NoName Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Beyoncé is far more polarizing and made urban music for the most part of her lucrative career. Urban music is not as popular as pure pop and never has been. Even Usher's huge diamond-selling album struggled to do the same outside of the US. It's just how it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarajukuPrincess Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Rotunda said: Here's an interesting (and honestly very measured podcast) about how Taylor Swift has been able to kinda be and stay emblematic of (White) Girlhood from her teenage years and into her 30s. It also touches on why Taylor Swift is able to operate from that perpetual Girl Next Door position in a way that other white women aren't. @The 1 @Josh - I know the title is a bit incendiary/antagonistic but the guest has a lot of interest insights that I think y'all may find interesting. It also touches on my point about there being an absence of a Black Girl Next Door. Thank you for that podcast. Very informative 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKCuteCat Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 4/19/2024 at 5:17 AM, GardenPanty said: A lot of people would say Beyoncé is the biggest pop star in the world. Nothing agaisnt Bee but who said so? I mean, Taylor is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glam Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I like both so I don't have a horse in this race. So I think it's cause Taylor is very comitted to constantly give their fans new material to a degree no other MPG does. She also sticks to similar sounds between albums, unlike Beyonce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout2006 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 4/19/2024 at 3:12 AM, Queenyoncee said: Katy, Gaga, Britney are all far more "controversial" than someone like Taylor Swift please Right? As if Taylor has seen even 50% of the backlash Britney and Gaga endured during their primes, let alone hate train eras. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout2006 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) On 4/19/2024 at 5:10 AM, Lose My Breath said: Yikes.... Thank GOD she doesn't stifle her creativity for "relatable easy sound albums". I can't believe I'm reading people make an argument for commercial fodder albums deserving to win the AOTY Grammy over innovative efforts that push the boundaries of music and reshape pop culture What has Taylor brought us to... Edited April 22 by Blackout2006 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 She is white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeyonceFan Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 America likes safeness and what's more safe than a blonde white girl with blue eyes and doesn't have a stance on anything remotely political? The safest artist music has ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritboy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Beyonce is probably the most polarizing female artist after Madonna. And she is enormously successful despite this. Taylor is harmless and as vanilla as it gets. There's nothing wrong or bad with it, it just makes it easier to relate with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great808 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 This thread still being open this long am surprised. The biggest kii is that a damn user with Kim Petras shaking her **** on stage is the one that is responsible for getting Bey dragged like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rihannasbe$tfrnd Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Beyonce fans have jobs, hobbies, lives. Taylor's fanbase consists of 14 year girls who have nothing else to do but stream her music and beg mom & dad for money to buy multiple copies of the same album. The other part of her fanbase are millennials with developmental behaviors like their fave who are mentally stuck in high school who spend their income on buying multiple copies of her album because they think Taylor personally cares about them 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Silva Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Her fifth and sixth album's were not as universally relatable or digestible to key demographics (as she had been previously), which led to her shedding core segments of her previous audience resulting in a loss of market penetration and momentum. Edited April 23 by Dante Silva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpartyrocker Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I'd rather have Beyonce selling 400k 27 years into her career with a classic album that just stands out than a 2m opener with a bunch of leftovers from midnights sessions that no one will remember in a few years time. (Other than swifties who will claim even Taylor's farts are the best) y'all so crazy about numbers, but you forget about the QUALITY! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaco95 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) On 4/20/2024 at 10:23 AM, Love4Janet said: The Hive have spent the last decade in an echo chamber, convincing themselves that Beyonce is one of the biggest and most impactful artists of all time In reality, she has yet to even surpass Fergie's peak Imagine telling people to bow down to you with stats so meager. It's laughable Beyoncé - B'Day (2006) first week sales: 541k #1 BB200 Fergie The Dutchess (2006) first week sales: 142k #3 BB200 Beyoncé Lemonade (2016) first week sales: 653k #1 BB200 Fergie - Double Dutchess (2017) first week sales: 21k #19 BB200 the impact that BEYONCÉ THE VISUAL ALBUM had in Fergie (and the industry), like, she decided to record whole ass visuals for her flop album Edited April 23 by Joaco95 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mani. Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Because she's every white girl "girl next door" fantasy. Taylor is rarely on my radar and I don't think I've met one black person (Or person in general) who listens to her yet. It's simply white privilege. Her albums are usually the same generic sounding music she's always released. Nothing particularly special about her as an artist if we're going to be completely honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeHicks Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 59 minutes ago, Mani. said: Because she's every white girl "girl next door" fantasy. Taylor is rarely on my radar and I don't think I've met one black person (Or person in general) who listens to her yet. It's simply white privilege. Is that why she is absolutely huge in asia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaco95 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, AbeHicks said: Is that why she is absolutely huge in asia? they love sum yt girls over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twixters Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Beyoncé does what works for her. Her being this "figure" allows her not to age. She is a 40 something year old woman the industry is VERY AGEIST but she has found a way to be seen as a product rather than a person. Her mystique is what has gained her longevity. She cannot be seen as personable. She is beautiful. She is rich. She lives in opulence. Her trying to give girl next door or soccer mom will fall flat. she does extremely well. I mean other than Taylor no one is seeing Beyoncé. They are on top. Sales do not matter to the gp. They are both equally as famous and on the same stratosphere of fame. Anyone who knows Taylor knows Beyoncé and vice versa. Their celebrity status is EQUAL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Taylor is good at building parasocial relationships with her fans I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Taylor makes white women and white gays feel seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey_Juice Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Taylor makes radio-friendly songs for soccer moms and 12-year-old girls in suburbia Beyonce pushes the envelope and takes way more risks And she's black (Imagine if she was white with her talent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/18/2024 at 7:54 PM, RobynYoBank said: I guess we'll compare streaming numbers in a few weeks. Why even wait a few weeks, now's as good a time as any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclass Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 You know Christian Dior will never sell as much as H&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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