Klein Posted April 27 Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, vale9001 said: Rep became kinda of cult retrospectively after the 2020 but during the era was a disaster. Why people want to change this narrative? Nobody is touching the narrative of the Rep era? It's true that 1) the GP and critics and media in general "rejected" (that's a strong word but you get what I mean) her at first, and came around later on because they weren't hating on the music they were hating on the artist, but also that 2) the fans were just as invested as ever (if not more because that moment really solidified the connection between Taylor and Swifties) as we can see from objective facts. Both of these statements are true. 1
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kern said: Can y'all help good sis ou im fighting for my life here we're busy listening. Can they do the same with their faves? They need it they're fuming cause they were ready to celebrate the album big drops after a day but the numbers are crazy and for people it's really a grower so data are showing this thing and they're mad. The fun thing is: even if this drop would have happened...so their fave last music is the most terrible ever made cause they went from 70M streams to under 10 in 4 weeks right? Edited April 27 by vale9001
Dear Reader Posted April 27 Posted April 27 I'm sorry for ever doubting you. You're a great title track 4
Vespertine Posted April 27 Posted April 27 1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said: Trigger warning: ME! / Lover Era / Katy Perry parallels. This video genuinely felt like being waterboarded. Everyone say thank you folklore @Vespertine @Taylor fanboy the fact that She went SO all out on promo for this My god… The way Bill Gates had to unleash a pandemic to SAVE Her career… 3
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Klein said: Nobody is touching the narrative of the Rep era? It's true that 1) the GP and critics and media in general "rejected" (that's a strong word but you get what I mean) her at first, and came around later on because they weren't hating on the music they were hating on the artist, but also that 2) the fans were just as invested as ever (if not more because that moment really solidified the connection between Taylor and Swifties) as we can see from objective facts. Both of these statements are true. no i don't agree with that. The fans are just invested as ever with this new album, not with rep. What objective fact shows differently? Her fanbase is so big she can tour even if they don't like her last album but she also lost fans engangements like ever before with that era. But even them were not consuming the music cause the numbers were bad bad after a couple of weekds. Edited April 27 by vale9001 1
Klein Posted April 27 Posted April 27 1 minute ago, vale9001 said: no i don't agree with that. The fans are just invested as ever with this new album, not with rep. What objective fact shows differently? Her fanbase is so big she can tour even if they don't like her last album but she also lost fans engangements like ever before with that era. But even them were not consuming the music cause the numbers were bad bad after a couple of weekds. Well, that's not what the numbers suggest, as I said earlier: 26 minutes ago, Klein said: Reputation opened with 1,238,000 units vs 1,287,000 for 1989. That's virtually identical, especially considering the weakening of the pure sales market between 2014 and 2017. Look What You Made Me Do was one of her biggest (if not her biggest) debut ever for a single. And the Rep Tour was her most successful tour at the time. The fans were definitely still there. Did she grow her fanbase in that time? No. But there definitely wasn't an exodus if you look at the numbers. And if there was, then they were replaced by others fans. If everything fizzled out "quickly" (proportionally to 1989's success) it's because the GP didn't care/like it as much as 1989.
greento Posted April 27 Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, Dear Reader said: I'm sorry for ever doubting you. You're a great title track One of my favs now, it's actually a really emotional track
mael Posted April 27 Posted April 27 The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... 1
YellowRibbon Posted April 27 Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, mael said: The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... It's mainly eternal slatenators & little fadsters building this narrative. Some members of the cowboy samples fandom are also liking stuff like that. It's giving obsession 6
Shendelzare Posted April 27 Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, mael said: The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... that base has been coping hard this past week OT: CoSoSoM might be one of my faves songs of all time
Dear Reader Posted April 27 Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, mael said: The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... They're trying to make believe she'll react the same way as sweetener, Chromatica and Renaissance 2
fridayteenage Posted April 27 Posted April 27 broken heart officially her 2nd highest song on Pop radio atm, #44. florida 45, my boy 46, but daddy 48.
