charts discussion HDD: 'TORTURED POETS' to debut at #1 with 2.60M units | 1.92M pure sales & 671k SEA

[cat1867]

16 minutes ago, NoName said:

Well, people might be in Christmas spirit (although most aren't at all) by November 20, but neither the radio stations or most buildings have Christmas decorations around that time and most people do NOT buy Christmas presents that early. 

Yes they do. It's why Taylor and Adele usually released in that time frame.

 

However, the biggest Christmas time boost is the week after which had Black Friday the biggest shopping day in the USA. 

 

 

Of course, reducing Adele's sales to Christmas sales is reductive. Taylor has also benefited significantly from Christmas sales.

 

[NoName]

8 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Stop talking about Adele's bloated record already. 25 had 1.7M physical sales. The rest were 1.8M iTunes digitals. If 25 dropped today, these 1.8M digital peoples would be streaming instead, and that probably translates into 200k or so SEAs instead. No reason to compare Taylor to this. 

If Adele released today she'd have multiple variants and huge vinyl sales since they've exploded since 2015. And she'd still have the older crowd buy her CDs because she catered to them as well AND Hello's streams would be incorporated into her first week as well (just like Anti-Hero or Fortnight is) and since that song broke records, released on the same day as the album would've also caused sh!tloads of units as well. 

 

21 was a bigger album than any Taylor album including Midnights so of course her follow-up would do more than TTPD. It isn't even a bad thing that TTPD wasn't as hyped as Adele's album because it'll still be the second-biggest debut ever 

[enchanted0]

17 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Stop talking about Adele's bloated record already. 25 ONLY had 1.7M physical sales. The rest were 1.8M iTunes digitals.
 

 

If 25 dropped today, these 1.8M digital people would be streaming instead, and that probably translates into 200k or so SEAs instead. No reason to compare Taylor to this. 

Exactly.

[georgechxng]

25 was a one in a lifetime event. there is no reason or need to downplay it to try to convince yourselves otherwise, it was the follow up to the most popular album of the century. 2nd biggest debut ever is nothing small to brag about. 

[Kitboga]

59 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

 

21 was a bigger album than any Taylor album including Midnights so of course her follow-up would do more than TTPD. It isn't even a bad thing that TTPD wasn't as hyped as Adele's album because it'll still be the second-biggest debut ever 

Honey 1989 will overtake 21 in sales in like a few months. And given mids is 17M in 18 months, TTPD will be too, so not only Taylor will have 1 album above 21 but she'll also have 2 other albums above 25 in a few years. Also, both mids and TTPD finished and will finish at more countries at #1 than any Adele albums
 

 

[Kitboga]

31 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

25 was a one in a lifetime event. there is no reason or need to downplay it to try to convince yourselves otherwise, it was the follow up to the most popular album of the century. 2nd biggest debut ever is nothing small to brag about. 

 

1 hour ago, NoName said:

it'll still be the second-biggest debut ever 

Yea that's why i think we should all stick to talking about the topic at hand, for the "adele Stan" to stop bringing her/his fave  into the conversation any further please. 

[anti-bitch]

57 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Stop talking about Adele's bloated record already. 25 ONLY had 1.7M physical sales. The rest were 1.8M iTunes digitals.
 

 

If 25 dropped today, these 1.8M digital people would be streaming instead, and that probably translates into 200k or so SEAs instead. No reason to compare Taylor to this. 

 

38 minutes ago, enchanted0 said:

Exactly.

If it was so easy to sell that many full price digital albums back in 2015 then why was nobody else doing it? And I said before at "Kitboga" that Spotify was much smaller deal in 2015, especially among the older demographic that you know Adele appeals to. It was mostly people 30+ years old buying the album and most of them still would have done it even if it was on Spotify because they had not signed up to the service yet. And you could argue even itunes albums purchase was something that more older people did at that point. And the first week sales is not the most impressive part of 25, but the fact that it sold 8 million pure sales in a couple of months in US and the same amount abroad as well. And never forget 21 was even bigger than 25, it just happened over a longer period of time. What happened with 30 does not diminish what Adele achieved between 2011-2016 in United States, especially considering she's British.

 

I wish you guys could celebrate Taylor's success without trying to tear other artists down. Taylor and Adele's sales are coming from totally different people and age groups.

[family.guy123]

When did 25 go on presale

[Sannie]

The attempts to downplay Adele's monumental numbers because Taylor failed to match them with all the different tricks and variations.  

