Storm653 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Gaga saw the backlash from Artpop and did what was necessary. Shallow ended up becoming Gaga's biggest hit since the TF/FM era and it's a multigenerational classic. And Gaga tried to appease her OG fans with Chromatica but that album was nitpicked to oblivion online so who can blame her for going the ballad/jazz/songwriter route?
AllyGayTor Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Swifties forgetting that their fave also said this about Gaga: Quote “She did that Tony Bennett record and won a Grammy. And then she pivots and goes and wins a Golden Globe for 'American Horror Story: Hotel.' And then she pivots and does 'Joanne.' And then she pivots and wins an Oscar for 'A Star Is Born.' That’s so cool, that ability to be so capable in so many different worlds. There’s so much dexterity to her career,” 2 1
Miss Fortune Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anita said: So you agree it was nothing more than a cheap gimmick to be relevant (as her haters stated back then) and wasn’t really her ‘being true to her identity’ (as SHE stated back then)? You see, it isn’t about her haters/GP being hypocritical for wanting the ‘old Gaga back’ when they abandoned her during ARTPOP, it’s about her switching her brand to stay enslaved to the commercial market to maintain a luxurious lifestyle, contradicting EXACTLY was she stated during her 2014 SXSW keynote interview. She’ll have a very rude awakening during her next pop album first week performance, mark my words. I think the fact that you think a person is so one-dimensional that they have to fit into a single category for their entire career says more about you than it does about Lady Gaga. And, quite frankly, I don't think that Lady Gaga cares about her first week album sales because she is a very rich woman who lives her life getting paid to act and sing, which were both her passion since she was a child. If you have been a fan of Lady Gaga for her entire career, you will know that she is incredibly multi-dimensional and amps up & down the different sides of herself to explore creatively and commercially. She is, and has remained, rich, famous, respected and sought after, despite people gunning for her demise since early in her career. No matter which way you spin it, the "rebrand" was necessary to stay on top. Edited March 11 by Miss Fortune 1
State of Grace. Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Ehhhh to be fair there's also tweets about The Sound of Music, A Star Is Born, etc going viral and calling her rebrand legendary and historic all the time. Her acting career is great (I legit enjoy ActressGa more now) and it has gotten her an Oscar, a Best Actress nom on top of several acting wins so far. Her Jazz career won her several Grammys and was important to her image rehabilitation. I just wish she'd release original Jazzy music instead in the future. There is obviously some truth to this tweet because I miss the Rah Rah B*tch too, but I don't think the issue is necessarily her rebranding. People (including the gays begging for her to come back) were getting tired of her "gimmicks" by ARTPOP and yall wanted her to keep it going for more years? She would have been on par with Kim Petras instead of selling out stadiums if that happened. The "old Gaga" still pops up occasionally if you follow her closely. I personally thought the Chromatica Ball was the perfect representation of the "crazy Gaga" and the new one unlike the cheap parody that was Enigma. My frustration with Stefani stems more from her Lady LinkedIn era, her becoming a Big Pharma shill, the endless endorsements that makes zero sense and have zero relation with her brand, Haus Labs becoming her main priority these days without music to feed her fans (like WHY is she using her music newsletter to send us emails about her makeup ), and then there's "L. Gaga, Activist" taking a backseat nowadays unless her fans beg and plead for her to step up and share a statement or be a source of support. Of course this does not erase every good thing that she's done but her advocacy becoming so corporate'd and whitewashed is quite depressing. I've come to the realization that this is the case for basically all big celebrities, but she was supposed to be "different", etc. Even Madonna has lost the plot now. Edited March 11 by State of Grace.
