ugo Posted April 4 Posted April 4 5 hours ago, Jay07 said: Pop stars singing their own songs for "authenticity" has been a thing since the 60s. I literally have no clue what you're talking about. People still mention the music factories of the 60s and 70s as opposed to artists who wrote their own stuff like Stevie Wonder who were majorly lauded for it. Like, be serious. janet was not singing her songs though- 3
Jay07 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 10 minutes ago, ugo said: janet was not singing her songs though- ....what? 5 1
dirrtydiana Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, ugo said: janet was not singing her songs though- The ignorance jumped out. @mods we beg you to please set up a mandatory pop music and culture test at registration and only allow accounts to people who pass it. Even if you're referring to her first 2 albums her dad made her record, she didn't break out until her third album when she started writing and making the music she wanted OT: 1 1 3
stevyy Posted April 5 Posted April 5 I think her stans are her legacy first and foremost. The devotion to the point of self-destruction... was certainly somewhat new in the modern times. 2
?????? Posted April 5 Posted April 5 She won AOTY 3 different times for 3 different genres, that alone is a real f***** legacy... to leave! Also music industry wise she's definitely showed that you can turn any masters situation around in your favour, advocated for fairer streaming payout, etc.
Popular Post The Music Industry Posted April 5 Popular Post Posted April 5 There's a few good posts in here between all of the brain rot and attempted circle jerk. A few points add to this discussion: Taylor Swift is the modern-day music artist with the most university courses dedicated to her career, music, storytelling and legacy. The list of colleges/universities offering courses about her include but isn't limited to Stanford, Harvard, Berkeley, the University of Philippines, New York University, the University of Texas, the University of Delaware, the University of Florida, Brigham Young University, Rice University, Penn State University, Northeastern University, Ghent University and the Berklee College of Music. No artist in modern day history has a bigger legacy and impact than her when it comes to the importance of music ownership. This should quite honestly be the most obvious point of it all. Her masters dispute is the most popularized music ownership issue of the 21st century, and has inspired many artists to either negotiate better contracts to own their work or re-record their previous projects. To this day, her dispute is still being referenced by politicians when discussing the broader issue of artists' rights, private equity and industry ethics. She's single-handedly impacting ticketing practices like no artist ever did before. The legacy of the Taylor-TicketMaster controversy can't be understated, and is ongoing right now. There have been countless bills and legislations presented and/or adopted on a state level, federal level and internationally following the debacle. Her tour recently became a huge political issue in Southeast Asia over her exclusivity deal with Singapore, to the point where it became a contentious topic in recent elections. Taylor contributed to the country music revival more than any other artist. She reshaped the way country music is being made in the 21st century. There are multiple studies that outline how more young people listened to country music because of Taylor Swift, and about how sales for guitars went up because of her. Taylor is one of the main contributor of Poptimism. There are countless critics, artists, producers and music experts who keep repeating it, yet for a weird reason ATRL thinks they know better than actual music industry insiders who live and breathe music for a living. Taylor's impact on songwriting and on singer-songwriters becoming so prevalent again cannot be understated. Dozens upon dozens of artists have cited her as one of their main inspirations, and in the years to come, more and more upcoming artists will also inevitably claim the same thing given the chokehold she still has in the industry. Her fandom, and her fan service more broadly, is 1000% part of her huge legacy. With years of worldbuilding and fan bonding, she quite literally created a subculture within the pop culture dedicated to her life and music in a way no other artists did. And... yes! Her hiding easter eggs for her fans for a decade now contributed to this. There are many artists now trying to mimick a parasocial relationship like she has created with Swifties, or hide easter eggs to gain interest with fans, or doing listening parties à la secret sessions. She clearly has a legacy in the way artists now try to build their relationship with their fans and trying to deny it is ludicrous. From her music to her look to her personality and career journey, Taylor embodies the American symbol more than practically anyone in pop culture, and that is part of her legacy. Whether you like it or not, she's a quintessential American success story, moving to Nashville at 14 to become a country star and dominated the genre at a very young age, and making country pop music more global and accessible than it arguably ever was before among younger generations and outside of America. Her then switching to pop only elevated her stardom and status in the public eye. When you ask someone from outside the United States to name of an American star, Taylor Swift is very often one of the first answers. So... I question the logic and sanity of anyone who genuinely believes Taylor Swift, the biggest artist of the 21st century by far, has little to no legacy 12 7 2 1
