base talk Is Ariana still the biggest ex act pop girl?

[dirrtydiana]

9 hours ago, Delirious said:

Now you know when someone's coping when they undermine what Flowers' did to solidify Miley's status. 

 

I’m not undermining her huge success and her first Grammys. I’m actually a Hannah Montana fan but I don’t see how flowers helped ESV

[dirrtydiana]

10 hours ago, corotinho said:

Do you need to say the word hitless? Lana doesn't have hits. She has a huge career but no songs smashing in any chart. She's an album artist. So when you say Abel, just THE BIGGEST HITMAKER from the last 2 decades, would have a career like Lana's i can just laugh.

 

Ariana only helped those two songs to score a #1 peak, just it. If you look at the stats, Save Your Tears was already charting on the Hot100 for a year. Ariana came at the final of it's chart run

Lana at least has one hit in summertime sadness. Her discography seems to be doing more than fine on Spotify without mainstream hits. TW and Lana actually had a pretty similar career before he started working with max martin (who’s responsible for most of Abel’s huge hits).

 

yes, hence why I stated the fact that Ariana gave him those 2 #1s 💁‍♀️ 

[Zaynsus]

9 hours ago, Delirious said:

Now you know when someone's coping when they undermine what Flowers' did to solidify Miley's status. 

 

Which status ? It did nothing for its parent album or even her discography.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Ariana is kinda the Katy Perry of her gen 

A Max Martin puppet 

Lol, go back to taking pics for the pervs on OnlyFans instead of spewing nonsense.

 

[dirrtydiana]

18 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Ariana is kinda the Katy Perry of her gen 

A Max Martin puppet 

Not when her first #1 and grammy were not max martin productions. If I’m not mistaken, yes and? is the first time ari goes #1 with a max song that’s her own. If anything, that “drag” could be applied to The Weeknd

[Walk_Away21]

59 minutes ago, Scars said:

Not one here is an indie alt girl, all of these women started their career on Disney/Nickelodeon. 

 

I'm not even sure what is your point here. Are you upset because the other girls weren't as succesful as Miley during their time on Disney/Nick? What? 

Screaming at them bragging that Ariana wasn't a big enough deal on Nickelodeon to get an album. The self drag

[Walk_Away21]

23 minutes ago, Zaynsus said:

Nickelodeon was her platform to get her name out there but they never offered her a record deal through their own label or broadcasted any of Ariana's music videos on their channel at the time to promote her music like Disney used to do with Miley, Selena and Demi. And Miley's first album was literally attached to a goddamn Hannah Montana album.

Not being attached to Hollywood Records was a blessing lmao.

[Vrx.]

46 minutes ago, Zaynsus said:

Lol, go back to taking pics for the pervs on OnlyFans instead of spewing nonsense.

 

Did you think this moronic and incorrect post was some Shakespeare level drag? 
 

 

42 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Not when her first #1 and grammy were not max martin productions. If I’m not mistaken, yes and? is the first time ari goes #1 with a max song that’s her own. If anything, that “drag” could be applied to The Weeknd

Most of her hits are Max hits, like most of Katy’s hits were with Luke 

[dirrtydiana]

29 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Did you think this moronic and incorrect post was some Shakespeare level drag? 
 

 

Most of her hits are Max hits, like most of Katy’s hits were with Luke 

The way

Problem

Side to Side 

no tears

thank u, next 

7R

positions 

34+35

Most of her singles may be but not most of her hits 

[Vrx.]

11 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

The way

Problem

Side to Side 

no tears

thank u, next 

7R

positions 

34+35

Most of her singles may be but not most of her hits 

Max also has a hand in the following:

 

- Focus

- Dangerous Woman

- Break Free

- Bang Bang

- Love Me Harder

- God is a Woman

- Break Up W Your Girlfriend I’m Bored

- Into You

- Don’t Call Me Angel 

 

objectively he’s been responsible for half her massive hits and Top 10s 

[dirrtydiana]

56 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

Max also has a hand in the following:

 

- Focus

- Dangerous Woman

- Break Free

- Bang Bang

- Love Me Harder

- God is a Woman

- Break Up W Your Girlfriend I’m Bored

- Into You

- Don’t Call Me Angel 

 

objectively he’s been responsible for half her massive hits and Top 10s 

Hence why I said most of her singles =/= all her hits 

[Princess Aurora]

