charts discussion Billboard: TTPD sold 1.4M pure sales first day in the US

[slas]

Assuming it follows Midnights' pattern, which did ~1.4x weekly sales over Friday sales (so 1.9-2M pure), and it does ~625K SEA + TEA then it will do 2.6 million units. If sales are being withheld or slower to ship like 1989 TV then 3M+ is certainly possible.

[Green]

Comparing with Midnights first day pure sales:

 

According to initial reports to Luminate, the album, which was released on Oct. 21, has sold more than 800,000 copies in the U.S. through its first day across all available formats (multiple digital album download, CD, vinyl and cassette variants).

 

The final pure sales for the whole week were 1.1 million so it sold another 300k pure the rest of the 6 days.

 

So using the first day of Poets (1.4 million pure) maybe it could sell 1.9 million pure for the whole week (plus 700k SEA + TEA) = 2.6 million estimated sounds realistic.

 

[Bloodflowers.]

So High School did that

[prettyinpink940]

So it this gonna end up selling more than 1989 (TV)?

[BabyBenzz]

14 minutes ago, prettyinpink940 said:

So it this gonna end up selling more than 1989 (TV)?

it already did

[UnusualBoy]

13 minutes ago, prettyinpink940 said:

So it this gonna end up selling more than 1989 (TV)?

It probably passed its number by now lol.

 

I think the album will end with 2.6-2.7 unitd which is insane.

[prettyinpink940]

8 minutes ago, UnusualBoy said:

It probably passed its number by now lol.

 

I think the album will end with 2.6-2.7 unitd which is insane.

incredible 

[Taylor fanboy]

And we haven't heard the So High School remix with Ice Spice and Fortnight (feat. More Post Malone) yet.

[Green]

1 hour ago, Taylor fanboy said:

And we haven't heard the So High School remix with Ice Spice and Fortnight (feat. More Post Malone) yet.

 

 

She better stay away... Grah   

[perfillusion]

1.4M PURE already? In 2024? She's so ruthless to her haters. Success really is the best form of revenge.

[Kitboga]

4 hours ago, Green said:

After Adele's 3.5 million the closest was Taylor's 1.3 million with 1989 a year before (her 1989 album wasn't on streaming neither).... There's no need to bring down what Adele did with 25, especially considering that Adele isn't a fan driven artist.

What a stupid statement. You think Taylor is "fan driven" when her listening base was already the biggest of any artists in 2023, as reported by all every streaming platforms that she has hit the highest unique listener counts on their services? 
 

The fact is, a normal artist may have 1 hardcore fan out of 10 casual listeners while Taylor may have 2-3 fans out of 10. But most of her audience are still casuals anyway. If she actually is fan driven then she'd be able to get a lot more than this 1.4m preorder. 

 

 

 

[Kitboga]

Anyway, I wasn't aware that more than half of 25's numbers were actually those cheapass iTunes digitals.. that was even lower than I thought. and it's most likely cus people were duped into thinking it'll never be on streaming, and they wouldn't have bought it otherwise. 

 

TTPD can still go after the physical copies record I guess. Will 2m be enough to get it done? Or does Britney/backstreet boys have a higher physical sales than 2M? 

Edited April 21 by Kitboga

[Green]

57 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

What a stupid statement. You think Taylor is "fan driven" when her listening base was already the biggest of any artists in 2023, as reported by all every streaming platforms that she has hit the highest unique listener counts on their services? 
 

The fact is, a normal artist may have 1 hardcore fan out of 10 casual listeners while Taylor may have 2-3 fans out of 10. But most of her audience are still casuals anyway. If she actually is fan driven then she'd be able to get a lot more than this 1.4m preorder. 

 

 

 

 

Read again. I never said Taylor was just "fan driven". I know very well she has also huge GP support so she has both things.

