celeb news MNEK drags Beyoncé haters over songwriting credits

[MissedTheTrain]

16 minutes ago, Chris said:

Then who can?

 

Who wrote songs in recent memory (not from back in the days) by themselves with NO cowriter? 

Taylor has written quite a bit of her discography by herself, with no cowriter (including her entire 3rd album Speak Now)

 

 

 

On topic, who cares how many writers are on a song?  Collaboration is cool, and if the end result is good then that's all that matters.

[Lovett]

7 hours ago, The 1 said:

The difference is Nicki don't steal writing credits

 

Just beats and production credits then?

[The 1]

8 hours ago, Chris said:

Then who can?

 

Who wrote songs in recent memory (not from back in the days) by themselves with NO cowriter? 

Many

 

Lana, Katy, Taylor, Gaga, Olivia. 

 

All have solo written songs, which means they can make their own music from scratch. 

 

Others cant relate

[The 1]

2 hours ago, Lovett said:

 

Just beats and production credits then? 

This is not true according to the Nicki Minaj Base thread

 

 

She gives credit when its due

Edited April 5 by The 1

[Kristie Kuwa]

Such a tired convo. Those singer-songwriter girlies NEED their songwriting cause they LACK the voice, lets be real

 

[Lovett]

32 minutes ago, The 1 said:

This is not true according to the Nicki Minaj Base thread

 

She gives credit when its due

Well if the Nicki Minaj Base thread says it's true...

 

[The 1]

2 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Such a tired convo. Those singer-songwriter girlies NEED their songwriting cause they LACK the voice, lets be real

 

Mariah disagrees. You can have a great voice and songwriting abilities. Others needs 100 co writers to make music

Edited April 5 by The 1

[Kristie Kuwa]

45 minutes ago, The 1 said:

Mariah disagrees. You can have a great voice and songwriting abilities. Others needs 100 co writers to make music

Wow, 1 out of how many? And Mariah cannot hold a candle to Beyonces performance skills and Beys versatility as a singer. Shes a great balladeer (one of the greatest), but versatile? Not so much 

Edited April 5 by Kristie Kuwa

[justin.]

Some of the people who "write their own songs" could use a few cowriters, and that's all I'm going to say 

 

People act like Beyonce sits in the corner of a writing session like a house plant contributing no input. We all know she's a perfectionist, so she absolutely contributes before laying vocals on anything. 

[Monkey_Juice]

It's simple...

 

Stop comparing her to MJ 

 

When she needs 20 songwriters to create one mid album.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lovett]

17 minutes ago, Monkey_Juice said:

It's simple...

 

Stop comparing her to MJ 

 

When she needs 20 songwriters to create one mid album.

 

Beyoncé: The Greatest Performer of All Time

 

[Kill Me]

On 4/4/2024 at 5:32 AM, feelslikeadream said:

We don't know how much Beyonce contributed to each and every song she's credited on, but it's perfectly fair to question if her contributions are substantive or if she's slapping her name on the song for money, awards, etc.

We actually do...

Demoes from the songwriting camps leak after a while and we can piece the rest through interviews and other ****.

6 inch:

 

Hold Up:

 

Daddy Lessons:

 

Sandcastles:

 

PYCYM:

 

Love Drought:

 

Formation:

the beat was intended for Miley Cyrus. Rae Sremmurd wrote the entire first verse and hook.

 

[Monkey_Juice]

45 minutes ago, Lovett said:

Beyoncé: The Greatest Performer of All Time

 

Beyonce: Queen of stealing writing credits

 

[Lovett]

2 minutes ago, Monkey_Juice said:

Beyonce: Queen of stealing writing credits

 

Not according to any of the writers/producers/creatives who work with her.

 

 

I see why you're mad.

[Monkey_Juice]

2 minutes ago, Lovett said:

Not according to any of the writers/producers/creatives who work with her.

 

 

I see why you're mad.

Not according to the numerous law suites against her for stealing

 

 

I'm mad that songwriters give her publishing for songs her ass did not write.

