PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, Michael196 said: the constant revision of the Lover era as the beginning of the end will never not be hilarious, like it's fun to joke about it, but do we have to still be that dramatic just because of that MA quote especially after how frontloaded everything related to the rep era was (except delicate) and still lover managing to get the biggest debut of the year and producing two #2s that were only blocked because one of the biggest smashes of the streaming era was residing at the top for that entire season... I will always stand on the fact that it was refreshing to see her happy again during that era and witnessing her carefree side in full for the first time after breaking away from the BM conservative shackles, also, getting rid of the rep & 1989 bandwagoners and being the last time time we could call our circle to some extent "a family business"... Anyone who stuck around post 1989, (after KimYegate) for reputation was most certainly not a bandwagoner, we are honorary decorated veterans Folklore definitely changed our fandom drastically, I agree. We indoctrinated a bunch of indie snobs and middle aged men. For better or worse. Lover was an indoctrination of the youth. And it WAS the beginning of the end. No #1 single no matter how hard she tried, a track 5 that was and still is probably her weakest to date, broke her 1M debut streak, etc. I know you're a Lover defender so I won't keep my foot on your neck too long but that era absolutely deserves to be remembered as a misstep in her career that literally needed an emergency SOS in the form of a global pandemic to successfully recover
Migs30283 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Taylor can drop versions and remixes of fortnight anytime soon.
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 2 minutes ago, By the Water said: You'd be surprised how many new fans puta brought Annoying pop bop fans are dragging this decade of music more than any One else. Edited April 27 by vale9001
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 13 minutes ago, vale9001 said: and who cares? neither stadiums make it. You're not forced to satisfy the demand everytime but you can try different things than stadiums all the time. I'm not saying her next move is theaters for an official tour after years of break. I'm just saying in case she wants to make some concert in 2025 too, after a gigantic 2 years on a stadium, she could make something like that and a more intimate show, like more acoustic, without the bigger pop hits etc... and no one is gonna say it's cause she "peaked" after she just finished the biggest tour of all time Trust me I WANT an intimate show, it's just something we won't get from her for a long time. Only in countries where she isn't as popular, like Paris in 2019 for that Lover show. However she's unfortunately grown exponentially across the entire planet
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 The success of this new peak stays on media and radios feeling this music Is more mature and not only for young girls (this how continental Europe media see her now for example) and Singer songwriter fans and indie rock fans back. The gay fans of 1989 and rep are the ones dragging her the most.
By the Water Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Confession time: Spoiler GAS? still hasn't clicked for me 2
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, By the Water said: You'd be surprised how many new fans puta brought I'd say her fanbase was a net negative in 2018 compared to 2015. Rep debuted with less units than 1989, the singles were damn near dead-on-arrival, the album wasn't that well received critically, it earned very few awards at all.. I struggle to see where on earth anything indicates a growth in the fanbase during the rep era. I truly feel like we SHRUNK our ranks in comparison to 1989 era 1
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Just now, By the Water said: Confession time: Reveal hidden contents GAS? still hasn't clicked for me They make medicine for that
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Trust me I WANT an intimate show, it's just something we won't get from her for a long time. Only in countries where she isn't as popular, like Paris in 2019 for that Lover show. However she's unfortunately grown exponentially across the entire planet She can do whatever She wants. If She wants to make a 15 dates Taylor Swift show on Broadway, with a TV recording for people not attending She absolutely can. She doesn't have any moral dury to make things "everyone can attend" (and not everyone can attend in any case). If She takes a 4 years break and then returns with a new album and plans only 20 concerts in a theater of new York is a thing. But as extra show in what should be a year of "pause" After 2 years on stadiums and as special event She can do It. Edited April 27 by vale9001
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, vale9001 said: The success of this new peak stays on media and radios feeling this music Is more mature and not only for young girls (this how continental Europe media see her now for example) and Singer songwriter fans and indie rock fans back. The gay fans of 1989 and rep are the ones dragging her the most. I actually thought about this yesterday. Specifically I was pondering about "Get Him Back" vs "imgonnagetyouback" and realized a 35 year old isn't gonna relate to Liv's version match, and might instead gravitate towards Taylor's slightly more mature take on a similar theme. Sonically, the album offers more for older audiences. Which is good if she wants to continue an upward momentum and expanding her fanbase to depths unexplored
TaylenaStan Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 46 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Trigger warning: ME! / Lover Era / Katy Perry parallels. This video genuinely felt like being waterboarded. Everyone say thank you folklore @Vespertine @Taylor fanboy The fact that she went ALL OUT with the promo for this and now we'll barely get 1 performance per era 42 minutes ago, Michael196 said: she's about to get her tenth #2 IKYWT and YBWM getting blocked hurt the most, these 2 are the only ones that feel like true #1 hits that got blocked (though ME! probably had one of the biggest weeks at #2 ever.. maybe even THE biggest week for a #2 ever didnt it debut with 700+ points and now the #1 songs barely get 250-300 points ) Edited April 27 by TaylenaStan
By the Water Posted April 27 Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: I'd say her fanbase was a net negative in 2018 compared to 2015. Rep debuted with less units than 1989, the singles were damn near dead-on-arrival, the album wasn't that well received critically, it earned very few awards at all.. I struggle to see where on earth anything indicates a growth in the fanbase during the rep era. I truly feel like we SHRUNK our ranks in comparison to 1989 era Having lived through the puta era that's how I felt as well. But I think that's because she lost a lot of casual fans. Every now and then someone on twitter will ask when people started stanning Taylor and I'm always shook at the amount of people that say during the puta era 1
Dear Reader Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) omg I can't get "WHAT IF HE'S WRITTEN MINE ON MY UPPER THIGHT ONLY IN MY MIIIIIIND" out of my head, help she really put narcotics on this one and i'm HOOKED Edited April 27 by Dear Reader 4
Klein Posted April 27 Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: I'd say her fanbase was a net negative in 2018 compared to 2015. Rep debuted with less units than 1989, the singles were damn near dead-on-arrival, the album wasn't that well received critically, it earned very few awards at all.. I struggle to see where on earth anything indicates a growth in the fanbase during the rep era. I truly feel like we SHRUNK our ranks in comparison to 1989 era Reputation opened with 1,238,000 units vs 1,287,000 for 1989. That's virtually identical, especially considering the weakening of the pure sales market between 2014 and 2017. Look What You Made Me Do was one of her biggest (if not her biggest) debut ever for a single. And the Rep Tour was her most successful tour at the time. The fans were definitely still there. Did she grow her fanbase in that time? No. But there definitely wasn't an exodus if you look at the numbers. And if there was, then they were replaced by others fans. If everything fizzled out "quickly" (proportionally to 1989's success) it's because the GP didn't care/like it as much as 1989. 3 2
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, By the Water said: Having lived through the puta era that's how I felt as well. But I think that's because she lost a lot of casual fans. Every now and then someone on twitter will ask when people started stanning Taylor and I'm always shook at the amount of people that say during the puta era Hmm, I see what you mean but I think we lost of casuals and simultaneously upgraded a handful of casuals -into- stans. IIRC, some people really supported the narrative of her reclaiming her reputation that era, so much so that they became stans. It was like rallying casual supporters for a larger cause and turning them into full time soldiers!
