SupremeGoddess Posted March 15 Posted March 15 still a homewrecker and still getting dicked down by pencil dick spongebob squarepants 7
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: The mental gymnastics I- im not condoning her behavior if she slept with him behind his wife’s back but he chose to do it. She’s not the one with children in her marriage. and again, if someone leaves/cheats on you, they were never yours and bound to do it eventually with anyone else It’s not mental gymnastics to say that criticizing someone for engaging in infidelity (either as the main party or the side party) is not inherently misogynistic. It’s also not mental gymnastics to say that users weaponizing accusations of misogyny in situations where it doesn’t apply on a forum that is largely built on comparing women is a bit laughable. 6
judasmonster Posted March 15 Posted March 15 we already knew it was a false narrative but the damage was unfortunately done already cause the gp doesnt care to use their brain..the way everyone wants her to speak up about it but in the end she knows her truth and would rather take all the bullets over the people she cares about. like she said, she wears her heart on the outside
Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 20 minutes ago, Rotunda said: The way you all strip women of their agency in these discussions in the name of calling out “misogyny” is…ironically…very infantilizing. Tea, we shouldn't infantilize Ariana here. A person who respects her would have told her a real grown woman doesn't...., handle **** through showtunes and her 5'1 ass needs to This is a joke, obviously , but any hand-wringing over Ariana's role in anything feels silly at this point given the relative silence shows she's aware that her interest in men with baggage always brings her trouble that she could have easily avoided. Yet it's not like she served this on ES: (Maybe she should have if people still feel there are still some rocks left unturned!)
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Communion said: Tea, we shouldn't infantilize Ariana here. A person who respects her would have told her a real grown woman doesn't...., handle **** through showtunes and her 5'1 ass needs to This is a joke, obviously , but any hand-wringing over Ariana's role in anything feels silly at this point given the relative silence shows she's aware that her interest in men with baggage always brings her trouble that she could have easily avoided. Yet it's not like she served this on ES: (Maybe she should have if people still feel there are still some rocks left unturned!) Personally I find it hard to care only because I operate from the assumption that the majority of people in show business either cheats, has some kind of arrangement, or has some other kind of toxicity going on in their relationships. I just think it’s odd seeing people jump through hoops to convince themselves that someone who is known for messy relationships wasn’t being messy in this one.
Bhabylon Posted March 15 Posted March 15 I’m sure the annoying man had good intentions but he shouldn’t speak on his friends personal business like that 1
dirrtydiana Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, Rotunda said: It’s not mental gymnastics to say that criticizing someone for engaging in infidelity (either as the main party or the side party) is not inherently misogynistic. It’s also not mental gymnastics to say that users weaponizing accusations of misogyny in situations where it doesn’t apply on a forum that is largely built on comparing women is a bit laughable. The only infantilization I see is of the men involved in these types of scandals. Brad pit? Angelina was the villain and on some occasions I’d see people celebrating him and bashing Jen. same with this situation. “Oh no! He has a kid! Ariana broke that home.” Like daduq? The agency you speak of also and mainly applies to him who has a child.
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: The only infantilization I see is of the men involved in these types of scandals. Brad pit? Angelina was the villain and on some occasions I’d see people celebrating him and bashing Jen. same with this situation. “Oh no! He has a kid! Ariana broke that home.” Like daduq? The agency you speak of also and mainly applies to him who has a child. And in turn you’re infantilizing her by arguing that valid criticism of messy behavior is akin to misogyny… Nobody said he doesn’t have greater culpability than her.
dirrtydiana Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Rotunda said: And in turn you’re infantilizing her by arguing that valid criticism of messy behavior is akin to misogyny… Nobody said he doesn’t have greater culpability than her. I literally said in the first post I don’t condone her behavior if she indeed cheat literally everyone accusing her of being the home wrecker is at least implying she’s the one at fault, again, as I said in my first post. What’s not clicking? Or do you just like being redundant?
