charts discussion HDD: 'TORTURED POETS' to debut at #1 with 2.60M units | 1.92M pure sales & 671k SEA

[Burqa]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

I feel like such a clown saying this, but I think the 1m-2m range prediction is a little bit of a classic HDD lowball.

yes like 1 million range is such a boring and safe prediction  i could've said the same 3 weeks ago 

[Cruel Summer]

Just now, 45seconds said:

There is no way she is breaking the Adele record. It's impossible at this point. 

I personally agree with you at the moment, unless early HDD/Billboard reports this weekend are truly, profoundly shocking. It would take physical sales at a level only ever seen for 25 and NSYNC's No Strings Attached, PLUS immense streaming. But the fact that there's even a sliver or doubt for a 2024 album, this far into the streaming era, is totally insane.

[PopFan1996]

1 hour ago, woohoo said:

I think 2 million is a lock with the double album now. I'm not even entertaining the Adele record breaking though. I'd say 2.5 max after seeing their numbers now. 

Double album count as 1 album on billboard.

It's RIAA that count them as 'double'

So it is not a good argument

I see this doing around 1,9-2,1M tho

[family.guy123]

5 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

Double album count as 1 album on billboard.

It's RIAA that count them as 'double'

So it is not a good argument

I see this doing around 1,9-2,1M tho

She doesn't let you CMA on her website so you have to purchase the album again to have all the tracks. 

[PopFan1996]

I feel like using 1989 TV as a data to predict this album's debut is inaccurate. 

Her numbers are heavily coming from stans and not the GP. So even if it's a re-recording, it won't sell much further from a studio album.

I could be wrong tho, but I don't see it outselling 1989 TV by a big margin. (over 1M)  It will outstream tho, but streams do not provide much units. It could outstream1989 TV by 250M in the week and that would provide just an extra 250k units.


Insane numbers nonetheless

Edited April 19 by PopFan1996

[PopFan1996]

1 minute ago, family.guy123 said:

She doesn't let you CMA on her website so you have to purchase the album again to have all the tracks. 

Wtf? Isn't that evil and fraudulent?

Wouldn't most stans  just cancel the first pre-order and purchase the actual complete album?

Edited April 19 by PopFan1996

[WildHeart]

4 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

Her numbers are heavily coming from stans and not the GP

If that's true, what does explain the massive difference between Midnights and 3 am streams? 

[PopFan1996]

1 minute ago, WildHeart said:

If that's true, what does explain the massive difference between Midnights and 3 am streams? 

Because they focused on the main songs

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Also it got released later and most of them were asleep

What is this question? I am confused

Edited April 19 by PopFan1996

[X~MoviePoP]

1.6 max

[WildHeart]

3 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

Because they focused on the main songs

What is this question? I am confused

The question is pretty clear. Why would Midnights standart average 12M streams while 3AM version which was hard to find on her page average 3M streams? 

 

The answer is GP. 

Edited April 19 by WildHeart

[PopFan1996]

Just now, WildHeart said:

The question is pretty clear. Why would Midnights standart average 12M average while 3AM version which was hard to find on her page average 3M average? 

 

The answer is GP. 

That's your opinion and that's okay

 

Agree to disagree

[SoSickOfThatSOL]

2 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

If that's true, what does explain the massive difference between Midnights and 3 am streams? 

They weren't available on the front pages, nor easy to get for the first week. Almost impossible the first day I'd say, I had to type every single song to listened to it on Spotify while still waiting for AM to upload the album  

[WildHeart]

20 minutes ago, SoSickOfThatSOL said:

They weren't available on the front pages, nor easy to get for the first week. Almost impossible the first day I'd say, I had to type every single song to listened to it on Spotify while still waiting for AM to upload the album  

Exactly which made casual listeners miss them and only fans ended up discovering them. Sad because they had better songs than original... 

 

23 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

That's your opinion and that's okay

 

Agree to disagree

Well yes. I guess we will get the answer with HDD's numbers compared to 1989 TV 

[family.guy123]

36 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

Wtf? Isn't that evil and fraudulent?

Wouldn't most stans  just cancel the first pre-order and purchase the actual complete album?

There are multiple users on this site who have already admitted to purchasing over 20 copies. What's one more? 

[Green]

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

She doesn't let you CMA on her website so you have to purchase the album again to have all the tracks. 

 

Aren't most of the people buying the extra songs on itunes?

 

1	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Black Dog
2	NEW	Taylor Swift - So High School
3	NEW	Nicki Minaj - FTCU (SLEEZEMIX) [feat. Travis Scott, Chris Brown & Sexyy Red]
4	NEW	Taylor Swift - imgonnagetyouback
5	NEW	Taylor Swift - thanK you aIMee
6	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Albatross
7	NEW	Taylor Swift - Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus
8	NEW	Taylor Swift - How Did It End?
9	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Prophecy
10	NEW	Taylor Swift - I Hate It Here
11	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Manuscript
12	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Bolter
13	NEW	Taylor Swift - Cassandra
14	NEW	Taylor Swift - I Look in People's Windows
15	NEW	Taylor Swift - Peter
16	NEW	Taylor Swift - Robin

 

https://kworb.net/charts/itunes/us.html

 

All of them are higher there than her lead single

 

17

NEW

Taylor Swift - Fortnight (feat. Post Malone)

[Both Sides Now]

Breaking: TTPD to sell at least 1 (one) copy!!!

