album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[Achilles.]

11 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

I'm kinda having fun with a game of limbo and ICDIWABH on pop radio right now. Her sheer magnitude of success and celebrity (and the might of her radio people) are forcing them to play a song that they clearly do not want to, and it's a game of how low they'll be allowed to let it peak 

 

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I will say I do still give a few shits about the BB200 because I like seeing her end careers (and block albums on a whim), but basically nothing else matters to me at this point either 

 

I haven't even looked at its chart run but limbo sounds fun! Took a peek and it's giving top 5 on HAC, 6-8 on Top 40, bomb on AC.

 

I agree about the BB200, but even my joy in seeing her dominate there for the past year has been diminished by the fact that Loser was smashing hardest.

[brokee]

23 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

The show of the tour this December in Vancouver seems like the most opportune time for her to announce something... what, is unknowable, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't something

Oh, the upcoming show yeah that one I would not be surprised if she announce something. Since it is close to Christmas, I wonder if 

The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection TV will happen 

[pinkbowvintage]

But Daddy I Love Him still hits 

 

this whole album just remains AOTY to me

[Achilles.]

6 minutes ago, pinkbowvintage said:

But Daddy I Love Him still hits SKIP

[Enrique523]

8 hours ago, chiliam said:

She is really that *****. Except for questionable single choices, she has made brilliant career moves.

I remember when she announce 1989 would be a full pop album, i was fuming hard and ready to unstan and thats the reaction of most fans at the time, we all called her sell-out. And it turned out her most dominant era with all the hits and promo slots. A lot of people look back and say it was such a safe move but i was there and remember it all too well, she could alienate her entire country fanbase.

Or when she annouce The Eras tour we all think how the hell to fit all the eras and that sound like a legacy act, just do folkmorelover midnight tour would be better. And then she surprise us all with that insane setlist 3.5h show. 

Yeah, agree about the single choices, she definitively has questionable judgment when it comes to that. That's her only flaw when it comes to her career's planning really. But everything else has been good decision after good decision.

 

And TELL ME ABOUT IT when it comes to 1989. I HATE how some people act as if going full pop was a completely safe move, it absolutely wasn't 

Her country audience could've stopped buying her albums all together, and album sales have always been her strong point. Even when Speak Now underperformed with singles, the era was still successful thanks to strong album sales. Going full pop was definitively a big risk, imagine if not only the singles didn't connect with the public BUT on top of that her album sales would've dropped like a rock because people just wanted her to be country? The whole thing could've gone SO wrong, 1989 was anything but safe 

 

And at first i was against the Eras Tour when she first announced it, i thought it was WAY too soon for a tour like that, especially with Midnights smashing. But she way she structured the tour was so masterful, things couldn't have possibly gone better.

[Enrique523]

6 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

I'm kinda having fun with a game of limbo and ICDIWABH on pop radio right now. Her sheer magnitude of success and celebrity (and the might of her radio people) are forcing them to play a song that they clearly do not want to, and it's a game of how low they'll be allowed to let it peak 

 

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I will say I do still give a few shits about the BB200 because I like seeing her end careers (and block albums on a whim), but basically nothing else matters to me at this point either 

 

Completely agree. Her discography as a whole is still smashing so hard that she doesn't even NEED hit singles at this point to be at the top, the sheer success of her entire albums do all the work. That's what happens when you developped a massive fanbase that loves your entire body of work and not just the big singles.

 

Most other popstars, like Gaga or Rihanna, NEED big singles in order to have successful eras. Taylor doesn't really need that anymore.

[Badgalbriel]

I want her to go back to releasing pre-album singles. At least one lead single and one single during the album release week. 

[Dear Reader]

Quick reminder that Midnights is an excellent Pop album and if you put aside your hatred for Jack you can see that. It absolutely deserved AOTY and I'm inclined to say that TTPD also deserves the award. If she ends up winning (I think she won't), I'll be defending it until the end of times. 

[Enrique523]

6 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

If you can sit through the back to back catastrophes of Reputation and Lover (or know you can suffer a hypothetical equivalent in the future) without feeling the urge to hide behind the hitmaker of the week, then you're a Good Swiftie™ in my books 

I will never take seriously ANYBODY who still believe they have to hide behind some current hitmaker at this point of Taylor's career, those people are obviously not real Swifties and never will be. People like us have been through the TRENCHES for years and i never doubted my loyalty to Taylor for one second, i'm a stan for life. Even before Folkmore i would've never left her, i was already too much of a stan for that to happen.

 

Same thing for Madonna, my second favorite pop star, i'm a stan for life, even if she also took decisions with her career i didn't agree with.

