BionicWooHoo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I keep seeing this idea in many threads that just because someone has been in the public eye for a very long time, they MUST have talent to some degree. I think a good example is Selena Gomez. She clearly cannot sing well but people were for some reason fascinated with her personal life and that led to longevity. That along with people liking her personality for some reason has also led to success with her music. As far as I'm concerned though, that's not talent. The GP being interested in your personal life because you're a celebrity is not a talent. Your record label paying radios to pushing your songs is not a talent. I think the whole "you must have talent to some degree" crowd underestimates how many shady things probably go on behind the scenes to push certain individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Britney Spears... Can’t sing, can’t write or compose. But she was white, blonde, pretty and had some dance moves. 7 1 10 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Aging Twink Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Being completely talentless would make it much harder to succeed, but not impossible. For the girlies who aren’t musically talented (like Selena Gomez), it becomes necessary to have “talent” in other areas, like acting or social media promotion. In the old days, we saw countless cases of the “actress to singer route” (think Hilary, Demi, Miley, Selena). But nowadays, culture is more "online" than it is "on TV," so we are beginning to witness the rise of this outdated model being appropriated by social media influencers, like Addison Rae or Heidi Montag, who, despite having no musical talent, have managed to use their influence as social media stars to cultivate sizable fanbases who are eager to stream their music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HASHTAGPOW Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 You just need a pretty face and connections doesn't matter if you can't carry a tune. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorjesspazze9 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 The fact Lil nas X has one of the biggest songs of all time 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaklux Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Britney Spears is the biggest teenage pop star of all time. Aside her dance moves which is not exactly a musical talent, she has no talent and she was mega successful. So , yes! 3 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO1s Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Short term success yes. Long term no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Britney Spears (Selena started acting on Disney before becoming a singer) is the biggest example. Edited March 13 by Roberto 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleStarmen Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Nowadays people are jealous of true talents thats why most famous people now are mid and influencers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archetype Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Selena, Britney, Cardi, most but not all K-pop groups, most male artists and rappers, etc. Most of these people have *something* that makes people want to pay attention to them, but it’s never talent. Also, it’s not considered “cool” for male artists to show talent. For example, some of the worst rappers can actually SING and you’d never know it because of purposely horrible auto-tune. Even male pop artists add vocal effects to make themselves sound worse. Make it make sense. Edited March 13 by Archetype 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted March 13 ATRL Moderator Share Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, JO1s said: Short term success yes. Long term no. This. It's possible for anyone to get a big hit or two, but you have to have genuine talent to cultivate a long career with a strong foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 All sorts of people have been in the industry without talent. I don't think you can become a MPG or MPB without talents but there have been some who have tried and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, Archetype said: Also, it’s not considered “cool” for male artists to show talent. For example, some of the worst rappers can actually SING and you’d never know it because of purposely horrible auto-tune. Even male pop artists add vocal effects to make themselves sound worse. Make it make sense. The biggest male acts currently are Justin Bieber, The Weeknd, Harry Styles, Ed Sheeran, Drake and the previous ones consisted of Justin Timberlake, Usher, Eminem, Robbie Williams, 50 Cent. All of them are talented and showcase that as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReH2o Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Yes, Britney is an example of this Edited March 13 by ReH2o 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretgarden Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 this is literally just another "name artist you don't like" thread trying to masquerade as something more sophisticated. which is funny because the question being asked is actually really dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TROJAN Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Britney 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorjesspazze9 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Britney was singing as a kid, Dancing and acting yall are so dumb. To say she has no talent. Be fr 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylon4ever Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Selena started out on Barney the Dinosaur, then Disney and voice acting. Britney was on the 90s Mickey Mouse Club. In some cases you can have all the talent in the world and no one will even notice you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerCity Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said: Britney was singing as a kid, Dancing and acting yall are so dumb. To say she has no talent. Be fr Plus she’s got plenty of songwriting credits under her belt for her own songs and songs recorded by others. And most recently: It bothers them that she’s one of the most successful artists of all time clearly. Edited March 13 by SinnerCity 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Winter Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 The setup thread to drag Britney 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 56 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: Britney Spears... Can’t sing, can’t write or compose. But she was white, blonde, pretty and had some dance moves. 51 minutes ago, chaklux said: Britney Spears is the biggest teenage pop star of all time. Aside her dance moves which is not exactly a musical talent, she has no talent and she was mega successful. So , yes! 48 minutes ago, Roberto said: Britney Spears (Selena started acting on Disney before becoming a singer) is the biggest example. 44 minutes ago, Archetype said: Selena, Britney, Cardi, most but not all K-pop groups, most male artists and rappers, etc. Most of these people have *something* that makes people want to pay attention to them, but it’s never talent. Also, it’s not considered “cool” for male artists to show talent. For example, some of the worst rappers can actually SING and you’d never know it because of purposely horrible auto-tune. Even male pop artists add vocal effects to make themselves sound worse. Make it make sense. 15 minutes ago, ReH2o said: Yes, Britney is an example of this 6 minutes ago, TROJAN said: Britney Please educate yourselves before embarrassing yourselves. Britney was signed based on her singing alone. The label didn’t know she could dance until they showed up to the bomt set. Besides dancing which is 100% a musical talent, she has the X factor, star power and a vision on how to present her visual art to the world which has obviously worked. Her writing credits may be scarce for the few she does have are some of her discography highlights. On the other side of the coin, you could have all the talent in the world (or whatever your metric for talent is) and not be as successful 🤷♀️ 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BionicWooHoo Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 59 minutes ago, Bitter Aging Twink said: Being completely talentless would make it much harder to succeed, but not impossible. For the girlies who aren’t musically talented (like Selena Gomez), it becomes necessary to have “talent” in other areas, like acting or social media promotion. In the old days, we saw countless cases of the “actress to singer route” (think Hilary, Demi, Miley, Selena). But nowadays, culture is more "online" than it is "on TV," so we are beginning to witness the rise of this outdated model being appropriated by social media influencers, like Addison Rae or Heidi Montag, who, despite having no musical talent, have managed to use their influence as social media stars to cultivate sizable fanbases who are eager to stream their music. Is social media promotion a talent though? Its not like Selena is single-handedly running all her accounts. I'm sure she has a team of PR folks and marketing professionals telling her to do this or do that. As for the social media influencers of today, its honestly like...just be hot (and get lucky that the algorithm pushes your content). Like but is being hot a talent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezter Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 No tbh. You have to have at least minimal talent to go anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) There are a lot of aspects to being an entertainer that don't have to do with musical talent (e.g., working a camera, being relatable in interviews, USING charisma/charm, etc.). In that sense, you need some kind of talent to survive in the industry. I say this as a kpop stan - a lot of the most popular members in very successful kpop groups rely on charm as their main talent . Edited March 13 by toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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