celeb news MNEK drags Beyoncé haters over songwriting credits

[toxicgenie]

For many people it's important to know the singer contributed to the song writing, because it enhances their connection or experience to the music. That is the appeal of Taylor or Mariah and artists like that. Not sure why it's hard for some people to accept this. 

 

 

Edited April 3 by toxicgenie

[QueenBLadyG]

We've gone through this discussion multiple times.... and we all know where it stems from....

 

[XXI.]

People have different talents - just because you can sing well doesn't mean you can write well. It is a bit of an unfair expectation on the artist.

 

However, I don't think a three minute pop song, which are now even shorter... 2 minutes and some seconds if we're lucky should require 5-8 writers. That to me highlights inability not creativity.

 

And I don't mean this for Beyonce - just more generally.

Edited April 3 by XXI.

[Donquizote]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

An album doesn't need over a thousand of song writers just to write the most simplest lyrics Beyonce claims to write

Spilled

[Princess Aurora]

Actually, he's got a point.

[BrandNewBrandon]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Why doesn't Beyonce write a song by herself? Why does she need more than one writer?

Beyoncé is not a good songwriter but she has good ideas. Like, she's not able to write one whole good song but she's got some catchy one-lines that work. She also changes up the melodies with some of her vocal arrangements which also counts as songwriting. 

 

She's not a good songwriter at all because a good songwriter would have written a song all by herself this many years into her career but she's got something that is good. If you were a songwriter and pitched one little line I don't think you'd be up for not being credited, even if it was just one line or note. And you have every right to. 

[Blue Monday]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Why doesn't Beyonce write a song by herself? Why does she need more than one writer?

Who the hell cares if the music is good? This imaginary litmus test is so tired and through. Just because a song has one or two writers on it doesn't make it any better or more authentic than a song with multiple writers credited and sampled. 

Edited April 3 by Blue Monday

[hallucinate]

 

OT: maybe other girls should use more writers like beyoncé‬ so their music can be interesting too

Edited April 3 by hallucinate

[QueenB]

23 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

You're acting as if I claimed she stole credits from people on CC, when I didn't say that. I simply pointed to a past history of questionable writing credits and said that IF she is still doing that kind of thing (e.g. changing one word, then being listed as a writer), then that's an issue. And if that's not the case, great! I don't really care, but am allowed to express concern based on past history

 

..... You must be looking at the wrong song, dear. Try reading again.

And it's the same in my physical album booklet too

Is there another "Smash into you" I should know about or are you going to admit you were wrong?

 

 

[Josh]

Just now, QueenB said:

And it's the same in my physical album booklet too

Is there another "Smash into you" I should know about or are you going to admit you were wrong?

 

 

 

[Chris]

I am just laughing at people assuming that just because people use one songwriter or write completely solo means it's automatically better or of quality.

 

    

[Shelter]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Is being a songwriter my profession? no but it's allegedly Beyonce's

Well you've a lot to say about something you know nothing about 

[Kh-Loud]

that user is a literal britney spear's fan lol... NVM!!

 

just nod and laugh yaaaa

[Shelter]

10 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

 

OT: maybe other girls should use more writers like beyoncé‬ so their music can be interesting too

True but If it was just about how many writers you use then J Lo would be smashing, as would others. Bey is the one releasing quality and the girlies like Josh are mad. 

[Batsy Armada]

I don't understand why Beyoncé's album credits are always under so much scrutiny, when this is fairly standard across music as a whole. You'll have artists that have the sole credit for making a song, like Prince, and you'll have other proven multi-talented artists that will still have a number of people attached to their album credits for a number of songs. Music is, often times, very much a collaborative process. And, interestingly enough, country is one of the most manufactured genres of music. Presently, many of the same people criticizing Beyoncé are the same ones enamored with country artists who are under music labels that have a literal staff of random songwriters churning out and handing over songs for these country artists to sing to where they aren't even involved in the song-making process beyond just actually singing what's being handed to them through a demo.

 

It all feels so very hypocritical and like a desperate grab just to have something to criticize Beyoncé about while being blind to how it's a common practice in music and part of the song-making process. "Songwriting" is so much more than just simply writing lyrics; it virtually encompasses the entire song-making process as a whole, from melody, instrumentation, song structure, etc. A songwriter could very well write one whole song for Beyoncé lyrically, while she goes back and actually creates the actual song structure, melody, etc., at which point she is deserving of a songwriting credit as much as the writer who actually wrote the lyrics. And that's because there's more to the song-making process than just simply writing lyrics down. And, using "Smack Into You" as an example, if Beyoncé changes "smack" to "smash," that warrants a songwriting credit; that's not the same as saying she wrote the song in its entirety herself—which I don't think she, or anyone else, has ever claimed that she did. And when you actually look into the actual meaning of words, you'll find that some are more appropriate to use than others based on their definitions and what they're generally used for expressing.