 

 

[ShouldersSideways]

26 minutes ago, Monkey_Juice said:

Beyonce: Queen of stealing writing credits

 

So is she stealing or are there too many names in the credits?

[Lovett]

3 minutes ago, Monkey_Juice said:

Not according to the numerous law suites against her for stealing

 

 

I'm mad that songwriters give her publishing for songs her ass did not write.

And how did those lawsuits go?

 

 

You're certainly mad.

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, ShouldersSideways said:

So is she stealing or are there too many names in the credits?

They can NEVER answer that

 

[Chris]

On 4/4/2024 at 6:19 AM, Ponzi said:

Right? Like what's the point in being a songwriter if the lyrics suck 

  

[Chris]

2 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

They can NEVER answer that

 

She is stealing credits from Jon even though he didn't write one word.

 

[dumbsparce]

Would mrs MNEK be celebrating her perfect score in a math test if they were allowed to cheat, have open books, access to their phone and 4 more classmates assisting them?

[swissman]

On 4/5/2024 at 7:47 AM, The 1 said:

Many

 

Lana, Katy, Taylor, Gaga, Olivia. 

 

All have solo written songs, which means they can make their own music from scratch. 

 

Others cant relate

But we also have to consider the type of artists they are, and how they work.

 

Beyoncé grew up in and debuted with a girl group, a very collaborative way of working. It is just natural to her to work with others. And I would venture to argue that Beyoncé is also more generous in crediting people than a lot of her peers, considering there are several non-songwriters who have many writing credits on her music (such as her former assistant) who simply were in the studio and offered words that went into the final piece (for example, there is video of Beyoncé in the studio creating Upgrade U asking "what's it called when you get a better seat on an airplane, again?" and her assistant said "upgrade". And that assistant is on the credits). Similarly, if you look at her credits, almost always the producers have writing credits too, even if they just produced it. That's because things like beat making and all that can (and should) be considered songwriting as well, and thus these people get their credits if they contribute even at all to the final product's final state as it is written.

[swissman]

14 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

Would mrs MNEK be celebrating her perfect score in a math test if they were allowed to cheat, have open books, access to their phone and 4 more classmates assisting them?

Working with others is not cheating. Are you serious here? And making an album isn't a math test, and there's a lot more that goes into it than simply knowing the right way to answer the question. An album is art and for it to be good it needs a lot more than "cheating" and "open books" and "phone access" and "classmates assisting them". Or if it were that easy it wouldn't be just Beyoncé in the pop-sphere having such back-to-back masterpieces, would it?

 

The proper analogy would actually be like: Would MNEK be celebrating a perfect score on a math project if they were allowed to work in groups? And if you've ever worked in a group project at school, you'll know how annoying that making great work is not as easy as adding more people into the mix.

 

 

Edited April 6 by swissman

[swissman]

19 hours ago, Monkey_Juice said:

Not according to the numerous law suites against her for stealing

 

 

I'm mad that songwriters give her publishing for songs her ass did not write.

 

 

Everyone has these lawsuits.

But can you name any where the person suing her won, or where they even settled out of court?

 

 

Edited April 6 by swissman

[swissman]

absolutely NO ONE has been able to answer this question:

 

If Beyoncé's success and amazingly received artistic albums are solely because she "cheats" and uses a team of songwriters and producers, why she is she the only one to have such critical and commercial success doing so? Popstars leaning on an army of songwriters have been a thing since the earliest days, and yet few, if any, have matched the kind of album-run Beyoncé has had artistically. So what makes it so different in Beyoncé's case? How is this sustainable to constantly be relying on others work? Is it just taste alone? Does no one else have taste? Are they using writers but not trying to make a good album? Or, could it be...could it just be...that you need a strong creative visionary at the helm in order to steer the project to where it needs to go, and to shape it through adding one's own writing/producing contributions into becoming a masterpiece?

 

 

A lot of this discourse is hilarious, because it's like saying The Sistine Chapel is not an impressive, major, laudable work of art just because Michelangelo didn't paint the thing entirely by himself. He had people helping, under his direction. What is not to get?

 

 

Edited April 7 by swissman