dussel_06 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 7 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said: do some research before embarrassing yourself like that Also Mariah can not only sing, but is also the better songwriter Says who? You? 1
vale9001 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) you see her legacy on charts now industry now pushes again singer songwriters with personal lyrics, personal stories taylor swift ended the search of new madonnas (so britney, rihanna, gaga and the 1780th madonna copies we got for 25 years after madonna)... gaga in some way moved also from a madonna to try to be a cyndy lauper. Beyoncè went on "telling her story, being intimate too". Ariana with thank you next went to this direction too and stays with that. It's not about dancing on a generic love songs cause pop by defintion was intended to be universal and generic, it's dancing if you want to dance about something personal. Taylor's impact in the music industry has been very big in the long term. Not she was the only songwriter in music but becoming the most selling artist in a world of pop machine female performers changed the prospective in the mainstream pop. Edited April 4 by vale9001 2 2 1
dussel_06 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 34 minutes ago, VerdantHue said: Songwriting is not her brand?? If you don't do your damn research before you open your big mouth. You must be slow. When you rely on personal attack rather than bringing receipts, then…… Taylor is regarded as one of the best songwriters of all time by RS magazine and other publications. Mariah meanwhile is being regarded as one of the best songwriters of all time by her FANS. 1 1
PoisonedIvy Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) Her legacy is having a catalogue of music that is under appreciated at its time by detractors but will go on to be revered and adored once her popularity dies down and they explore her discography only to realize what a large majority of us knew all along — she is a phenomenal songwriter. Edited April 4 by PoisonedIvy 4 1 1 1
newaespa Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, ugo said: mind you she didn't even write half of her songs songs???? janet sing?!
By the Water Posted April 4 Posted April 4 It's so funny how people that stan washed up fads (some of which debuted after Taylor) seem to think her career won't stand the test of time 7
Rihannito Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, dussel_06 said: Ummm. Nobody gives a f*** about Mariah being a songwriter. That's not her brand. She's one of the best vocalist of all time. No one listens to her songs to relate to her storytelling. Nobody cares about the songwriter brand in pop before Taylor. People and artists don't care if you wrote your song or not before Taylor became mega successful. Nowadays, artists like Ariana, Rihanna, Dua and the likes shamelessly insert themselves in songwriters credits just to get that industry respect that Taylor has. I mean if you earn the respect of the whole recording academy 4x, then who don't want to be like you. And not the mention being the biggest artist ever just by the songwriter brand. Even upcoming artists wanted to be a songwriter even though we all know the truth. Lol. Rihanna started having writing credits back in 2009 with Rated R, back when Taylor Swift was a nobody outside the US, back when Rihanna had 6 number ones under her belt and Taylor had none, back when there was no variants or mass buying/streaming farms. Mariah wrote her 19 number one songs and was inducted in the songwriters hall of fame in 2022. This is one of her MANY talent abilities. The bravery of it all. Edited April 4 by Rihannito 4
dussel_06 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rihannito said: Lol. Rihanna started having writing credits back in 2009 with Rated R, back when Taylor Swift was a nobody outside the US, back when Rihanna had 6 number ones under her belt and Taylor had none, back when there was no variants or mass buying/streaming farms. Mariah wrote her 19 number one songs and was inducted in the songwriters hall of fame in 2022. This is one of her MANY talent abilities. The bravery of it all. But did they inspire upcoming artists and the industry to write their own songs though? The "songwriter" brand was never popular before Taylor. Taylor made it mainstream by being just the most awarded and biggest artist of her generation, no vocals needed, no dance choreography needed, no sex, and no overthetop visuals needed. Mariah will never be as popular as she is if she hadn't that immaculate voice. And Rihanna with her beauty and Xfactor. Taylor doesn't have all those things, just the songwriter narrative. And that will be her legacy. Edited April 4 by dussel_06 2
Jay07 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) The fact that people are seriously arguing that songwriting only became important after Taylor Swift... is this the Twilight zone or are people here really 12? Michael Jackson wrote his own music. Madonna wrote her own music. Prince wrote his own music. Mariah, Lady Gaga made a big deal out of writing their own music. Artists like Britney and Rihanna who didn't write were pushed to write. Beyonce made a big deal out of writing Independent Women. THE BEATLES. David Bowie. Elton John. Like, for the love of God. Just because Taylor has nothing else going for her so her fans have to focus on her "writing" doesn't mean that songwriting wasn't important in pop music before 2005 Edited April 4 by Jay07 8
dussel_06 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 8 minutes ago, Jay07 said: The fact that people are seriously arguing that songwriting only became important after Taylor Swift... is this the Twilight zone or are people here really 12? Michael Jackson wrote his own music. Madonna wrote her own music. Prince wrote his own music. Mariah, Lady Gaga made a big deal out of writing their own music. Artists like Britney and Rihanna who didn't write were pushed to write. Beyonce made a big deal out of writing Independent Women. THE BEATLES. David Bowie. Elton John. Like, for the love of God. Just because Taylor has nothing else going for her so her fans have to focus on her "writing" doesn't mean that songwriting wasn't important in pop music before 2005 That's what happens when you make "songwriting" your brand and becomes the biggest artist of your generation and earn the respect of the music recording academy to give you 4 AOTYs. I mean, I've seen veteran artists shamelessly begging for that kind of recognition. 5 1 2 2
Jay07 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 minute ago, dussel_06 said: That's what happens when you make "songwriting" your brand and becomes the biggest artist of your generation and earn the respect of the music recording academy to give you 4 AOTYs. I mean, I've seen veteran artists shamelessly begging for that kind of recognition. Pop stars singing their own songs for "authenticity" has been a thing since the 60s. I literally have no clue what you're talking about. People still mention the music factories of the 60s and 70s as opposed to artists who wrote their own stuff like Stevie Wonder who were majorly lauded for it. Like, be serious. 4
