almost" you mean, "not even halfway there", then yes. 

Does RIAA retroactively add units to albums released before the SPS era? I don't doubt that Thriller is at almost 100 million, I just legit have no clue how certifications work for albums released before streaming took off.

[NoName]

2 hours ago, bjorn said:

More than 21 

No. Adele's 21 is over 50 million. It's more like 60 million and it's ONE version, not a re-release added. 

 

2 hours ago, vale9001 said:

@Squallanyways you should clarify the thread Is about album Sales.

Cause some fanbases have titles about 250m Total Sales for example but of course that includes 80% of singles Sales 

But the performances of Taylor's singles are added into the overall total units for 1989 and the performance of Cruel Summer is added into Lover's overall units and the performance of Anti-Hero is added into Midnights and so on. So it's fair to add single sales from a time when most people bought singles into total units just like it's fair to add total streams of individual singles into overall units in the streaming era. 

[vale9001]

8 minutes ago, NoName said:

No. Adele's 21 is over 50 million. It's more like 60 million and it's ONE version, not a re-release added. 

 

But the performances of Taylor's singles are added into the overall total units for 1989 and the performance of Cruel Summer is added into Lover's overall units and the performance of Anti-Hero is added into Midnights and so on. So it's fair to add single sales from a time when most people bought singles into total units just like it's fair to add total streams of individual singles into overall units in the streaming era. 

The performance of everyone singles are added, not only Taylors.

 

Yes It's Fair, i don't make the rules. Are you saying we don't have to count 10M pure Sales of love story as records sold cause riaa converted this into i don't know 100k more Sales for the album?.

 

I think from always this kind of rules of converting singles Sales on album sales are trash but they are what they are. Still an artist has albums sold + singles and songs sold and will always be separated categories.

 

Anyways the rules are the same for everyone (of course every artist has some advantage or disvantage given by his specific era of debut or peak) so It's the same way to compete for everyone. 

Edited April 22 by vale9001

[NoName]

59 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

 

They should be at around the same. Madonna 250M albums and around 200M songs 

 

Anyways Rihanna shouldn't be away from them too. Should be at 100M albums and 300M songs.

Madonna's album sales are mostly only album sales + additional single sales. Taylor's sales are album sales consisting of the performance of her singles and those singles are factored in again into her single sales as well so you get the same singles factored both into Taylor's overall album sales and into her overall single sales. 

 

Rihanna's and Madonna's sales are mostly consisting of album + singles, while Taylor's post-2014 releases are composed of album sales (in which singles are counted) + single sales. It would be like adding another 20 million into Madonna's True Blue units which would put it at 50 million and then adding those 20 million single sales afterwards again. But we aren't doing that, are we? 

[NoName]

6 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

The performance of everyone singles are added, not only Taylors.

Madonna's songs and the units from streaming will never be able to get the same equivalent units as songs from the streaming era by default.

 

It's like doing this in the movie business. Anyone But You's streaming units (hypothetically, of course) would be getting more units than a movie like Pretty Woman and unadjusted would be a bigger hit even though we know Pretty Woman was bigger.   

[vale9001]

Just now, NoName said:

Madonna's songs and the units from streaming will never be able to get the same equivalent units as songs from the streaming era by default.

 

It's like doing this in the movie business. Anyone But You's streaming units (hypothetically, of course) would be getting more units than a movie like Pretty Woman and unadjusted would be a bigger hit even though we know Pretty Woman was bigger.   

And Taylor pure album Sales from 2008 to 2017 will never able to manage 80s or 90s pure album sales. 

As I said every era has advantages and disvantages. Things kinda self compensate. 

 

 

 

[byzantium]

38 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

Does RIAA retroactively add units to albums released before the SPS era? I don't doubt that Thriller is at almost 100 million, I just legit have no clue how certifications work for albums released before streaming took off.

An album is eligible for a certification whenever it has enough units for that certification.  So units prior to rule changes are eligible but they would need to re-certify.  

[dumbsparce]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

An album is eligible for a certification whenever it has enough units for that certification.  So units prior to rule changes are eligible but they would need to re-certify.  

Oh wow. So does that mean that, for example, physical singles sold in the 90s can contribute to an album's certification in 2024?

[byzantium]

3 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

Oh wow. So does that mean that, for example, physical singles sold in the 90s can contribute to an album's certification in 2024?

I think so, but it was last certified in 2021 so that would already be accounted for. 

[NoName]

17 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

And Taylor pure album Sales from 2008 to 2017 will never able to manage 80s or 90s pure album sales. 

As I said every era has advantages and disvantages. Things kinda self compensate. 

 

 

 

Adele managed to surpass sales from the 80s and 90s though. Back-to-back. So it isn't impossible. The thing is the streaming era has the options of buying an album or song physically or digitally and then getting units from streaming it as well and a large devoted fanbase will be doing all those things. Madonna lived at a time when people bought physical copies of albums and songs but that devotion continues to this day. Of course, less people will buy an album or single nowadays so they will instead opt to stream it but that also includes curiosity listens and those would NOT have paid for an album or single in the 80s or 90s.