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: I literally said in the first post I don’t condone her behavior if she indeed cheat literally everyone accusing her of being the home wrecker is at least implying she’s the one at fault, again, as I said in my first post. What’s not clicking? Or do you just like being redundant? one of =/= the one I only have to repeat myself because you aren’t bright. 1
Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Personally I find it hard to care only because I operate from the assumption that the majority of people in show business either cheats, has some kind of arrangement, or has some other kind of toxicity going on in their relationships. I just think it’s odd seeing people jump through hoops to convince themselves that someone who is known for messy relationships wasn’t being messy in this one. My issue is that - while obviously we don't actually know anyone's private life but that goes both ways - the messiness that has haunted her relationships is... not one rooted in infidelity. Of course other criticisms about running into relationships just to be in them or over-sharing publicly (like she did with Pete) are reasonable ones. But critical skills would tell me that TikToks claiming things like "Ariana Grande has cheated on all 10 of her boyfriends" with no evidence of such aren't.. you know... something to give credibility to. I don't think it's infantilizing her to question the internet retconning her life (explicitly because of *this* lie) as somehow plagued by rumors of cheating when it was one (!) boyfriend a decade ago and said boyfriend let alone at least publicly denied any cheating took place. It's fine to think she didn't reject an unhappy man wanting to leave his wife, especially if one thinks cheating is common with celebs. Such commonality is betrayed though when this becomes something that draws ire *uniquely* towards her, let alone when many pop girls have songs openly about cheating. It feels like it can be both true that she - like many famous people - consistently makes poor choices and that said outrage is disingenuously pushed to derail her career. Need SZA to reference this classic on the The Boy Is Mine remix though! Edited March 15 by Communion
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, Communion said: My issue is that - while obviously we don't actually know anyone's private life but that goes both ways - the messiness that has haunted her relationships is... not one rooted in infidelity. Of course other criticisms about running into relationships just to be in them or over-sharing publicly (like she did with Pete) are reasonable ones. Aside from the speculation about her time with Big Sean, yeah.
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 15 minutes ago, Communion said: It's fine to think she didn't reject an unhappy man wanting to leave his wife, especially if one thinks cheating is common with celebs. Such commonality is betrayed though when this becomes something that draws ire *uniquely* towards her, let alone when many pop girls have songs openly about cheating. It feels like it can be both true that she - like many famous people - consistently makes poor choices and that said outrage is disingenuously tred to derail her career. But yes I agree with this. Personally, I’ll make my 1-2 shady comments and then get back to streaming Supernatural because my enjoyment of Ariana isn’t clouded by what she did/didn’t do. I (potentially wrongly) do assume that something went down with her and Ethan that shouldn’t have. But I also assume this wasn’t the first thing to go wrong in Lily and Ethan’s relationship. 3
Thesedays Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 hours ago, rac7d said: He isn’t saying anything He is pretty clearly saying that the public narrative is incorrect. Of course, he isn't revealing what actually happened because it's not like it's his place to air it out.
Communion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Aside from the speculation about her time with Big Sean, yeah. I mean, yeah, where we then got Big Sean calling Naya paranoid in a diss track 7 months into his & Ariana's 9 month-long relationship: (In hindsight, I think joining your winter seasonal boyfriend on a diss track where he calls out the woman he dated for a similarly short period feels more uncouth than any speculation of messy timelines, especially given the reality that people can sadly be here one day and gone the next, but I'm sure neither Sean & Ariana look back on Research fondly and why there is very little appetite to put pen to paper and go after another woman in a similar fashion, let alone one with no celebrity to her name.)
Rotunda Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Communion said: I mean, yeah, where we then got Big Sean calling Naya paranoid in a diss track 7 months into his & Ariana's 9 month-long relationship: (In hindsight, I think joining your winter seasonal boyfriend on a diss track where he calls out the woman he dated for a similarly short period feels more uncouth than any speculation of messy timelines, especially given the reality that people can sadly be here one day and gone the next, but I'm sure neither Sean & Ariana look back on Research fondly and why there is very little appetite to put pen to paper and go after another woman in a similar fashion, let alone one with no celebrity to her name.) I can’t make Research not go off though 1
BnPac Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) Only they know what went down... However the timing remains highly suspect. The guy's kid is so young and she only filled for divorce recently, all of it appeared "wrong". I also have to admit that I sadly don't care that much, I still like her and her music. Nevertheless a man who is jumping into a relationship so soon after just having a child with another woman and a woman already being in a committed relationship so soon after announcing a divorce from a marriage that lasted around 2 years can't be ideal partners no matter how we look at it. I wish good luck and healing to everyone involved. Edited March 15 by BnPac 3 1
Prisoner Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Imagine your relationship being this publicized maybe its wrong but let a girl homewreck in peace
truthteller Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) I don’t know why Ariana would catch all the bullets while Ethan gets none when he’s the common factor in both his divorce and his relationships with Ari Edited March 15 by truthteller 1 2
qurl Posted March 15 Posted March 15 5 hours ago, katyberry said: Nothing will change until Ariana herself gets up and denies it! Enough of the riddles and just say "I did not homewreck anything" she truly doesn’t owe any of yall $h!t ….. and it’s disingenuous to infer anything would change at all even if she did; people would still have their (incorrect) assumptions about a situation they’re simply not privy to granted it’s easy bc i stan , but i just ……. like who gives a $h!t ????? all i care about is talented people sharing their talents with us. she is so immensely talented and has never really given me an indication she’s anything other than a lovely person. why would/how could i not stan ?? 2
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