Cruel Summer Posted April 5 Posted April 5 It's kind of funny that some people are still pretending that her literally unprecedented success isn't already indicative of having a strong legacy. You don't have to like her, her fans, her music, her success, her dancing, her singing, or what she stands for or represents or whatever else to see the mark she's left (or to admit how successful she actually is). She doesn't have to be the first or most talented person ever to do what she does to have a legacy. Her legacy will be evident in influencing generations of fans and other artists, making some sort of difference in their lives. She's inspired millions of people in one way or another, she's meaningfully shifted the narrative around industry issues like masters ownership, and she's widely recognized at being very good at her core discipline of songwriting (no matter how many posts on ATRL pretend otherwise). And really, that's literally all it's ever been about in music - people listening and connecting meaningfully with the material. There is, believe it or not, a reason she's by far the biggest artist in the world nearly eighteen years into her career. 13
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 hour ago, stevyy said: I think her stans are her legacy first and foremost. The devotion to the point of self-destruction... was certainly somewhat new in the modern times. Omggggggg 1
Kill Me Posted April 5 Posted April 5 3 hours ago, stevyy said: I think her stans are her legacy first and foremost. The devotion to the point of self-destruction... was certainly somewhat new in the modern times. Is it? We have 50 year olds like you still being active for DECADES in multiple forums and spamming useless stats from 4 decades ago for a hasbeen who hasn't been relevant since 2005(that was 20 years ago). 11 2
Mandalay Posted April 5 Posted April 5 14 hours ago, Miss Americana said: I know that gays love to live in their own bubble. But this is 2024 and those shitty no1curr songs are played by noone but bald aging gays who love to spam their broken down VCR players to evoke nostalgia and live their heydays in the 2000s... Like wtf is a "Stronger" anyways? Britney was a talentless ******** who got extremely lucky with 2 hit songs meanwhile Taylor is the only female artist whose entire discography is consumed by the GP like she is a rock legend from the 60s. Even Madonna couldn't do this despite staying relevant all those years. What is this bible-thumping post? 1
ATRL Moderator wehavetostan Posted April 5 ATRL Moderator Posted April 5 10 hours ago, stevyy said: name 1. Other acts who cited Swift as an influence include: 5 Seconds of Summer[351] Gracie Abrams[352] Adele[353] Baby Queen[352] Bahjat[354] Kelsea Ballerini[355] Priscilla Block[356] Phoebe Bridgers[352] Bailey Bryan[357] Camila Cabello[358] Sabrina Carpenter[359] Sofia Carson[360] The Chainsmokers[361] Clairo[352] Gus Dapperton[352] Daya[362] Billie Eilish[363] Ellis[364] Fletcher[365] Gayle[352] Girl in Red[366] Selena Gomez[367] Ellie Goulding[368] Mckenna Grace[369] Conan Gray[352] Loren Gray[370] Griff[352] Halsey[371] Maya Hawke[372] Niall Horan[373] Huh Yun-jin[374] Lilas Ikuta[375] Jax[376] Ruston Kelly[364] Kim Chae-won[377] Laufey[378] Little Mix[379] Atsuko Maeda[380] Catherine McGrath[353] Tate McRae[381] Shawn Mendes[382] Maren Morris[383] The National[384] Nina Nesbitt[385] Niki[386] Finneas O'Connell[387] Christina Perri[388] Maisie Peters[352] The Regrettes[389] Renforshort[132] Freya Ridings[390] Olivia Rodrigo[352] Maggie Rogers[391] Ruann[392] Ruth B.[393] Rina Sawayama[394] Shamir[364] Troye Sivan[352] Slayyyter[395] Soccer Mommy[396] Hailee Steinfeld[397] Tegan and Sara[398] Tzuyu[399] The Vamps[400] Hana Vu[364] Wild Pink[364] Hayley Williams[401] 3 4
Sabrina Carpenter Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) yawn another thread to diminish Taylor's success/legacy Taylor will remain superior, in every aspect (maybe except her vocal abilities), to your faves you losers crying in this thread will never change that Edited April 5 by Sabrina Carpenter 2 2 1
Finkypop Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Being the biggest artist of all time with one of the greatest discographies of all time as well. 1
PoisonedIvy Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, unclefloprry said: Nothing tbh she's a non factor outside the US And yet her non US tour dates are about to wipe the floor with basically everyone that isn't Coldplay or Madonna 1
Arrows Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Some light reading for y'all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift
stevyy Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 hours ago, Miss Americana said: Is it? We have 50 year olds like you still being active for DECADES in multiple forums and spamming useless stats from 4 decades ago for a hasbeen who hasn't been relevant since 2005(that was 20 years ago). point proven: self-destructive. thank you. 2
Into The Void Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) On 4/4/2024 at 8:49 AM, JO1s said: The Madonna fans trying to clock when it's only a matter of when not if Taylor surpasses her in sales and that will be done before this decade is over. So what ur saying is Madonna is still the best selling female artist. When Taylor surpasses her she can have the title but that hasn't happened yet therefor it's false. Edited April 6 by Into The Void 1
superben Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) Being more than twice successful than the 2 people in your avi combined. Edited April 6 by superben 1 1 1
Sweetness Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 9:49 AM, JO1s said: The Madonna fans trying to clock when it's only a matter of when not if Taylor surpasses her in sales and that will be done before this decade is over. According to chartmasters
Mr.X Posted April 7 Posted April 7 On 4/4/2024 at 12:41 PM, Jay07 said: Having immense success while being one of the most unremarkable artists ever. This. Hers is a legacy of capitalism and mediocrity. 4 4
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