Gladiator Posted June 16 Posted June 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, RadioactiveLights said: Truly the Gen Z Kylie Minogue I always felt like Dua's career will follow the same kind of general career trajectory Kylie had. She'll have longevity. All her albums will be great, despite perhaps not always charting well or as expected. She'll always have hits and bangers in the UK while occasionally have a chart topping song in the states, but she will continue to focus on the music and put out great and enjoyable bodies of work. People can say what they want about Radical Optimism, but at the end of the day its a very enjoyable album that encapsulates the feeling of a hot summer day. Edited June 16 by Gladiator 11 3
Enrique523 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Gladiator said: I always felt like Dua's career will follow the same kind of general career trajectory Kylie had. She'll have longevity. All her albums will be great, despite perhaps not always charting well or as expected. She'll always have hits and bangers in the UK while occasionally have a chart topping song in the states, but she will continue to focus on the music and put out great and enjoyable bodies of work. People can say what they want about Radical Optimism, but at the end of the day its a very enjoyable album that encapsulates the feeling of a hot summer day. People tend to forget that Kylie wasn't exactly consistently successful through her entire career, the 90s were NOT good for her commercially. People are burying Dua WAY too quickly, she can have a WW comeback with the right song. 9
DoubleRainbow! Posted June 16 Posted June 16 I'm sorry but Dua is way bigger than Kylie was at that point in her career 6
TayDuaStan Posted June 16 Posted June 16 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NostalgiawithDua said: Oh Dudu…… Oh… You know it's bad BAD when an alt khia singer that's also UK based debuts with the same amount of units as a MPG whose previous album had one of the biggest hits of all time, 2 also mega streaming hits, a huge arena tour in the US & was also one of the most stable albums on the Billboard 200… Duki, YOU'RE FIRED! This is un excusable. On other note, Warner is gonna make her work now (which is excellent news for me cuz that means no more side projects and more music). And that also means no more Danny L Harle & Kevin Parker Edited June 16 by TayDuaStan 3 1
kayliah Posted June 16 Posted June 16 I listened to falling forever yesterday its nice... i still dont like the album but im happy Warner is investing in her... im sorry but i was reading some comments like its the label fault no promo excuse me ... she had the best promo even better than Taylor swift... grammys,snl,brits, massive radio payola,top playlisting,instant radio deals,interviews,push on tik tok etc... cmon now ...falling forever is interesting and that her howling will stand out on radio... who knows atleast it might stabilise the album cuz its already out of the top 40 ...
BrokenMachine Posted June 16 Posted June 16 Imagine if she served something psychedelic like this for the deluxe version. Flop era canceled Spoiler It might be a shameless.mp3 promo for my fave band but I'd wish something like that from her anyways 1
Enrique523 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 1 hour ago, DoubleRainbow! said: I'm sorry but Dua is way bigger than Kylie was at that point in her career This is 100% true. In fact, Dua has been bigger in the US than Kylie has ever been. 3
Enrique523 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 1 hour ago, TayDuaStan said: Oh… You know it's bad BAD when an alt khia singer that's also UK based debuts with the same amount of units as a MPG whose previous album had one of the biggest hits of all time, 2 also mega streaming hits, a huge arena tour in the US & was also one of the most stable albums on the Billboard 200… Duki, YOU'RE FIRED! This is un excusable. On other note, Warner is gonna make her work now (which is excellent news for me cuz that means no more side projects and more music). And that also means no more Danny L Harle & Kevin Parker I think Radical Optimism is gonna be bigger in the long term than Brat, especially on streaming.
State of Grace. Posted June 16 Posted June 16 (edited) 26 minutes ago, TayDuaStan said: Oh… You know it's bad BAD when an alt khia singer that's also UK based debuts with the same amount of units as a MPG whose previous album had one of the biggest hits of all time, 2 also mega streaming hits, a huge arena tour in the US & was also one of the most stable albums on the Billboard 200… Duki, YOU'RE FIRED! This is un excusable. On other note, Warner is gonna make her work now (which is excellent news for me cuz that means no more side projects and more music). And that also means no more Danny L Harle & Kevin Parker Girl bye. Charli is not a "UK khia artist", she's one of the pioneers of the hyperpop genre and she's been around for a over decade. She has reached cult status and she has a very big, loyal following that she has cultivated through the years (something Dua is still doing). She's not selling out big arenas or having big hits like Dua but she's far from being an irrelevant khia artist. Also, Danny L Harle & Kevin Parker that you've been dragging this entire era remain two of the best producers out there. And their work is great on this album as well. It's not their fault Dua/her team tried to sell this album as something that it wasn't. Edited June 16 by State of Grace. 6 5
RiseAndShine Posted June 16 Posted June 16 Is Falling Forever actually the next single? With that jumpscare intro? The Wicked Witch of Albania truly needs to pay for his crimes of railroading his daughter's career and momentum. 2
mike_int Posted June 17 Posted June 17 13 hours ago, BadBoy said: Falling Forever is bad eurovision trash the europeans will love it but the rest won't even care sorry. Where are you from if I may ask? 13 hours ago, halcyonday said: well at least she can remain a European darling a'la Ava Max to even compare these two, pure delusion 11 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said: I played Falling Forever in between other songs and it honestly sounds nice. Maybe it can actually do sth on the charts? 9 hours ago, NostalgiawithDua said: Oh Dudu…… Who cares, why are you bringing this into this thread? Good for Charli with her 6th album finally have some commercial achievement but she is nowhere near the international caliber as Dua 9 hours ago, TayDuaStan said: Oh… You know it's bad BAD when an alt khia singer that's also UK based debuts with the same amount of units as a MPG whose previous album had one of the biggest hits of all time, 2 also mega streaming hits, a huge arena tour in the US & was also one of the most stable albums on the Billboard 200… Duki, YOU'RE FIRED! This is un excusable. On other note, Warner is gonna make her work now (which is excellent news for me cuz that means no more side projects and more music). And that also means no more Danny L Harle & Kevin Parker Everyday the same story, and yet here you are ... investing time and energy into something you dont like so much, complaining and whining
IBeMe Posted June 17 Posted June 17 FF (fist *******) isn't going to do a SINGLE THING for this album charts wise. It's going to maybe not even chart in the US at all yall Her best shot was These Walls and a remix of Watcha Doing. Horribly planned era but it is what it is.
