charts discussion Billboard: TTPD sold 1.4M pure sales first day in the US

[Kitboga]

6 minutes ago, Cockney Cupcake said:

there was zero mention of revenue lol I clearly said I was comparing the digital to the cds price not the vinyl… anyways 

Anyways we're both chillin'. I was just a slightly shocked by how some Taylor fans were arguing against Taylor's numbers while ignoring other contexts is all. 

Edited April 21 by Kitboga

[Carrie-is-no-1]

51 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

while you as a as non Taylor fan (I assume?) are able to understand this change in the music market compared to 10 years ago.

Been a fan since Tim McGraw day actually (you can tell I'm a country music listener based on my avatar ) but I didn't enjoy both midnights and ttpd unfortunately. 

[NoName]

20 hours ago, RobynYoBank said:

People will complain about desperation forgetting that her 1 million vinyls are 4x as expensive as Adele and NSYNC's CDs. 

 

20 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

Suddenly I kind of want a Billboard revenue chart 

 

18 hours ago, Gaia said:

Not Swifties trying to belittle Adele's monstrous 25 when it ALSO came out on the streaming era which started in 2014. She also did so without the vinyls being trendy yet or having multiple variants. No sorry, Adele's is still more impressive.

 

Adele is the only artist to sell more than 1M digital sales of a song in a week and the only artist to hit 3M+ album units in a week for a reason. No amount of delusional Swiftie logic will change those historic feats. 

 

20 hours ago, Kitboga said:

I guess there's a shot for the record, if we apply a bit of hopium… : 

 

midnights first day physicals were 620k, and ended with 1.14M physicals first week. That's a 1.83x multiplier from 1st day to 1st week. 
 

if we apply that 1.83x multiplier to TTPD: 

1.4M x 1.83 = 2.56M, then + 600K SEAs = 3.16M   
 

so depending on the boost from record store day sales and some potential tricks that she should totally use, it's not impossible..

Taylor's number factors in both causal music listeners and non-fans/curiosity streams. In a 2015 state it's highly doubtful that the haters on here or the casual by-goers would BUY her album. You forget that those 2 million of Taylor's units not only have multiple variants factored in but also a large chunk of people who wouldn't pay anything to listen to her album. Adele had over 3 million paying customers but there were many people that would've probably listened to it out of curiosity for free that were not counted. Taylor's 2 million while huge and impressive cannot be compared. Especially to Adele who had one variant that was purchased by over 3 million people and Taylor's latest is getting close to that number but with multiple variants and curiosity streams.

 

Every hater of a pop girl is basically helping her sales these days whereas in 2015 with Adele's album even as a hater you would not do squad for her album units.   

Edited April 22 by NoName

[Kitboga]

8 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

 

 

Taylor's number factors in both causal music listeners and non-fans/curiosity streams. In a 2015 state it's highly doubtful that the haters on here or the casual by-goers would BUY her album. You forget that those 2 million of Taylor's units not only have multiple variants factored in but also a large chunk of people who wouldn't pay anything to listen to her album. Adele had over 3 million paying customers but there were many people that would've probably listened to it out of curiosity for free that were not counted. Taylor's 2 million while huge and impressive cannot be compared. Especially to Adele who had one variant that was purchased by over 3 million people and Taylor's latest is getting close to that number but with multiple variants and curiosity streams.

 

Every hater of a pop girl is basically helping her sales these days whereas in 2015 with Adele's album even as a hater you would not do squad for her album units.   

Broski, you know all the "hate-streams" you're trying to make happen are classified under SEAs (streaming-equivalent-albums), and not counted under sales, right? 
 

Taylor will do 2m physical sales regardless of streams. Your argument fails completely. 

Edited April 22 by Kitboga

[NoName]

1 minute ago, Kitboga said:

Broski, you know all the "hate-streams" you're trying to make happen are classified under SEAs (streaming-equivalent-albums), and not counted under sales, right? 
 

Taylor will do 2m physical sales regardless of streams. Your argument fails completely. 