 

I just said Adele herself isn't a "fan driven" artist in the sense that she didn't have hardcore stans buying multiple copies for her to break 2000 Nsync's record. Those 25 sales were mostly GP driven

[MP3]

If it sold 1.6 million equivalent units in one day, it's safe to say that 3 million first week is not out of the question

[cat1867]

51 minutes ago, MP3 said:

If it sold 1.6 million equivalent units in one day, it's safe to say that 3 million first week is not out of the question

Nah. Her sales pre-sale heavy which already have mostly counted.

[anti-bitch]

2 hours ago, Kitboga said:

If she actually is fan driven then she'd be able to get a lot more than this 1.4m preorder. 

 

Not really because you know it's mostly stans that buy records these days and especially so with preorders without even hearing the album first. The casual people might buy the album later if they hear good things about it

 

And not you trying to drag Adele with the itunes sales. 25 sold over 8 million in US in pure sales in a couple of months, mostly CD sales. The first week wasn't even the most impressive feat, but doing million plus sales in two later weeks on top of that, that's unheard of

 

spotify was much smaller thing in 2015 anyway, so you are kinda deranged in saying that people would not have bought 25 if it was on it. Especially in US most people did not use it back then

[Cockney Cupcake]

2 hours ago, Kitboga said:

Anyway, I wasn't aware that more than half 25's numbers were actually those cheapass iTunes digitals.. that was even lower than I thought. and it's most likely cus people duped into thinking it'll never be on streaming, and they wouldn't have bought otherwise. 

 

Such a dumb comment when iTunes was pretty important back then and cheapass my a** when the digital album cost at the time $12 not much cheaper than the deluxe exclusive cds with posters and what nots that Taylor is selling … 21 was at the time the best selling album in iTunes history too so the "they wouldn't have bought it" it's just you trying to diminish what she achieved.

[cat1867]

51 minutes ago, MP3 said:

If it sold 1.6 million equivalent units in one day, it's safe to say that 3 million first week is not out of the question

Nah. Her sales pre-sale heavy which already have mostly counted.

[PurrKaty]

Her boy, Daddy, the smallest man, Clara Bow, Aimee, Kim, Chloe, Sam, Sophie, Marcus, Cassandra, Peter, The Bolter, Robin, & the black dog did that

 

No wonder she was able to pull it off with the huge team behind her  

Edited April 21 by PurrKaty

[Kitboga]

5 hours ago, Green said:

 

Read again. I never said Taylor was just "fan driven". I know very well she has also huge GP support so she has both things.

 

I just said Adele herself isn't a "fan driven" artist in the sense that she didn't have hardcore stans buying multiple copies for her to break 2000 Nsync's record. Those 25 sales were mostly GP driven

So you're looking at one side of the issue about fans buying variants, while completely ignoring another fact which that the traditional sales and iTunes downloads is completely gone today? Are you unable process 2 issues at the same time or just being disingenuous? 
 

And answer me this - Which artist''s pure sales isn't fan driven nowadays, since all casual listeners are streaming instead of buying?
 

And what exactly is wrong with a copy being fan-bought vs casual listener-bought? Like I'm sure most of 1989's initial 1.2m copies were bought by people who were fans of her already. Does that make 1989's numbers "inorganic"? Or does the same fan who bought 1989 in 2014 was organic, but when he/she buys the 1989tv copy in 2024, it is now "inorganic"? lol. Must a copy be bought but a casual listener to be considered "organic" in your opinion? this argument is so mind numbingly stupid. It's almost like it was made up by flopped bases who couldn't match the level of her enthusiasm and sales so they create a coping argument about the "integrity of sales" instead🤣.
 

ultimately is a sale which is a sale. If an artist has the demand to generate that much sales then props to them, there is no taking away from it. Especially in todays market where physical sales were 1/10 of what it used to be.

Edited April 21 by Kitboga

[Kitboga]

2 hours ago, Cockney Cupcake said:

Such a dumb comment when iTunes was pretty important back then and cheapass my a** when the digital album cost at the time $12 not much cheaper than the deluxe exclusive cds with posters and what nots that Taylor is selling … 21 was at the time the best selling album in iTunes history too so the "they wouldn't have bought it" it's just you trying to diminish what she achieved.