 

 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Dear Reader said:

Quick reminder that Midnights is an excellent Pop album and if you put aside your hatred for Jack you can see that. It absolutely deserved AOTY and I'm inclined to say that TTPD also deserves the award. If she ends up winning (I think she won't), I'll be defending it until the end of times. 

Louder for the people in the back 

 

I also don't think she's gonna win AOTY with TTPD, there's strong competition this year and she's just not gonna win 2 years in a row. But she better be AT LEAST nominated 

[Dear Reader]

 

10.3M units WW?  In 6 months 

[chiliam]

39 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Yeah, agree about the single choices, she definitively has questionable judgment when it comes to that. That's her only flaw when it comes to her career's planning really. But everything else has been good decision after good decision.

 

And TELL ME ABOUT IT when it comes to 1989. I HATE how some people act as if going full pop was a completely safe move, it absolutely wasn't 

Her country audience could've stopped buying her albums all together, and album sales have always been her strong point. Even when Speak Now underperformed with singles, the era was still successful thanks to strong album sales. Going full pop was definitively a big risk, imagine if not only the singles didn't connect with the public BUT on top of that her album sales would've dropped like a rock because people just wanted her to be country? The whole thing could've gone SO wrong, 1989 was anything but safe 

 

And at first i was against the Eras Tour when she first announced it, i thought it was WAY too soon for a tour like that, especially with Midnights smashing. But she way she structured the tour was so masterful, things couldn't have possibly gone better.

yeah im so confused with the 1989 is a safe choice narrative. Like lets not re-write history, it was a massive success doesnt mean it`s not a risk when she annouce to go full pop mode.

I were there  and remember vividly most of the fandom complained hard until Style snippet release and Blank space`s video release change our mind. Shake it off was panned by the fan, OOTW was decent but the repetitive chorus also has us worried,  Welcome to NY ... well that was a test. Not to mention the horrible How you get a panned album snippet in that cat commercial

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[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Dear Reader said:

 

10.3M units WW?  In 6 months 

Pure sales will ALWAYS put her ahead of everyone else, i love it. It's not enough that she's killing it in streaming, she's also the only female pop star who can actually SELL albums 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, chiliam said:

yeah im so confused with the 1989 is a safe choice narrative. Like lets not re-write history, it was a massive success doesnt mean it`s not a risk when she annouce to go full pop mode.

I were there  and remember vividly most of the fandom complained hard until Style snippet release and Blank space`s video release change our mind. Shake it off was panned by the fan, OOTW was decent but the repetitive chorus also has us worried,  Welcome to NY ... well that was a test. Not to mention the horrible How you get a panned album snippet in that cat commercial

The problem is that people always think a pop star only takes a "risk" when the project in question flop, they never look at the broader context. Just because pop is a very mainstream genre doesn't mean it can't be a risk for some specific artists to go pop.

 

Taylor has taken a LOT of risks in her career. But people, especially OTHs, never want to admit it because her risks always ended up paying off so they act as if everything was always guarantee to smash, which is far from the truth.

[Hobbes]

49 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Yeah, agree about the single choices, she definitively has questionable judgment when it comes to that. That's her only flaw when it comes to her career's planning really. But everything else has been good decision after good decision.

 

And TELL ME ABOUT IT when it comes to 1989. I HATE how some people act as if going full pop was a completely safe move, it absolutely wasn't 

Her country audience could've stopped buying her albums all together, and album sales have always been her strong point. Even when Speak Now underperformed with singles, the era was still successful thanks to strong album sales. Going full pop was definitively a big risk, imagine if not only the singles didn't connect with the public BUT on top of that her album sales would've dropped like a rock because people just wanted her to be country? The whole thing could've gone SO wrong, 1989 was anything but safe 

 

And at first i was against the Eras Tour when she first announced it, i thought it was WAY too soon for a tour like that, especially with Midnights smashing. But she way she structured the tour was so masterful, things couldn't have possibly gone better.

I initially thought the same as a 'Greatest Hits' tour feels like something you do when you're fully past your heyday but when you consider that Lover Fest was cancelled due to COVID, folklore/evermore probably wouldn't have smashed with their own tour like rep, and she'd also released Midnights, it really made sense to catch up.