Yes but the overall first week sales is what I was referring to. Even if Taylor manages to have a 3+ million first week it's with multiple variants and curiosity streams from a large chunk of people for FREE which is just not as impressive as Adele having 3+ million paying customers with only one variant. 

[bluemoonstar]

She's definitely found all 7 dragon balls 

[Orsay]

I fear she's coming for Adele ugh

[Kitboga]

19 minutes ago, NoName said:

Yes but the overall first week sales is what I was referring to. Even if Taylor manages to have a 3+ million first week it's with multiple variants and curiosity streams from a large chunk of people for FREE which is just not as impressive as Adele having 3+ million paying customers with only one variant. 

Firstly, more than half of Adele's 3m figure came out of iTunes downloads. It's not even people going to the store or paying for CDs to be shipped to their homes. It's just $10 digital versions. Whereas most of Taylor's physical sales will be $45 vinyls. 

 

secondly, 2024's sales market is like 1/4x the size of 2015's.  Given the drastic reduction of the market, selling 2m in 2024 is arguably comparable to or more impressive than selling 3m in 2015. I'm not arguing for this, just merely point out the difference. 
 

 

thirdly, you do realize it takes 15000 streams to generate 1 streaming sales, right? That's why even with that gargantuan 140M US spotify streams yesterday, that only translated to 200k Streaming sales. It's not an easy task translating streams into sizable sales.  Certainly not Adele, shes only got 150k streams for the whole week for "30". 

Edited April 22 by Kitboga

[NoName]

6 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Firstly, more than half of Adele's 3m figure came out of iTunes downloads. It's not even people going to the store or paying for CDs to be shipped to their homes. It's just $10 digital versions. Whereas most of Taylor's physical sales will be $45 vinyls. 

 

secondly, 2024's sales market is like 1/4x the size of 2015's.  Given the drastic reduction of the market, selling 2m in 2024 is arguably comparable to or more impressive than selling 3m in 2015. I'm not arguing for this, just merely point out the difference. 
 

 

thirdly, you do realize it takes 15000 streams to generate 1 streaming sales, right? That's why even with that gargantuan 140M US spotify streams yesterday, that only translated to 200k Streaming sales. It's not an easy task translating streams into sizable sales.  Certainly not Adele, shes only got 150k streams for the whole week for "30". 

No. That's not correct. Album sales in 2015 were at 118 million in the US, while album sales in 2023 were at 105 million. 

 

When Adele did 3 million in one week she did that during a time where the best-selling albums of the year did a little over 1 million all in all (Justin Bieber's Purpose, the third best-selling album of the year, did 1.3 million). Adele sold more than TWICE of any album's TOTAL sales in 2015 in her first week. Album sales were in the complete gutter in 2015 similarly to what they are now. 

[feelslikeadream]

Thank you Guilty as Sin? and So High School

[Ger.vaz]

6 hours ago, NoName said:

No. That's not correct. Album sales in 2015 were at 118 million in the US, while album sales in 2023 were at 105 million. 

 

When Adele did 3 million in one week she did that during a time where the best-selling albums of the year did a little over 1 million all in all (Justin Bieber's Purpose, the third best-selling album of the year, did 1.3 million). Adele sold more than TWICE of any album's TOTAL sales in 2015 in her first week. Album sales were in the complete gutter in 2015 similarly to what they are now. 

Source? Album sales in 2015 were at 205 million in the USA (physical and digital) and in 2023 were at 105 million. 

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/thanks-adele-us-physical-album-sales-went-up-in-2015-as-market-held-firm/

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/2023-us-year-end-music-report-luminate-top-album-morgan-wallen-taylor-swift-1235579214/

[ithinkheknowsoutsold]

7 hours ago, NoName said:

Album sales in 2015 were at 118 million in the US

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In 2015, 241 million albums were sold: 126 million of which were CDs and 103 million digital.

Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2016/01/06/year-end-music-report-nielsen-adele-25/78360870/

[kyris89]

How tf she still sells like this? 😯 illuminati queen

[wastedpotential]

The new update was still not especially clear on whether or not they are tracking her site's sales 

 

Does "in addition" in 

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That figure is inclusive of both over-the-counter and download purchases of The Tortured Poets Department made April 19-21, in addition to a likely large number of pre-orders of the album through Internet retailers that were shipped to customers for arrival on release day.

mean that the 1.5 figure includes OTC sales and downloads AND a "likely large number of pre-orders of the album through internet retailers?" or the 1.5 is "inclusive of both OTC sales and downloads" plus internet pre-orders that are not included? 

 

Edited April 22 by wastedpotential

[fridayteenage]

15 hours ago, Ger.vaz said:

Source? Album sales in 2015 were at 205 million in the USA (physical and digital) and in 2023 were at 105 million. 

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/thanks-adele-us-physical-album-sales-went-up-in-2015-as-market-held-firm/

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/2023-us-year-end-music-report-luminate-top-album-morgan-wallen-taylor-swift-1235579214/

Idk, is bb as reputable as some atrl.net user trying to downplay Taylor 

[Kyle-x]

18 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

The new update was still not especially clear on whether or not they are tracking her site's sales 

 

Does "in addition" in 

mean that the 1.5 figure includes OTC sales and downloads AND a "likely large number of pre-orders of the album through internet retailers?" or the 1.5 is "inclusive of both OTC sales and downloads" plus internet pre-orders that are not included? 

 

Sis you're living for the hope of it all

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Kyle-x said:

Sis you're living for the hope of it all

Well I'm behind the mall with an extra million copies 

[TROPICUM]

21 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

The new update was still not especially clear on whether or not they are tracking her site's sales 

 

Does "in addition" in 

mean that the 1.5 figure includes OTC sales and downloads AND a "likely large number of pre-orders of the album through internet retailers?" or the 1.5 is "inclusive of both OTC sales and downloads" plus internet pre-orders that are not included? 

 

the gag is she already passed 2.2m sales

 

 

taylor's team changed the plan up ever since 1989 TV... they won't release the data until the last second of saturday

 

[NoName]

On 4/22/2024 at 10:12 AM, Ger.vaz said:

Source? Album sales in 2015 were at 205 million in the USA (physical and digital) and in 2023 were at 105 million. 

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/thanks-adele-us-physical-album-sales-went-up-in-2015-as-market-held-firm/

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/2023-us-year-end-music-report-luminate-top-album-morgan-wallen-taylor-swift-1235579214/

Hmm. You're probably right with that then. I got mine from https://www.statista.com/statistics/188926/current-versus-catalog-overall-album-sales-in-the-us-2010/ 

 

However, in terms of overall consumption album equivalent units in 2023 were at 1.097 billion vs. overall consumption in 2015 being at 205 million in the US. 

Edited April 23 by NoName

[NoName]

On 4/23/2024 at 1:51 AM, fridayteenage said:

Idk, is bb as reputable as some atrl.net user trying to downplay Taylor 

Well, album equivalent units in 2023 were at 1.097 billion and they are higher than overall album units in 2015 and since Taylor's first week is in equivalent units and they have overall bigger consumption it should've been easier for her to claim Adele's record. Yet she's not. 

 

I still don't get the problem. Is being second that bad for ya'll? 

 

[cat1867]

24 minutes ago, NoName said:

Hmm. You're probably right with that then. I got mine from https://www.statista.com/statistics/188926/current-versus-catalog-overall-album-sales-in-the-us-2010/ 

 

However, in terms of overall consumption album equivalent units in 2023 were at 1.097 billion vs. overall consumption in 2015 being at 205 million in the US. 

The big difference is that back catalogue  consumption has increased significantly while new albums have suffered.  The average # of units required to top billboard 200 has decreased which makes it tricky to make comparison between eras.

 

Anyway, 25's huge debut week overshadows some of Adele's other ridiculous achievements. For example, 21 was billboard's most successful album of all time.