barbiegrande Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) Being the poster girl for white American respectability. Setting back all the progress Madonna made for women to be bold, because her entire reason for success is being as palatable and non offensive as possible. Edited April 4 by barbiegrande 3 1 6
Redstreak Posted April 4 Posted April 4 23 minutes ago, Jay07 said: The fact that people are seriously arguing that songwriting only became important after Taylor Swift... is this the Twilight zone or are people here really 12? Michael Jackson wrote his own music. Madonna wrote her own music. Prince wrote his own music. Mariah, Lady Gaga made a big deal out of writing their own music. Artists like Britney and Rihanna who didn't write were pushed to write. Beyonce made a big deal out of writing Independent Women. THE BEATLES. David Bowie. Elton John. Like, for the love of God. Just because Taylor has nothing else going for her so her fans have to focus on her "writing" doesn't mean that songwriting wasn't important in pop music before 2005 It's undeniable that there's been a resurgence in highlighting oneself as a songwriter post Taylor, that doesn't mean Taylor is the first person to be known for her songwriting? 3 1 2
vale9001 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) Why are some people confusing at me telling most selling and streamed right now are olivia rodrigo billie hozier lana del rey minski ariana beyoncè and so so many others all with personal projects about their personal life... How ariana went from the first generic lyrics side projects of her career (problems, into you, side by side, bang bang ) to projects are about ariana life. Beyoncè from crazy love and i see your halo to very personal project where she's brutally honest about her personal life too? 15 years ago pop music was all about "i wanna dance all night, dance all night" and "baby i love you" ...the more you were generic the more was good. Taylor was the one in the very mainstream music (with adele, lorde and lana coming) to be personal as songwriter, something was missing after the Britneys and spice girls invasions. A kinda of pop girl star basically disapperead nowadays if not for maybe dua Lipa (and yesterday we had a thread here asking if Dua Lipa doesn't need a personal story and a narrative to be relevant now in 2024, for a reason )- And her impact by making this kind of pop music and mainstream pop projects build about the personal life of the artists (even if the music is still build for radios and anything) the strongest brands in pop music now is undeniable for anyone has very basic analytical skills Edited April 4 by vale9001 3 2
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, dussel_06 said: Ummm. Nobody gives a f*** about Mariah being a songwriter. That's not her brand. She's one of the best vocalist of all time. No one listens to her songs to relate to her storytelling. Nobody cares about the songwriter brand in pop before Taylor. People and artists don't care if you wrote your song or not before Taylor became mega successful. Nowadays, artists like Ariana, Rihanna, Dua and the likes shamelessly insert themselves in songwriters credits just to get that industry respect that Taylor has. I mean if you earn the respect of the whole recording academy 4x, then who don't want to be like you. And not the mention being the biggest artist ever just by the songwriter brand. Even upcoming artists wanted to be a songwriter even though we all know the truth. Not you making a long *** post but being wrong point after point after point... Mariah is regarded more as a vocalist because she is like the best (or top 3) vocalist of all time. Like when you are praised too high heavens for your vocals. It kinda overshadows her songwriting. Taylor is one of the biggest pop stars ever, but she has 0 vocal ability so songwriting has to be taken to the front for obvious reason. I am not saying that Mariah's songwriting is better than Taylor's or vice versa. I am just saying that you cant dismisa Mariah's sỏngwriting just like that. And Taylor is NOT the first big artist that is known for their song writing skills. The Swifties should be embarrassed for saying that out loud. Go outside and say that to someone with huge knowledge about music history and they will laugh in your face. And secondly, lmao you can say that about Dua and Rihanna but ARIANA? The one who wrote the whole critically acclaimed Eternal Sunshine album mostly by herself? Edited April 4 by duybeeGAshantiGA 3 1
G.U.Y. Posted April 4 Posted April 4 There is no need to reply to that kind of trolls. Just report each and every offensive/flamebait/trolling comment and the user will be fuming on the banland.
barbiegrande Posted April 4 Posted April 4 3 hours ago, dussel_06 said: Ummm. Nobody gives a f*** about Mariah being a songwriter. That's not her brand. She's one of the best vocalist of all time. No one listens to her songs to relate to her storytelling. Nobody cares about the songwriter brand in pop before Taylor. People and artists don't care if you wrote your song or not before Taylor became mega successful. Nowadays, artists like Ariana, Rihanna, Dua and the likes shamelessly insert themselves in songwriters credits just to get that industry respect that Taylor has. I mean if you earn the respect of the whole recording academy 4x, then who don't want to be like you. And not the mention being the biggest artist ever just by the songwriter brand. Even upcoming artists wanted to be a songwriter even though we all know the truth. This whole post is embarrassing 1
stevyy Posted April 4 Posted April 4 7 hours ago, JO1s said: Her story telling through music is almost unmatched and has inspired a lot of artists who have came after her. name 1.
stevyy Posted April 4 Posted April 4 5 hours ago, prettyinpink940 said: Being the best-selling female recording artist of all time. name 2 countries where this is true. (2 bc China)
perfillusion Posted April 4 Posted April 4 I don't get why ATRL has determined that Taylor's sales "don't matters" or that they prove she's "the McDonalds of pop." When it comes to Madonna, "she is the best selling female artist of all time" is all her stans need to say to silence any naysayers. In the endless Britney vs Xtina fights, the #1 defense Britney stans use is "she outsold her during Y2K and she outstreams her now." By this logic is it because she was serving McDonalds? All you hear about Rihanna is how high her streams are. Somehow ATRL which copes by creating its own rules of reality has warped things about Taylor where her success actually proves how LITTLE legacy she has 4
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