 

It's fantastic if one single artist can write, compose and produce their own music themselves. But that also doesn't mean that someone who doesn't do it all themselves is any less of an artist, when they're still ultimately doing the same things—just with a team of people, collaborating and bouncing ideas off of each other.

 

 

[hallucinate]

2 minutes ago, Shelter said:

True but If it was just about how many writers you use then J Lo would be smashing, as would others. Bey is the one releasing quality and the girlies like Josh are mad. 

oh i agree

just pointing out that having less writers is not really brag worthy if the quality isn't there

[QueenB]

13 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

Yes, good job, you posted a song The Dream wrote with Tricky that someone else (who didnt write it) sang

Now read the part of my message where I show Beyoncé isnt a credited lyricist on a song that is claimed she "stole" credits on

 

Edited April 3 by QueenB

[LOTF]

MNEK spilled and came thru with this.

The tweet he is replying to just makes me want to rip the skin off my face.

Who the f*ck are you to say how many people should or should not work in an album? We truly live in an era dominated by absolute brain rot

[Chris]

38 minutes ago, toxicgenie said:

For many people it's important to know the singer contributed to the song writing

Beyonce contributed to the song writing.

[Rotunda]

I think it's understandable if Bey not being the sole singer/songwriter on her stuff makes you think she's less of an artist. I think what's weird to me, is that some people use the music being collaborative as rationale for saying the song/album itself is bad. That doesn't compute to me. 

 

Sure it may be annoying seeing some publications falsely tout Bey as the sole genius/visionary behind Lemonade or Renaissance or Cowboy Carter, but there's also something very cool about seeing a litany of artists/songwriters/performers be over the moon when they finally get to reveal they were part of a massive project. Some of the same users who drag Beyonce for her list of contributors would have been gagging if their fav contributed to Cowboy Carter. 

 

Music can be an individual effort, but it can also be a team sport. And a lot of artists want to be on Team Beyonce. 

 

 

 

Edited April 3 by Ya Ya

[LOTF]

41 minutes ago, toxicgenie said:

For many people it's important to know the singer contributed to the song writing, because it enhances their connection or experience to the music. That is the appeal of Taylor or Mariah and artists like that. Not sure why it's hard for some people to accept this. 

 

 

And this is absolutely ridiculous. What type of mental illness do you need to have to actually give a f*ck whether a singer wrote the song or not?

[Hallad173]

2 minutes ago, LOTF said:

And this is absolutely ridiculous. What type of mental illness do you need to have to actually give a f*ck whether a singer wrote the song or not?

Its part of the parasocial relationship 😂

[hahayo]

there's no point arguing with delusional stan's who refuse to see the truth. she steals songwriting and production credits, period. always has and always will. it's a business decision, maybe not even hers personally.

 

doesn't mean she doesn't contribute, i'm sure she does because she is extremely talented but we have no way of knowing how much because she's automatically lead songwriter and producer on every single song.

 

the issue is not about an artist writing their own music, that's irrelevant. it's about lying and essentially stealing potential revenue from the pockets of talented songwriters trying to make a decent living. welcome to the music business. 

[Chris]

The only benefit of having one co-writer is that you guys split the royalties.

 

Congrats, I guess?

[Virgos Groove]

12 minutes ago, Ya Ya said:

Music can be an individual effort, but it can also be a team sport.

!!!

 

And also: songwriting... can be and is a sole job, just like singing. Just because there are artists who can do both, it doesn't mean those two things have to be intertwined.

 

If someone can write amazing songs but can't sing, should they give up on their dreams? And if someone is a Whitney-level vocalist but isn't good at writing, should they not enter the industry? It's such a rockist mindset. Music can be anything: personal or fictional, self-made or collaboratively created, etc. etc.

 

We don't slam actors for not writing their lines in movies or directors for not starring in them, because we know that, even if it has an auteur at the center, it is a collaborative effort. Why does the same not apply to music? Just because Beyoncé isn't writing every syllable in her songs, it doesn't mean she's not the auteur and main curator of her music. Everybody who has worked with her will confirm this.

Edited April 3 by Virgos Groove