Yes but when it comes to Disney Channel, I think Miley Cyrus is the most successful Disney Channel star. Ariana started from Nickelodeon instead

[hallucinate]

the answer is ariana

eternal sunshine will most likely do better than ESV despite yes, and? not even being half the hit flowers is

[Pink Ranger]

On 3/2/2024 at 8:02 AM, PoisonPill said:

Britney is the biggest “ex act” period. Among her age cohort, i’d say Ariana slightly edges out miley at the moment. Though Miley is probably going to end up with the longer career and the bigger legacy. She already has 3 bonafide classics to her name (four if you count The Climb) and her acclaim and respect keeps growing.

 

When talking ex acts on this forum/online in general it’s always referred to as those 4 notoriously, no one cares about Britney/Christina/Justin being on the Mickey Mouse club 30 years ago and it’s weird you referencing that in a thread about Ariana/Demi/Miley/Selena  

[Pink Ranger]

Ariana 

 

Miley

 

Selena

 

Demi

 

in that order, I’d consider Mileys the biggest celebrity of the 4 but Ariana as a pop star is the biggest and it’s not really up for question, the numbers don’t lie,  she’s had constant success since her debut collabs or not. Miley yes has flowers whichwas ginormous but i think it was bigger than Miley herself given prior she hasn’t really seen that kind of commercial success since BANGERZ. The post Flowers songs haven’t exactly made a splash either, let’s see how her next lead single does. 

Selena is third because even though the music quality has dipped massively at least she still gets playlisting and had Calm Doen (Remix) which was massive. our 4th girlie miss Demetria who hasn’t cared about commercial success for the best part of 4 years now which has showed with the lack of support from her label, let’s see if if the new era can spark some support, would be nice to see Demi on the cover of TTH again (it’s been 7 years)  

 

 

[Communion]

Well.

 

15 hours ago, Vrx. said:

A Max Martin puppet 

It is interesting to realize that Max charges other pop girlies allegedly $100k for a single production yet he just did a whole album for Ariana in 3 weeks, seemingly because she appears to be the pop girly he respects the most within the studio. He even brought his former bandmate out of retirement to play bass on her new album. 

 

[Freakshowvato]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

Well.

 

It is interesting to realize that Max charges other pop girlies allegedly $100k for a single production yet he just did a whole album for Ariana in 3 weeks, seemingly because she appears to be the pop girly he respects the most within the studio. He even brought his former bandmate out of retirement to play bass on her new album. 

 

We can't go by spotify debuts in 2024, when only Selena and Ariana have released songs as lead artists this year.

 

However, it's currently Ariana > Miley > Selena > Demi

 

Demi's last two studio albums were not very popular and maybe bc they were heavily focused on her personal life rather than overly commercially viable, but at least she creates great songs and is passionate about music!

[dirrtydiana]

2 hours ago, Pink Ranger said:

When talking ex acts on this forum/online in general it’s always referred to as those 4 notoriously, no one cares about Britney/Christina/Justin being on the Mickey Mouse club 30 years ago and it’s weird you referencing that in a thread about Ariana/Demi/Miley/Selena  

That is such a dumb take. So we shouldn’t talk about any pop girl after Madonna and Janet even though they’re the Big Bang that birthed all our faves that came the following 40 years…

no matter how you spin it, Britney is an ex Disney actor (and this forum is here thanks to her success and so is Hannah Montana). She’s the Madonna to these kids. In fact, there was an earlier generation with Hilary Duff, Raven and Aly & AJ. There were no huge Disney sitcoms back in the early 90s but if there had been and Britney had starred in it like in the MMC Britney’s class would still be considered.

 

 

Edited March 3 by dirrtydiana

[AccioMiley]

Its miley and its not even close. 

 

Ariana stans can cry all day about their fave as though her achievements are their own, living vicariously through her to liven up their boring sordid lives but Ariana has shown time and time again that she doesnt care about them. Thats why theyre so insecure 

[Bethenny Frankel]

Flowers and Wrecking Ball alone are bigger than anything Ariana has ever done. Most of her success was because of Scooter anyways, let's see if she can keep it up this era after falling on her face out of the gate.

