base talk Is Ariana still the biggest ex act pop girl?

[DawnAnti]

9 hours ago, toxicgenie said:

Miley, Ariana, Selena are all pretty equal. Their next couple projects will set who's the biggest. 

Thanks for this joke 

[Ms.cleo]

3 hours ago, Zaynsus said:

Also, if there's one thing we learned from Camila or to a lesser extent Dua, it's that no amount of payola can get you a hit if people aren't here for you and don't like your output.

Lmao Dua and Camila shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence.  Dua also has longevity, her music stays on the charts for long periods of time, solo AND collabs. Camila desperately needs a male collaborator to make some noise and still barely makes a sound. Levitating is diamond and took less time to get there than Havana did. 
 

y’all need to put some respect on Dua’s name. 

Edited March 2 by Ms.cleo

[corotinho]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

What kind of delusion? NURSE!

 

it took Miley literally a decade to recover her career. If it wasn’t for flowers…

 

Positions was 3 years and yes that was a “hit” in what ever metric you try to spin it.

 

nothing to say and nothing to back up a claim or hold a conversation? Thought so. 

But what you want me to say when you just said Abel's career would be as hitless as Lana's? I mean, did you took a look at this year's IFPI? 

 

Ariana gave NOTHING to Abel. Both Save Your Tears and Die For You were hits before it's remix. The max you can say is that Abel gave Ariana two number ones hahaha

[dirrtydiana]

5 minutes ago, corotinho said:

But what you want me to say when you just said Abel's career would be as hitless as Lana's? I mean, did you took a look at this year's IFPI? 

 

Ariana gave NOTHING to Abel. Both Save Your Tears and Die For You were hits before it's remix. The max you can say is that Abel gave Ariana two number ones hahaha

I didn’t say hitless. You did. Lana has a huge respectable career. She doesn’t need radio, charts mainstream, critics or trophies. What kind of projection?

nothing? That’s a funny way to spell martin.

that I did say exactly. Did you already forget? Those two were hits yet Ariana gave them their #1 status while on hiatus may I add.

 

🤷‍♀️

 

 

Edited March 2 by dirrtydiana

[corotinho]

6 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

I didn’t say hitless. You did. Lana has a huge career right now. She doesn’t need charts critics or trophies. What kind of projection?

nothing? That’s a funny way to spell martin.

that I did say exactly. Did you already forget? Those two were hits yet Ariana gave them their #1 status

 

🤷‍♀️

 

 

Do you need to say the word hitless? Lana doesn't have hits. She has a huge career but no songs smashing in any chart. She's an album artist. So when you say Abel, just THE BIGGEST HITMAKER from the last 2 decades, would have a career like Lana's i can just laugh.

 

Ariana only helped those two songs to score a #1 peak, just it. If you look at the stats, Save Your Tears was already charting on the Hot100 for a year. Ariana came at the final of it's chart run

Edited March 2 by corotinho

[ariananext]

23 minutes ago, corotinho said:

Do you need to say the word hitless? Lana doesn't have hits. She has a huge career but no songs smashing in any chart. She's an album artist. So when you say Abel, just THE BIGGEST HITMAKER from the last 2 decades, would have a career like Lana's i can just laugh.

 

Ariana only helped those two songs to score a #1 peak, just it. If you look at the stats, Save Your Tears was already charting on the Hot100 for a year. Ariana came at the final of it's chart run

“Ariana was kinda my foot in the door with Max, my chance to show him ‘I can play this game,’ y’know?” The Weeknd told Variety.

[superben]

40 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

without Ari the weekend would’ve still had a huge career but more similar to Lana’s

What even?  

Yeah, an Ariana feature might have help secured the #1 position for those 2 songs, but the solo versions would have been huge hits anyway.

[ariananext]

18 minutes ago, superben said:

What even?  

Yeah, an Ariana feature might have help secured the #1 position for those 2 songs, but the solo versions would have been huge hits anyway.

Yeah of course, Abel knows that Ariana has chart power and can help him hit #1, but user above was talking about the fact that Ariana gave Abel his first mainstream hit, in fact he even credits her for introducing him to Max Martin who went on to produce his biggest hits for him. 

[Delirious]

55 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

What kind of delusion? NURSE!

 

it took Miley literally a decade to recover her career. If it wasn’t for flowers… actually even with flowers…

 

Positions was 3 years ago and yes that was a “hit” in whatever metric you try to spin it.

 

nothing to say and nothing to back up a claim or hold a conversation? Thought so. 
 

 

Now you know when someone's coping when they undermine what Flowers' did to solidify Miley's status. 