By the Water Posted April 27 Posted April 27 10 minutes ago, mael said: The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... Having to lie about a Youtube reactor is some next level coping
Michael196 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 24 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Anyone who stuck around post 1989, (after KimYegate) for reputation was most certainly not a bandwagoner, we are honorary decorated veterans Lol you're absolutely right, but what I meant with the rep bandwagon was the atrl demographic and everyone that wanted her to be the edgy girl (which thank God she isn't) suddenly latched to her on a bigger scale, making the fandom even more insufferable than it already was (then unsurprisingly jumping ship as soon as the lover era kicked off). 24 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Folklore definitely changed our fandom drastically, I agree. We indoctrinated a bunch of indie snobs and middle aged men. For better or worse. Lover was an indoctrination of the youth. And it WAS the beginning of the end. No #1 single no matter how hard she tried, a track 5 that was and still is probably her weakest to date, broke her 1M debut streak, etc. I know you're a Lover defender so I won't keep my foot on your neck too long but that era absolutely deserves to be remembered as a misstep in her career that literally needed an emergency SOS in the form of a global pandemic to successfully recover Even as someone that adores Lover so much, since it has several career highlights, I admit that the approach in certain areas wasn't completely correct but at least she was enjoying herself and the esthetics were more HER than the so called "goth-punk of female rage". And regarding the Lover commercial performance compared to rep, we need to start realizing that ANYTHING that followed rep would've faced the same fate as a consequence to the rep reception and it had less to do with the way she presented Lover. Spoiler Regarding the pandemic point, it's bad to say it but sometimes it feels that everything happened, just for her, to have this rebirth and somewhat rehabilitate her career in order to help her get to this point 1 1
Saintlor Posted April 27 Posted April 27 If this was the album cover people would've thought the songs were more fun 1
By the Water Posted April 27 Posted April 27 There's definitely a lot of revisionism about puta. Not only the music itself but the era as well. You'll find a lot of people outside the fanbase that stan that album but I guarantee they were calling it trash back then. And fans that started stanning back then like to talk about how much they miss that era but it was extremely boring for the most part. LWYMMD was a moment and the tour was fun but that's about it 4
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 17 minutes ago, mael said: The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... Girls these accounts are followed by other jobless 15 years stans. They can take 300K likes still is something same 10 people talk about. Edited April 27 by vale9001
Vespertine Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Lover era: Universally panned lead single. First ever massive backlash from Her own fans (not the GP), who were in denial that it was Her lead single and forced Her to delete a line. Only lead single from Her 4th through 11th albums to fail to go #1. Somewhat panned second single. Todrick. Enough said. Ended Her 1m streak. Masters? SOLD. Shawn Mendes remix? BOMBED. Tour? CANCELLED. Dinner? WITH THE KUSHNERS. I cannot believe I opened this thread to find people still talking about Reputa, a successful era with a #1 lead single, a 1m debut, smash radio hit Delicate, one of the biggest tours of all time, etc. She had amazing goodwill with the public after the Reputa tour hit Netflix, and then immediately wasted it. BYE! 1 3
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 35 minutes ago, Vespertine said: the fact that She went SO all out on promo for this My god… The way Bill Gates had to unleash a pandemic to SAVE Her career… You might be on to something, after all one of those ME! performances was in China wasn't it? That must be when Billiam got the idea to pay off some Wuhan scientists 1
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 28 minutes ago, mael said: The likes... worms for brains. I have actually never seen this level of hatred and vitriol before... This follows the trend of random individual Swifties (the girl crying to exile, for example) getting more attention on social media than some of the actual artists these forum users stan You're telling me the opinion of a girl who listens to music on YouTube is worth LYING about? The Taylor shaped hole in people's ethics is showing again 1
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 18 minutes ago, Saintlor said: If this was the album cover people would've thought the songs were more fun This is a serve. Is this from one of the vinyl? I hadn't seen it yet
Saintlor Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Just now, PoisonedIvy said: This is a serve. Is this from one of the vinyl? I hadn't seen it yet It's from the Who's Afraid of Little Old Me lyric video, I screenshot it and used AI to expand and colorize it: One of her best photos ever 2
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 7 minutes ago, Vespertine said: Only lead single from Her 4th through 11th albums to fail to go #1 Somehow this one is just insult to injury, seeing it laid out in black & white like this 1
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Just now, Saintlor said: It's from the Who's Afraid of Little Old Me lyric video, I screenshot it and used AI to expand and colorize it: One of her best photos ever Ah thank you, I hardly use YouTube at all these days. I should check out the lyric videos at least once. I don't think I have really watched many of hers since folklore & evermore eras 1
sammyk Posted April 27 Posted April 27 14 minutes ago, By the Water said: There's definitely a lot of revisionism about puta. Not only the music itself but the era as well. You'll find a lot of people outside the fanbase that stan that album but I guarantee they were calling it trash back then. And fans that started stanning back then like to talk about how much they miss that era but it was extremely boring for the most part. LWYMMD was a moment and the tour was fun but that's about it I enjoyed rep era. It was heavily criticized and social media felt like hell, but us fans had so much fun. The Magazine posters, the rep concert boxes.. so much fun. Back then, we used to be so excited for her music videos. I haven't felt as excited over music videos since then.
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