[PurrKaty]

6 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Honey 1989 will overtake 21 in sales in like a few months. And given mids is 17M in 18 months, TTPD will be too, so not only Taylor will have 1 album above 21 but she'll also have 2 other albums above 25 in a few years. Also, both mids and TTPD finished and will finish at more countries at #1 than any Adele albums
 

 

I don't think the person you replied to was trying to discredit Taylor. Saying this as a bigger Tay fan than Adele. They were just stating that for the time Adele was at the top. Adele is still holding the record debut wise, but Taylor has the debut and years upon years of longevity always. Yes Tay's numbers over the years is greater than Adele's but we shouldn't discredit Adele nor be arguing over Tay's current invincible dominance atm  

[anti-bitch]

1 minute ago, family.guy123 said:

When did 25 go on presale

4 weeks before album release date, after the Hello drop

[Dula Peep]

Adele had what? One Target exclusive? Let's not compare the two…. 

[vuelve88]

5 minutes ago, Sannie said:

The attempts to downplay Adele's monumental numbers because Taylor failed to match them with all the different tricks and variations.  

Gaga fans hiding behind Adele 
 

[anti-bitch]

15 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Also, both mids and TTPD finished and will finish at more countries at #1 than any Adele albums

Because there's more charts available these days than a decade ago?? And even comparing streaming era charts to pure sales charts is not really objective. You know Adele's listeners don't listen to her as obsessively as swifties do to Taylor, so that deffo shows up in the daily streams. Plus that Taylor now has nearly 10x the amount of songs available on Spotify compared to Adele. But next time Adele releases something, you will see a massive boost to her catalog (like in 2021) because her streams come in waves rather than constant flow.

[wastedpotential]

Y'all realize that the Billboard sales update from today is so small because Taylor's team didn't report any of the pre-sale shipments that have happened since Monday, right? Not even close to everything has been shipped out, they've just not told Billboard where things are currently. The vinyl numbers only jumped 100k because that's what got reported from Target, and nothing else new was given. The rest of the increase came from the quantifiably observable streaming figures. We probably won't find out where the numbers are until next week with the BB200 release, unless someone leaks info to HDD 

[Strawberry Bubble]

10 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Y'all realize that the Billboard sales update from today is so small because Taylor's team didn't report any of the pre-sale shipments that have happened since Monday, right? Not even close to everything has been shipped out, they've just not told Billboard where things are currently. The vinyl numbers only jumped 100k because that's what got reported from Target, and nothing else new was given. The rest of the increase came from the quantifiably observable streaming figures. We probably won't find out where the numbers are until next week with the BB200 release, unless someone leaks info to HDD 

Humm, so this is the reason she always surprises everyone with her numbers lol

[georgechxng]

48 minutes ago, Kitboga said:

Honey 1989 will overtake 21 in sales in like a few months. And given mids is 17M in 18 months, TTPD will be too, so not only Taylor will have 1 album above 21 but she'll also have 2 other albums above 25 in a few years. Also, both mids and TTPD finished and will finish at more countries at #1 than any Adele albums
 

 

i mean no shade to taylor, she's doing fantastic but this is just innacurate. 21 has great recurrent streams. it isn't getting surpassed anytime soon. not that it matters anyway since 21 has +30m pure sales. also 21 is the album with most #1s in official charts across the globe ever since thriller so that's also a lie. trying to downplay the success of that album is crazy. 

Edited April 23 by georgechxng

[Strawberry Bubble]

Why is it that everyone becomes an Adele fan as soon as Taylor releases something new?

[Funnyfatty]

53 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

i mean no shade to taylor, she's doing fantastic but this is just innacurate. 21 has great recurrent streams. it isn't getting surpassed anytime soon. not that it matters anyway since 21 has +30m pure sales. also 21 is the album with most #1s in official charts across the globe ever since thriller so that's also a lie. trying to downplay the success of that album is crazy. 

Thats why everyone hates that fanbase. 
 

You fave is NOT surpassing that number.

 

I remember when 25 was released back then. Everyone was like "this would have debuted with 8m sales if this was released in 1980s" and bich it doesn't work like that. 
 

 

[The Music Industry]

49 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said:

Why is it that everyone becomes an Adele fan as soon as Taylor releases something new?

Who else do you want them to hide behind? They have nothing left but decade-old Adele stats

[family.guy123]

She is going to break the record and then update her RIAA certifications on Monday. I can feel it. 

[DoubleRainbow!]

Why are some users trying to belittle Adele's achievements? 

[Anomaly]

48 minutes ago, DoubleRainbow! said:

Why are some users trying to belittle Adele's achievements? 

I'm wondering how old they are tbh. Because I genuinely have a hard time believing that anybody who was old enough in 2015 to fully experience the release of 25 would be belittling it. The release was pandemonium.

 

[Eternal220]

3 hours ago, vuelve88 said:

Gaga fans hiding behind Adele 
 

Not like they can use BTW first week numbers with the * 

[so_fetch]

Okay Swifites who are belittling Adele's groundbreaking achievement, you need to sit down and be educated.

 

When 25 was released, it was a pandemonium, the whole world wanted a taste of the album, from all walks of life, across all ages, all parts of the world.

 

This Tortured album is a fantastic achievement for Taor but it does not even come close to the impact and gravity that 25 created.