JO1s Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) From anti consumerism pop and gay icon to the uninspired pro capitalist prescription drug mule of pop Edited March 11 by JO1s
suburbannature Posted March 11 Posted March 11 We need weird Gaga back so badly. You didn’t see David Bowie permanently toning himself down for validation her jazz singer act feels so disingenuous and she sounds like she’s doing a cruise ship impersonation. give us CAMP 3
Giorgoc Posted March 11 Posted March 11 15 minutes ago, suburbannature said: We need weird Gaga back so badly. You didn’t see David Bowie permanently toning himself down for validation her jazz singer act feels so disingenuous and she sounds like she’s doing a cruise ship impersonation. give us CAMP She's been singing jazz since at least 2011 tho. She was on top of the world while singing Born This Way and Orange Coloured Sky on the same damn concert. Weird Gaga IS here. Look at the Chromatica Ball. She has undoubtedly been toned down massively but that comes with maturing. The woman is pushing 40 and y'all want her to act like her 25 year old self.
brazil Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Not "Oscar baited roles" Yeah, her rebrand to fit in more with Holywood and even pharmaceutical elite is concerning, espexially for someone who made a career out of being an outsider and crticizing establishment.
Josh Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, brazil said: Not "Oscar baited roles" Yeah, her rebrand to fit in more with Holywood and even pharmaceutical elite is concerning, espexially for someone who made a career out of being an outsider and crticizing establishment. She's Janis Ian from Mean Girls. She calls herself an outsider but she desperately wants to fit in with the pretty people
Anita Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Miss Fortune said: I think the fact that you think a person is so one-dimensional that they have to fit into a single category for their entire career says more about you than it does about Lady Gaga. And, quite frankly, I don't think that Lady Gaga cares about her first week album sales because she is a very rich woman who lives her life getting paid to act and sing, which were both her passion since she was a child. If you have been a fan of Lady Gaga for her entire career, you will know that she is incredibly multi-dimensional and amps up & down the different sides of herself to explore creatively and commercially. She is, and has remained, rich, famous, respected and sought after, despite people gunning for her demise since early in her career. No matter which way you spin it, the "rebrand" was necessary to stay on top. It’s funny that you keep mentioning her money as if you get a share of it. I don’t care that she’s a capitalist, I’m not against capitalism myself. However, I’m against spineless liars and deceivers, and that’s exactly what she is. If that’s what you choose to Stan, you do you, but don’t sugarcoat **** and expect us to eat it. 1 2
PoisonPill Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Did these twitter users miss the part where her pop-star career was on life support and a re-brand was her only option for survival? And turned out to be a massive success that took her career off life support to a (brief) re-peak and earned her decades of longevity?
Nico Robin Posted March 11 Posted March 11 She is so diverse literally EVERYONE wants her. Only THE Lady Gaga
Infernal Paradise Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Calling one of the most successful modern career reinventions "the worst rebrand ever" just goes on to show that pop stans tend to operate and consume content in an incredibly siloed way she just found a way to re-center her artistry around her natural talents first and foremost, all while continuing to explore new creative avenues and preserving her mental and emotional health in the process in a way that works best for her. That's it. Lady Gaga contains multitudes. She didn't earn the career, status and following as an iconic, chameleonic, multi-faceted figure and get to where she is by just playing it safe. She's always taken sharp left turns throughout her artistic journey. The only difference is, because she now "gives the gays what they want" when she wants to, on her own terms, and not when they want her to, she's become "boring" At first she was "too eccentric" and "gimmicky" so these people wanted her to tone it down, now when she has, suddenly everyone's clamoring for the "old Gaga" Funnily enough, if she abandoned jazz right after C2C's success and immediately switched back to pop never returning to it again, she'd still be called "phony", "inauthentic" or some other **** by the same group of people. If she's acutely aware that it's a losing game for her no matter what she does, then why would she want to even play it by THEIR rules? Clearly she's not interested in doing that. This one paragraph from this NYT piece from 2018 sums it up perfectly: Quote Gaga’s initial obsession with masquerade predicted the double lives we all live now, our simultaneous existences as living, breathing people and disembodied avatars. But instead of seeing those identities as segmented — the real person, the facade — she put forth the concept that it’s possible, and ultimately adaptive, in a fractured world to try to free yourself from old boundaries. You can be an insider and an outsider at the same time, a human and an alien. All that is solid melts into Gaga. If this seems paradoxical, it is; but the paradox is where Gaga shines. Postmodern double truths are her milieu. Side note, but today's post just reassured it for me that she might make mistakes and lose focus and go astray at times but eventually she'll always find a way to learn from them. Her heart will always be in the right place and she'll never be afraid to speak truth to power. That, to me, is c*nty AF. 2
attention Posted March 11 Posted March 11 not a lot of artists are going to exhibit the same type of awe and interest consistently in their career and that’s normal
UnusualBoy Posted March 11 Posted March 11 The rebrand had to happen otherwise she would've flopped even harder, her transition was smart if you ask me. Do I like her AC music? Not that much but that's my problem, not hers.