[Ms. Togekiss]

Ever since the so high school single rumors came out I've been listening to it and I'm obsessed same with My Boy. I didn't obsessively spin TTPD as I did Midnights but that's probably because of how long it is. Even for midnights 20 tracks was too much so I cut it down to like 7-10 that I actually obsessed over. So a lot of these TTPD songs still sound relatively new once I actually listen to them 

[Arrows]

22 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

 

10.3M units WW?  In 6 months 

Hopefully TTPD will be her first IFPI #1 album of the year

[Dear Reader]

Just now, Arrows said:

Hopefully TTPD will be her first IFPI #1 album of the year

It has the biggest chances since it got released so early in the year 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Hobbes said:

I initially thought the same as a 'Greatest Hits' tour feels like something you do when you're fully past your heyday but when you consider that Lover Fest was cancelled due to COVID, folklore/evermore probably wouldn't have smashed with their own tour like rep, and she'd also released Midnights, it really made sense to catch up.

I see what you mean about catching up, i know a lot of Swifties were in favor of that because she didn't tour in years. I see the argument, i just thought at the time that the Eras Tour would be a traditional Greatest Hits Tour and i thought it was WAY too soon in her career to do something like that. She just had a pretty big commercial comeback with Midnights at that point and i thought she should focus on that, not do a legacy act kind of tour. But thankfully the Eras tour turned out to be very different from what i expected it to be so needless to say i completely changed my mind 

 

The Eras Tour is truly the best thing that arguably ever happened to her career, she literally got an ENTIRE NEW FANBASE thanks to it. And if you don't believe me you just need to look at her streaming numbers before and after the tour. The way her streaming numbers went up and NEVER WENT DOWN afterwards really shows that many people became Swifties as a result of the tour. She got a permanent boost from the tour, that just never happens with other artists, not to that degree 

[Arrows]

Remember when The Man initially out-streamed Cruel Summer for some time after Lover's release? How IDSB was deemed the smash of rep and did much better numbers than Don't Blame Me?

 

Well, I'm not humble enough to keep it to myself that I knew all along what the real GP hits were, and vouched for both on here

 

Let me just say, while everyone was focusing on ICDIWABH and Down Bad because of their streaming numbers, some of us knew what the real hit potential on TTPD was on first listen:

 

 

[hoax]

31 minutes ago, Arrows said:

Remember when The Man initially out-streamed Cruel Summer for some time after Lover's release? How IDSB was deemed the smash of rep and did much better numbers than Don't Blame Me?

 

Well, I'm not humble enough to keep it to myself that I knew all along what the real GP hits were, and vouched for both on here

 

Let me just say, while everyone was focusing on ICDIWABH and Down Bad because of their streaming numbers, some of us knew what the real hit potential on TTPD was on first listen:

 

 

Ddd sister there was a time when IFTYE was outstreaming Cruel Summer, and by a significant margin at that. IIRC it got to 100M on Spotify like over a month ahead of Cruel Summer

 

Still, your point is cogent 

[Enrique523]

I know some people are still mad that she didn't release Cruel Summer back in 2019 but honestly it was for the best, i really don't think it would've smashed as hard back then, her career was in a different spot.

[Dear Reader]

Also, allow me to criticize TTPD a bit here. 

 

After reading what @Klein wrote a few days ago, I started thinking about the sound and lyrics of the album and I have to agree with him. This album is extremely sad and I feel very melancholic when I listen to it. Don't get me wrong, I still think her lyricism is outstanding on this album, contrary to what many believe. I guess you really have to be in a certain gloomy mood to enjoy it fully and that's why I've been finding myself distancing a bit from it, but loved it so much when it came out since I was feeling way worse back then. 

 

[Taylor fanboy]

2 hours ago, Arrows said:

Remember when The Man initially out-streamed Cruel Summer for some time after Lover's release? How IDSB was deemed the smash of rep and did much better numbers than Don't Blame Me?

 

Well, I'm not humble enough to keep it to myself that I knew all along what the real GP hits were, and vouched for both on here

 

Let me just say, while everyone was focusing on ICDIWABH and Down Bad because of their streaming numbers, some of us knew what the real hit potential on TTPD was on first listen:

 

 

How IDSBwas deemed the smash of rep and did much betternumbers than Don't Blame Me?
 

These two have always been close to each other.

 

For TTPD, I don't know, she's not trying-trying this era unlike her passion on MID

[Taylor fanboy]

7 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Also, allow me to criticize TTPD a bit here. 

 

After reading what @Klein wrote a few days ago, I started thinking about the sound and lyrics of the album and I have to agree with him. This album is extremely sad and I feel very melancholic when I listen to it. Don't get me wrong, I still think her lyricism is outstanding on this album, contrary to what many believe. I guess you really have to be in a certain gloomy mood to enjoy it fully and that's why I've been finding myself distancing a bit from it, but loved it so much when it came out since I was feeling way worse back then. 

 

I'm failing to see the criticism.

 

The album IS sad.