[family.guy123]

1 minute ago, Green said:

 

Aren't most of the people buying the extra songs on itunes?

 

1	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Black Dog
2	NEW	Taylor Swift - So High School
3	NEW	Nicki Minaj - FTCU (SLEEZEMIX) [feat. Travis Scott, Chris Brown & Sexyy Red]
4	NEW	Taylor Swift - imgonnagetyouback
5	NEW	Taylor Swift - thanK you aIMee
6	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Albatross
7	NEW	Taylor Swift - Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus
8	NEW	Taylor Swift - How Did It End?
9	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Prophecy
10	NEW	Taylor Swift - I Hate It Here
11	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Manuscript
12	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Bolter
13	NEW	Taylor Swift - Cassandra
14	NEW	Taylor Swift - I Look in People's Windows
15	NEW	Taylor Swift - Peter
16	NEW	Taylor Swift - Robin

 

https://kworb.net/charts/itunes/us.html

 

All of them are higher there than her lead single

 

17

NEW

Taylor Swift - Fortnight (feat. Post Malone)

No idea what most of the people are doing. Most of the people don't use iTunes. 

[Squall]

I hope it's not the real HDD thread? Because these are just random pre-release predictions  

[PurrKaty]

23 minutes ago, Green said:

 

Aren't most of the people buying the extra songs on itunes?

 

1	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Black Dog
2	NEW	Taylor Swift - So High School
3	NEW	Nicki Minaj - FTCU (SLEEZEMIX) [feat. Travis Scott, Chris Brown & Sexyy Red]
4	NEW	Taylor Swift - imgonnagetyouback
5	NEW	Taylor Swift - thanK you aIMee
6	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Albatross
7	NEW	Taylor Swift - Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus
8	NEW	Taylor Swift - How Did It End?
9	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Prophecy
10	NEW	Taylor Swift - I Hate It Here
11	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Manuscript
12	NEW	Taylor Swift - The Bolter
13	NEW	Taylor Swift - Cassandra
14	NEW	Taylor Swift - I Look in People's Windows
15	NEW	Taylor Swift - Peter
16	NEW	Taylor Swift - Robin

 

https://kworb.net/charts/itunes/us.html

 

All of them are higher there than her lead single

 

17

NEW

Taylor Swift - Fortnight (feat. Post Malone)

Not Taylor having 31 of the top 50 songs on iTunes lmaooo

 

And 53 of the top 100 songs on iTunes

[PurrKaty]

24 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said:

Breaking: TTPD to sell at least 1 (one) copy!!!

I just bought a copy, so I think she's up to 2 copies sold now!!  

[Kitboga]

1 hour ago, PopFan1996 said:

I feel like using 1989 TV as a data to predict this album's debut is inaccurate. 

Her numbers are heavily coming from stans and not the GP. So even if it's a re-recording, it won't sell much further from a studio album.

I could be wrong tho, but I don't see it outselling 1989 TV by a big margin. (over 1M)  It will outstream tho, but streams do not provide much units. It could outstream1989 TV by 250M in the week and that would provide just an extra 250k units.


Insane numbers nonetheless

you seem to be very confused. 

 

1. there is no "gp" or fan base diiference with her audience. maybe with certain smaller artists with low streaming numbers but slightly higher sales you could use this dimwit term, but not for someone doing record streaming numbers and miillion of sales. know the difference between a small time artist kept afloat by a fanbase and one listened to by hundread millions. 

 

2. she has already outsold 1989tv by a large margin given the tracked target preorders. 1989TV was was at 85k prior to release. TTPD had 250k. no need to do mental gymnastics about this.

 

3. TTPD will outstream 1989TV by a lot more than 250M. in fact, given how huge her srreams are right now, her SEAs will probably help her cross 3M.

[Kool_Aid_King]

This is for sure doing over 2M. I can see it doing 2.5-3M if she releases more versions and more tracks (Which she is known to do)

[PopFan1996]

26 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

you seem to be very confused. 

 

1. there is no "gp" or fan base diiference with her audience. maybe with certain smaller artists with low streaming numbers but slightly higher sales you could use this dimwit term, but not for someone doing record streaming numbers and miillion of sales. know the difference between a small time artist kept afloat by a fanbase and one listened to by hundread millions. 

 

2. she has already outsold 1989tv by a large margin given the tracked target preorders. 1989TV was was at 85k prior to release. TTPD had 250k. no need to do mental gymnastics about this.

 

3. TTPD will outstream 1989TV by a lot more than 250M. in fact, given how huge her srreams are right now, her SEAs will probably help her cross 3M.

My point is they're going to be the same people that bought 1989 TV or Midnights.. 

And ofc it should outstream, it has 31 songs. I predicted 220-250M streams.

600k US streaming  units
1,5M pure sales + TEA

2,1M total

I could still be wrong since the fandom said they are buying 20+ copies so there's lots of mass-buying happening. So it's all volatile


I rest my case

Edited April 19 by PopFan1996

[Raspberries]

Updated. 2M+

 

https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=340889&title=PUNDITS-SAY-POETS-WILL-DO-2M+

[Hunter_13]

2M being the lowest predicted already