 

[Kitboga]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

Well, album equivalent units in 2023 were at 1.097 billion and they are higher than overall album units in 2015 and since Taylor's first week is in equivalent units and they have overall bigger consumption it should've been easier for her to claim Adele's record. Yet she's not. 

 

I still don't get the problem. Is being second that bad for ya'll? 

 

Youre being so purposely disingenuous: 

you're trying to say Taylor should be able to overtake that that bloated iTunes-driven record, because streaming sales in 2023 was bigger than cd+itunes sales in 2015? 
 

You do realize it takes 15000 streams to translate into one single CD sales right? Which means, according to your words and logic, that taylor should *easily* be able to generate more SEA units than 25's physicals, which when u translate that into Math: 15,000 streams x 3,38M units = 50Billion streams in the the US, first week alone? Get the hell outta here. 
 

Even 2022's midnights had 8Millon US Spotify listeners for its debut day. So if midnights was release in 2014, and given Taylor's current popularity, audience size and frenzy, she'd easily be able to reach similar to 25's sales since they'd be buying iTunes at that time. 
 

You're just hiding behind the fact that 99.9% of music listeners today wouldn't spend money on something they could get for free. 
 

anyhow. TTPD was already reported to have 1.8M physical sales with 3 more days to go. That's more physical than 25 already so I consider TTPD's figure to be more impressive than 25's. Let's not even mention the 10s of millions of listeners it takes to generate the record 900M streams TTPD is projected to achieve, which is obviously more impressive than 25's itunes sales record. 

 

Edited April 24 by Kitboga

[NoName]

3 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

you're trying to say Taylor should be able to overtake that that bloated iTunes-driven record, because streaming sales in 2023 was bigger than cd+itunes sales in 2015? 

 

TTPD was already reported to have 1.8M physical sales with 3 more days to go. That's more physical than 25 already so I consider TTPD's figure to be more impressive than 25's. Let's not even mention the 10s of millions of listeners it takes to generate the record 900M streams TTPD is projected to achieve, which is obviously more impressive than 25's itunes sales record. 

 

It's not "bloated" since no one came close to that record even in the digital era, including Taylor herself. 

 

And yes. TTPD sold 1.8 million physical sales in the streaming era which is more than she did in the digital era. She sold more copies on her first day in physical copies than Adele did at a time when physical sales were bigger and yet she's not able to outsell Adele's first week? At this point you're just trying to discredit Adele because you can't have Taylor at #2. Also, Adele's "bloated" record of 3 million+ units includes people who purchased the album while Taylor's 2 million+ units will be comprised of people buying her album but listening to it via Spotify instead along with the performances and streams of her lead single incorporated into it and its numerous variants and "bonus-track exclusives" that Adele's 25 did not have. You are also the one who posted that Google Trends graph about Taylor being more famous than current presidents so how about you use that same graph and type in 'Adele' and 'Taylor Swift' and look at their respective spikes. Adele was insanely popular and no one is dragging Taylor but Adele and 25 were record-breakers in far more territories than Taylor and TTPD and the former will not be breaking Adele's smash. 

[ALA]

Billboard updated 6-day; 2.5m total units, 1.85m pure.

[Raspberries]

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The collected 31 songs across the deluxe edition of The Tortured Poets Department generated 799 million on-demand official streams in the U.S. on April 19-24. It breaks the record for the largest streaming week for an album, previously set by the opening frame of Drake's Scorpion (745.92 million for its 25 songs in 2018).

The Tortured Poets Department earned 2.5 million equivalent album units in the U.S. in its first six days. Of that sum, traditional album sales comprise 1.85 million.

If The Tortured Poets Department debuts atop the Billboard 200, it will mark Swift's 14th No. 1 album, extending her record for the most among women. She would also tie Jay-Z for the most No. 1s among soloists. The only act with more No. 1 albums on the Billboard 200 is The Beatles, with 19.

 

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/taylor-swift-the-tortured-poets-department-first-day-sales-release-week-1235662005/

Edited April 26 by Raspberries