charts discussion HDD: 'TORTURED POETS' to debut at #1 with 2.60M units | 1.92M pure sales & 671k SEA

[family.guy123]

You must be joking 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_(Beatles_album)

[family.guy123]

You must be joking 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_(Beatles_album)

[ForgottenSoul]

4 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

You must be joking 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_(Beatles_album)

 

Is stupidity a normal thing for people who try to make points against Taylor success? 

 

Edited April 23 by ForgottenSoul

[UnusualBoy]

Y'all are obnoxious, both numbers cannot be really comparable because there are clear things that make them different: the sales declining, streaming exploding, the variants, one album not being on streaming, so instead of jumping at each other's throats over this, we should be happy that 2 of our girls will prevail over men and hold the 2 biggest debuts ever. 

[Xpress2019]

2 hours ago, SMGOwnsTheNight said:

I think Adele's achievement is colossal and will never be touched but what I meant by Taylor's "peak" is her huge numbers the last 4 years despite consistent releases. Taylor won't touch Adele's one week record

Yeah what Taylor did last year into this year, sorry but no Adele era has come close. The tour, the demand for everything, breaking records etc. Taylor IS the standard. 

[Iñakifan]

There's something about Taylor that makes her haters seem even more unhinged over time. Are people really gonna pretend that this is a bad number?

[Mike91]

8 minutes ago, Xpress2019 said:

Yeah what Taylor did last year into this year, sorry but no Adele era has come close. The tour, the demand for everything, breaking records etc. Taylor IS the standard. 

You must not have lived through the 21/25 eras then.  Adele was easily at that level, she just didn't take advantage of it - which is what's important to point out. She could have easily had the biggest tours of all time if she wanted.

 

Taylor has milked every inch of her success while Adele pretty much went into hiding during her peaks. 

[Both Sides Now]

Considering I considered 1M+ debuts were dead when Lover and 30 failed to hit it, it's pretty hilarious to see a 2M+ debut downplayed 

[SMGOwnsTheNight]

3 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

You must not have lived through the 21/25 eras then.  Adele was easily at that level, she just didn't take advantage of it - which is what's important to point out. She could have easily had the biggest tours of all time if she wanted.

 

Taylor has milked every inch of her success while Adele pretty much went into hiding during her peaks. 

Would've, could've, should've (just kidding) but we'll never know…

 

I think the intrigue around Taylor's persona is a big part of what has happened the last couple of years and I don't think Adele had that. I think she could've matched the numbers but not the cultural relevance 

[Gov Hooka]

Insane numbers. Renaissance deserved this

[Raspberries]

2 hours ago, so_fetch said:

What a troll. You can declare this as an amazing achievement for Taylor but she is not even close to Adele's peak. 

She is bigger than Adele's peak  She made $1 billion from 60 shows while moving 50M+ album units worldwide. No one else is ever doing that 

[Raspberries]

16 minutes ago, Iñakifan said:

There's something about Taylor that makes her haters seem even more unhinged over time. Are people really gonna pretend that this is a bad number?

It pretty much boils down to stans being mad that their fave will never see this success. Every time we think Taylor has peaked, she outdoes herself while her peers (Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, etc) have either all faded musically or have retired 

Edited April 23 by Raspberries

[Raspberries]

10 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

You must not have lived through the 21/25 eras then.  Adele was easily at that level, she just didn't take advantage of it - which is what's important to point out. She could have easily had the biggest tours of all time if she wanted.

 

Taylor has milked every inch of her success while Adele pretty much went into hiding during her peaks. 

And whose fault is that? It's not our fault Adele is extremely lazy for a pop star. She can't barely even complete a few shows a month without having to cancel or postpone  

[Mike91]

2 minutes ago, SMGOwnsTheNight said:

Would've, could've, should've (just kidding) but we'll never know…

 

I think the intrigue around Taylor's persona is a big part of what has happened the last couple of years and I don't think Adele had that. I think she could've matched the numbers but not the cultural relevance 

She absolutely had that.  Even in her "flop" era her television special alone drew 10 million viewers. And we would know, because her arena tour during 25 immediately sold out and they kept having to add shows. Look at her Australian stadium dates where was playing to nearly 100k people a night. Again, she just never took advantage of her popularity. 

 

Nevertheless, people shouldn't use one to discredit the other. One craves the attention and success she gets (and there's nothing wrong with that) while the other actively runs away from it. Comparing the two is stupid because both approach fame completely differently. 

[Mike91]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

And whose fault is that? It's not our fault Adele is extremely lazy for a pop star. She can't barely even complete a few shows a month without having to cancel or postpone  

Who said it was your fault? What are you even talking about?  I'm just pointing out that Adele was on that level.

 

As for cancelling shows, Adele is a vocalist. Her voice is pretty much the act so if she's sick or has issues with it, it's probably smart to avoid risking permanent damage to it like other singers in that past have done. Of course, some wouldn't understand that...

[JasonGosling]

Those who compared TTPD with 25 are probably TS haters.

 

[Clauss]

Why so much talking to the lady with age-named-albums in a TS topic? Stay on topic, we love consistency!!

[JasonGosling]

TTPD will not match 25 in terms of first-week sales. I am more interested if TTPD surpasses No Strings Attached for the first-week number

[Jamie Starr]

16 hours ago, mrpartyrocker said:

I don't think you get the point. Back then the music was consumed differently and people were more devoted to it. The fact that Taylor does this all alone and brought back those times is far more impressive, at least to me. 

Taylor didn't bring back those times. Those artists achieved those crazy numbers organically, not with bundles and gimmicks.

Edited April 23 by Jamie Starr

[mrpartyrocker]

Just now, Jamie Starr said:

Taylor didn't bring back those times. Those artists achieved those crazy numbers organically, not with bundles or any gimmicks.

Because back then it was the only way to consume music, whereas today you are one click away from listening to an album without having to pay for it. If anything, it's more impressive to sell physical albums in 2024 than it was back then. 

[rzal]

6 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said:

Because back then it was the only way to consume music, whereas today you are one click away from listening to an album without having to pay for it. If anything, it's more impressive to sell physical albums in 2024 than it was back then. 

Her streaming numbers are comparable to massive sales of the past but physical music sales is basically merch right now. 90% of these records are just collecting dust and rarely get played  

[fridayteenage]

13 minutes ago, rzal said:

Her streaming numbers are comparable to massive sales of the past but physical music sales is basically merch right now. 90% of these records are just collecting dust and rarely get played  

I always have a cd in my car and hit play every week

[rzal]

Just now, fridayteenage said:

I always have a cd in my car and hit play every week

Good for you but  most new cars don't even have CD players anymore

[Simondus]

50 minutes ago, rzal said:

Her streaming numbers are comparable to massive sales of the past but physical music sales is basically merch right now. 90% of these records are just collecting dust and rarely get played  

and on top of that her physicals are mainly vinyl which cost around 50$. 💀

[Glam]

5 hours ago, Raspberries said:

She is bigger than Adele's peak  She made $1 billion from 60 shows while moving 50M+ album units worldwide. No one else is ever doing that 

I'm not sure about that. I feel like Taylor's fanbase is the biggest ever, but Adele had more GP appeal worldwide during 21. Taylor sells a huge amount of copies first week but then in the long run the multiplier is like X3 compared to first week sales. I really don't think TTPD is bigger than 21, BOMT or The Fame (Monster).

 

Either way the fact that Taylor has this level of hype and success nearly 20 years into her career proves she's probably the biggest solo artist ever, after only Michael Jackson. Surely her music has become more fan-centric and less appealing on a wide level, but that's pretty normal with artists that have been in the game for a while.