Namie-Knowles Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 hours ago, perfillusion said: OP is a Brit Spears stan (that hides behind Taylor), keeping tabs on Gaga is what they do, especially now that they pretend to "like" Beyonce to avoid being skull dragged. OP is a Swiftie babe. I know them outside of this website. They like Taylor fr
Totami Legend Posted March 11 Posted March 11 she changed everything about her persona to get the GP and Hollywood validation.
modeblock Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 hours ago, Miss Fortune said: Gaga normalised shock value, fashion and pushing boundaries in a very stale time. The same people liking this tweet bullied her incessantly online during ARTPOP, when that was probably some of her most interesting exploration (outside of the music) Her "rebrand" allowed her to stay relevant and maintain her celebrity, when the masses were wanting to drop her completely. Since then, she's continues to win oscars, grammys, get roles in hollywood movies, launch a successful beauty brand and do stadium tours. Which, considering during ARTPOP everyone was dragging her and hoping for her fade into irrelevance, is a huge feat. So, perhaps the worst rebrand in history for YOU but certainly not for her. Agreed, it was needed at the time, but she went too far with it to the point her GAGA persona was nearly abandoned. It's like she's not committing to it the way she was before because she's also trying to juggle an acclaimed actress career and pharmaceutical rep which clashes with the "no f*cks given" ga GA cvntiness the gworls are missing.
Josh Posted March 11 Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, modeblock said: Agreed, it was needed at the time, but she went too far with it to the point her GAGA persona was nearly abandoned. It's like she's not committing to it the way she was before because she's also trying to juggle an acclaimed actress career and pharmaceutical rep which clashes with the "no f*cks given" ga GA cvntiness the gworls are missing. Everything went downhill when she fired Troy Carter
Archetype Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Josh said: Everything went downhill when she fired Troy Carter Troy Carter, aka the person who almost destroyed her career by working her to death and essentially abandoning her when she suffered from a debilitating and tour-cancelling injury? She wouldn't be here today if she stuck with him. Tony Bennett is the reason why she still makes music today, she has said multiple times that he and Jazz music saved her life. The thing ya'll like to joke about and mock her for is the reason why she's still here. I don't think Gaga gives a **** about any of your opinions on the genre of music she makes, your opinions about her beauty company, or that she supports a sunscreen company that her partner is on the board of or something. There are logical reasons for everything she is doing but it's always easier to try and tear a genuinely good person like her down instead of looking in the mirror and seeing how stupid you all look. Edited March 11 by Archetype
Josh Posted March 11 Posted March 11 11 minutes ago, Archetype said: Troy Carter, aka the person who almost destroyed her career by working her to death and essentially abandoning her when she suffered from a debilitating and tour-cancelling injury? She wouldn't be here today if she stuck with him. Tony Bennett is the reason why she still makes music today, she has said multiple times that he and Jazz music saved her life. The thing ya'll like to joke about and mock her for is the reason why she's still here. I don't think Gaga gives a **** about any of your opinions on the genre of music she makes, your opinions about her beauty company, or that she supports a sunscreen company that her partner is on the board of or something. There are logical reasons for everything she is doing but it's always easier to try and tear a genuinely good person like her down instead of looking in the mirror and seeing how stupid you all look. If she didn't care about other's opinions she wouldn't had gone the jazz route. She craves for that hollywood acceptance 1
satellites.™ Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Ugh, she was ALWAYS capable of these things though, Jazz is apart of her, listen to her sing lol. Stop trying to keep people in boxes, this was the single best change she couldve made for her career, it helped her tap into a new fanbase and be taken seriously as an actress, artist, and post poptart era icon. Katy Perry, fight me if you want, is seen as a has been. So is Kesha and many other girls from that time, she did it right! 1
Recommended Posts