By the Water Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Vegas is still a place for hasbeens let's not get it twisted. Some fanbases will try to push the narrative that that's not the case anymore because they can't deal with the fact that they stan hasbeens.
PoisonedIvy Posted April 27 Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Klein said: Reputation opened with 1,238,000 units vs 1,287,000 for 1989. That's virtually identical, especially considering the weakening of the pure sales market between 2014 and 2017. Look What You Made Me Do was one of her biggest (if not her biggest) debut ever for a single. And the Rep Tour was her most successful tour at the time. The fans were definitely still there. Did she grow her fanbase in that time? No. But there definitely wasn't an exodus if you look at the numbers. And if there was, then they were replaced by others fans. If everything fizzled out "quickly" (proportionally to 1989's success) it's because the GP didn't care/like it as much as 1989. I do agree there wasn't a mass exodus of the fanbase, only the casual listeners. And, like I mentioned in my previous post, Taylor's public cancellations may have even radicalized some casual listeners into becoming fans just to defend her from the vitriol. So that would definitely replace any losses. I can agree to a net neutral in the fanbase population from 2015 to 2018, sure 3
Fama Posted April 27 Posted April 27 39 minutes ago, vale9001 said: why performing in las vegas is wasting your time? the idea of a recidency would be something new for her and a good choice if she wants to make like 20 concerts in a year even for 2025. Broadway...las vegas... you have to choice a location and that's all. What does performing in Las Vegas add to her legacy? Nothing.
Nico Robin Posted April 27 Posted April 27 18 minutes ago, By the Water said: Confession time: Reveal hidden contents GAS? still hasn't clicked for me It took some time with me as well but when it clicks youll never get enough of it
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Rep era She was panned everywhere. She Lost media support, radios, going from the bigger era of the decade or almost to an album with no streamed songs in the top 100 After few months. If not for Swifties buying so many albums the first weeks always It was near to witness era. Things started to change after She released the tour concert on Netflix on january 2019. A lot of people watched It and liked. With lover some of the haters continue to panned the First singles but lover Song was very well received, then come the thing with scooter, the documentary, the album was Better received and she grow up. Lover was way less panned than rep and when her image started to change again in public perception Rep became kinda of cult retrospectively after the 2020 but during the era was a disaster. Why people want to change this narrative?
vale9001 Posted April 27 Posted April 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Fama said: What does performing in Las Vegas add to her legacy? Nothing. Something different from another 2025 stadiums tour It's not gonna happen anyways. Edited April 27 by vale9001
Lemon Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Tortured Poets' situations is really meta when you think about it. The album is surely paying the price of its author's status hence torture to some degree.
itsjem Posted April 27 Posted April 27 I love Chloe and the Gang so much, the production is SO! good and the lyrics... man Your hologram stumbled into my apartment Hands in the hair of somebody in darkness Named Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus And I just watched it happen The very cinematic visuals of holograms/ghosts of an ex lover entering your own apartment with a new flame and you being paralized and hostage to the visions of your own mind. OH MY OH MY As the decade would play us for fools [...] If you wanna break my cold, cold heart Just say, "I loved you the way that you were" If you wanna tear my world apart Just say you've always wondered The idea of there being so much space in this relationship and life changing so much from when they first saw each other, so the most hurtful thing would actually be if after all this time the other person says that they are in love with the idea of who you were, and who you were is not who you are anymore but a past version of you, so you can't bring her back now I changed into goddesses, villains, and fools Changed plans and lovers and outfits and rules All to outrun my desertion of you And so she tries to change EVERYTHING about her just to avoid the fact that he is not the right person for her anymore - or actually he never was, but the idea of the relationship they could have had, an idea she lived with for 10 years, was simply not true. I love the personification of the feeling of desertion, abandonment! Like the fact that in reality the distance between them is so large, and this distance is like a monster that is running after her and she is trying to outrun it by deceiving it TAYLOR SWIFT YOU ARE A SONGWRITER. Spoiler Sorry for the random long rantings about songs/lines 1 1
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