Yea the digital is $12, nice. But a vinyl is $35 bucks, plus shipping it'd be 45-50$ depending on location.
 

So revenue-wise, even 900k vinyls probably worth more than 3.5m digitals and In-store CDs.. but a sale is a sale, which is a sale and there's no taking away from that. 

 

Im just resorted to hoping TTPD would take the physical sales record instead. Is *NSYNC's physical numbers higher than 2.3m? If not then she might have a shot.. 

Edited April 21 by Kitboga

[Carrie-is-no-1]

22 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

So you're looking at one side of the issue about fans buying variants, while completely ignoring another fact which that the traditional sales and iTunes downloads is completely gone today? Are you unable process 2 issues at the same time or just being disingenuous? 
 

And answer me this - Which artist''s pure sales isn't fan driven nowadays, since all casual listeners are streaming instead of buying?
 

And what exactly is wrong with a copy being fan-bought vs casual listener-bought? Like I'm sure most of 1989's initial 1.2m copies were bought by people who were fans of her already. Does that make 1989's numbers "inorganic"? Or does the same fan who bought 1989 in 2014 was organic, but when he/she buys the 1989tv copy in 2024, it is now "inorganic"? lol. Must a copy be bought but a casual listener to be considered "organic" in your opinion? this argument is so mind numbingly stupid. It's almost like it was made up by flopped bases who couldn't match the level of her enthusiasm and sales so they create a coping argument about the "integrity of sales" instead🤣.
 

ultimately is a sale which is a sale. If an artist has the demand to generate that much sales then props to them, there is no taking away from it. Especially in todays market where physical sales were 1/10 of what it used to be.

The defensive argument  he never said that fan-driven is wrong. Both girls' records are equally impressive and it's difficult to compare because of the difference in music climate. Same as how people can say that vinyl wasn't as popular and more ppl could've bought 25 today…

 

just enjoy the record, I'm sure your heart will feel more peaceful ☺️ 

[fridayteenage]

the 2nd bestselling album this year is cc at ~216k.

 

the 2nd bestselling album in 2015 was 1993k (taylor's 1989). Adele's first week was 70% higher than that. 

 

for poets' sales through the first day to win 2024 by 70%, the runner-up would need 824k sales. 2023's top selling album besides Taylor was Travis Scott at 575k. 2022 was Harry at 757k. 

[Kitboga]

41 minutes ago, Carrie-is-no-1 said:

The defensive argument  he never said that fan-driven is wrong. Both girls' records are equally impressive and it's difficult to compare because of the difference in music climate. Same as how people can say that vinyl wasn't as popular and more ppl could've bought 25 today…

 

just enjoy the record, I'm sure your heart will feel more peaceful ☺️ 

yea that's exactly what I'm doing, preaching that TTPD could take  *NSYNC's physical sales record rn.
 

I was just completely shocked by how these "taylor fans" here (or just people using her pic as avatar) are arguing against the impressiveness of Taylor's numbers considering how much the sales market has died down. They're using those  "variants" claptraps that haters would say; as if any physical sales today isn't the rarest of rare cases in today's market, they act as it ifbeing able to sell numbers in 2023 ought to be shamed on or something; while you as a as non Taylor fan (I assume?) are able to understand this change in the music market compared to 10 years ago. 
 

It's somewhat amusing to behold actually. 

Edited April 21 by Kitboga

[Cockney Cupcake]

1 hour ago, Kitboga said:

Yea the digital is $12, nice. But a vinyl is $35 bucks, plus shipping it'd be 45-50$ depending on location.
 

So revenue-wise, even 900k vinyls probably worth more than 3.5m digitals and In-store CDs.. but a sale is a sale, which is a sale and there's no taking away from that. 

 

Im just resorted to hoping TTPD would take the physical sales record instead. Is *NSYNC's physical numbers higher than 2.3m? If not then she might have a shot.. 

there was zero mention of revenue lol I clearly said I was comparing the digital to the cds price not the vinyl… anyways