[Vrx.]

15 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Hence why I said most of her singles =/= all her hits 

That doesn’t negate what I’ve said. A massive chunk of her singles are in association with him, hence why The Weeknd even said he went through her to get to max. 

[Pink Ranger]

43 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

That is such a dumb take. So we shouldn’t talk about any pop girl after Madonna and Janet even though they’re the Big Bang that birthed all our faves that came the following 40 years…

no matter how you spin it, Britney is an ex Disney actor (and this forum is here thanks to her success and so is Hannah Montana). She’s the Madonna to these kids. In fact, there was an earlier generation with Hilary Duff, Raven and Aly & AJ. There were no huge Disney sitcoms back in the early 90s but if there had been and Britney had starred in it like in the MMC Britney’s class would still be considered.

 

 

The thread is literally about the main 4 ex acts, that user bringing Britney into the equation was dumb.

 

Britney isn’t and has never been associated with the “ex act” brand and that’s on that. 

It’s Ariana, Miley, Demi and Selena and it always has been since the 4 debuted given their all the same age group and all debuted around the same time minus Ariana. 
 

[dirrtydiana]

2 minutes ago, Pink Ranger said:

The thread is literally about the main 4 ex acts, that user bringing Britney into the equation was dumb.

 

Britney isn’t and has never been associated with the “ex act” brand and that’s on that. 

It’s Ariana, Miley, Demi and Selena and it always has been since the 4 debuted given their all the same age group and all debuted around the same time minus Ariana. 
 

People are still free to state facts about the predecessors 

 

and no. that started with Britney’s class and then Hilary’s class as I mentioned 

 

you can’t erase history much less undermine the people responsible to us even having “ex acts” in the first place 

[Pink Ranger]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

People are still free to state facts about the predecessors 

 

and no. that started with Britney’s class and then Hilary’s class as I mentioned 

 

you can’t erase history much less undermine the people responsible to us even having “ex acts” in the first place 

Me personally have never heard Britney, Christina or Justin referred to as an ex act on the internet and that’s that on that. Who said anything about erasing history? I’m just stating my facts that the term ex act is LARGELY used to describe the 4 in the OP. 
 

when you go onto google and type in “ex Disney star” ironically you’ll see everyone being referred to as such minus Britney and Co. 

Britney’s success didn’t come from starting out at Disney, she debuted years after on her own merit and obviously slayed the world. 

but that’s just my two cents

 

Edited March 3 by Pink Ranger

[Zaynsus]

2 hours ago, Bethenny Frankel said:

Flowers and Wrecking Ball alone are bigger than anything Ariana has ever done. Most of her success was because of Scooter anyways, let's see if she can keep it up this era after falling on her face out of the gate.

Dance Monkey is also bigger than anything Ariana has done, that doesn't make her bigger than Ariana.

 

Also, I really don't get these types of comments, every artist has succeeded because they had a manager or a record label exec who did their ******* job properly, as they should ! Ariana had Scooter, Mariah had Tommy Motolla, Whitney had Clive Davis, Céline had René Angelil, and that doesn't negate nor take away any of these women's merits and success. It's not like Scooter went out there and put a gun to people's heads and force them to buy or stream Ariana's music or buy her concert tickets.

[dirrtydiana]

57 minutes ago, Pink Ranger said:

Me personally have never heard Britney, Christina or Justin referred to as an ex act on the internet and that’s that on that. Who said anything about erasing history? I’m just stating my facts that the term ex act is LARGELY used to describe the 4 in the OP. 
 

when you go onto google and type in “ex Disney star” ironically you’ll see everyone being referred to as such minus Britney and Co. 

Britney’s success didn’t come from starting out at Disney, she debuted years after on her own merit and obviously slayed the world. 

but that’s just my two cents

 

this is the first thing when I googled “Disney ex act”

 

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When Disney Channel star Hilary Duff released her debut album Metamorphosis in 2003, it marked a key shift in pop. Before her, the corporation's TV teen talent – Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake – had left Disney behind when they signed with major record labels en route to becoming superstars.Jul 11, 2023

Also this picture 

 

 

 

You personally =/= stating facts