mike_int Posted June 17 Posted June 17 2 hours ago, IBeMe said: FF (fist *******) isn't going to do a SINGLE THING for this album charts wise. It's going to maybe not even chart in the US at all yall Her best shot was These Walls and a remix of Watcha Doing. Horribly planned era but it is what it is. Coming here every day saying the same thing over and over again ...
Pendulum Posted June 17 Posted June 17 Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but was Falling Forever supposed to be the lead or second single? The intensity of the song and sound effects seem to match the plot of that scrapped music video, no?
mike_int Posted June 17 Posted June 17 26 minutes ago, Pendulum said: Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but was Falling Forever supposed to be the lead or second single? The intensity of the song and sound effects seem to match the plot of that scrapped music video, no? TS was suppose to be first single. I think Falling Forever was always planned as a single, also maybe contractual thing with Ian, that one of his songs needs to release as official single. I think Falling Forever fits well with Houdini,TS and Illusion as single
NostalgiawithDua Posted June 17 Posted June 17 (edited) The album didn't really make any noise, which could actually be a key to successful post album singles. But, it would be completely irrelevant if they don't promote it well…. Edited June 17 by NostalgiawithDua 1
mike_int Posted June 17 Posted June 17 (edited) 19 minutes ago, NostalgiawithDua said: The album didn't really make any noise, which could actually be a key to a successful post album singles. But, it would be completely irrelevant if they don't promote it well…. I think they are really counting on boost after Glastonbury performance Edited June 17 by mike_int
jomarr Posted June 17 Posted June 17 I'm down with Falling Forever. I absolutely love this song and she has nothing to lose anyway. Release this. The album went horribly commercially, any saving grace could have been done during the release of the first three singles. The GP didn't want it, then just move on and continue with the tour. Release this then These Walls or Whatcha Doin' Q4 2024 (or any other song just to keep it floating a bit while she is on tour). Then wrap up the era.
RoughOperator Posted June 17 Posted June 17 (edited) I really do wonder why many of you enjoy so much being pessimistic with her knowing her past history? Everyone knows she's a single artist and that's also used as criticism against her at times (kind of understandably), so taking the album's as a whole immediate underperformance by itself doesn't mean much in the bigger picture. But even when we think about her singles from Future Nostalgia, while being somewhat more impactful than those on RO the moment they were released, they actually all were sort of sleeper hits, especially the post release ones. Love Again was climbing its position in charts months after it had been released. The gp doesn't give a fuXX over album rollouts or what not with her. Heck, if you asked most people they wouldn't even be able to tell apart Don't start now's and One kiss' "eras" (the latter not even being a proper Dua song, but that's how everyone thinks of it to add to the perspective). All they want is the next smash energetic song to pop out of nowhere. These 3 first singles didn't exactly have that "explosive" traction she made everyone used to. Houdini gradually and forcefully became a hit because of the hype and the catchy dark "weekndish" production, but it's not a song you'd think was meant to be one. She then decided to go on with a more subdued production and vibe in general this time around for the rest of the era and she wanted to show it to us (everyone says TS's video was scrapped because of the war, but most likely the concept changed also because of this); whether it is an artistically and sonically well directed body of work that you like, sure, that's open to discussion. It certainly didn't pay off commercially thus far, also because the singles just weren't that good to be able to be carried by this "smizing" (as another user wroter here) aura I said subdued in general though, because in the album there still are explosive hits. Falling Forever, Whatcha doing, Training Season being the main ones. I also think some of the other songs are superior and catchier in certain regards in comparison to the singles and could very much be single material themselves. She just was very intentional in not pushing them in that way. A well executed FF/WD single promotion would be more than enough to bring her back to the game, because let's be real, very few people really listened carefully to the album (and it looks like some of yall when you say it's a "no singles material"). The real question is: does she wanna do it or keep up with this narrative by many considered "boring"? I think the reason itself they choose to do FF now is exactly that, so if anything I have my hopes up! (Not to dismiss completely what she's done so far, because contrary to most I actually find some of the choices of the album quite elegant and enjoyable at times, but I understand that I'm in a minority obviously, and I want her to succeed) Sorry for the essay btw, lol Edited June 17 by RoughOperator 2
mike_int Posted June 17 Posted June 17 (edited) For those who wanted ILLUSION physicals EU: https://eushop.dualipa.com/ UK: https://ukshop.dualipa.com/ US: https://usshop.dualipa.com/ Edited June 17 by mike_int
NostalgiawithDua Posted June 17 Posted June 17 It's crazy how people clowned her for Houdini but it ended up being better than most of the pop girlies lead singles…. 1
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