 

[Delirious]

1 hour ago, Felipesf said:

People on this forum are so out of touch. 

 

The maximum between these songs being 2x platinum in the US when non singles like Motive or Needy are eligible for this 

They're under certified. Are you Zumb? 

 

And also the world doesn't revolve around the US.

[unclefloprry]

Karma is a cat, karma is a Doctor 

 

[Maroonx]

miley is bigger x

[Jjang]

“Miley sold more albums in the US!” 

 

13 albums 

5 compilation albums

4 live albums 

2 remix albums

2 EPs 

 

vs. 

 

6 studio albums 

2 compilation albums 

1 live album 

1 EP 

—-

 

 

… not the flex you think it is. 

[Johnathon]

Yes. She’s miles ahead of Selena/Demi. Her and Miley are now equal on celebrity and Ariana is still bigger musically 

[Blackout2006]

4 hours ago, XDNA said:

Even the ladies of The View dragged her.

Wow, what will Britney do!? I hope one of the books she sold millions of copies showing the world her side against the manufactured narrative can comfort her :(

Edited March 2 by Blackout2006

[Zaynsus]

9 hours ago, Scars said:

Miley - 30.7M album units

Ariana - 19.4M

And Ariana did that in 10 years vs 18 years and without a big corporate like Disney to hand her a career on a silver platter ! (Funny how y'all always tend to forget that detail)

[SweetenerNostalgia]

3 minutes ago, Zaynsus said:

And Ariana did that in 10 years vs 18 years and without a big corporate like Disney to hand her a career on a silver platter ! (Funny how y'all always tend to forget that detail)

the fact that her debut was a double album with the hannah montana soundtrack says it all

 

 

[Gaia]

20 minutes ago, Zaynsus said:

And Ariana did that in 10 years vs 18 years and without a big corporate like Disney to hand her a career on a silver platter ! (Funny how y'all always tend to forget that detail)

Ariana literally has her career because of Nick. What even

[Freakshowvato]

Miley had one moment with Flowers but we have to see where she goes with it bc ESV and her other singles have been OK. 

 

I think Ariana is still biggest, then Miley

[Scars]

22 minutes ago, Zaynsus said:

And Ariana did that in 10 years vs 18 years and without a big corporate like Disney to hand her a career on a silver platter ! (Funny how y'all always tend to forget that detail)

Not one here is an indie alt girl, all of these women started their career on Disney/Nickelodeon. 

 

I'm not even sure what is your point here. Are you upset because the other girls weren't as succesful as Miley during their time on Disney/Nick? What? 

[lillavend3r]

19 hours ago, toxicgenie said:

Miley, Ariana, Selena are all pretty equal. Their next couple projects will set who's the biggest. 

One of these is DEFINITELY NOT like the others 

[BrandNewBrandon]

So completely objectively:

 

Miley Cyrus

 

Miley Cyrus broke through and had enormous success with her TV show and music career which was tied to the brand of Hannah Montana. She was one of the biggest names in music from 2005-10. She even had an era as Miley Cyrus that was big with the huge hit that was Party In The USA. However, she then released a more mature album entitled Can't Be Tamed and it flopped. She came back harder than ever with her following era Bangerz with the gigantic smash Wrecking Ball. The album's first week sales were on par with Lady Gaga (looked upon as a career low) and Katy Perry (looked upon as a career peak). For Miley the era turned out to be a big success and she was without a doubt the most talked about woman for much of 2013. Then the third single flopped. And her following project bombed as did her following album. She followed that up with a moderate success Plastic Hearts. And then in 2023, 10 years after her career peak, she released what is undoubtedly her biggest hit and THE biggest hit of that year with the song Flowers. No other singles became hits and the album didn't perform well on the charts. 

 

Ariana Grande 

 

Ariana Grande launched her debut era in 2014 and it was a cute success within Anglosphere. Her follow-up album My Everything became a huge success with four hit singles. It was a global hit and is one of the most-streamed albums of all time. She followed that up with a mild underperformance with her album Dangerous Woman. That album did score some hits though. The album after that is titled Sweetener and has one big hit attached to it. But it would be her follow-up that would turn out to be her biggest success yet. Thank U, Next didn't only launch two back-to-back multi-week #1 smash singles but she officially became the biggest female in music at the time. She broke streaming records and was an IT girl for much of 2020. In 2021 she released Positions which landed her another #1 single and another Top 10 single. 

 

Summary: Miley's trajectory is up-up-down-down-down-mid-up while Ariana's is mid-up-mid-up-up-up. Miley has career highs attached to either mild-performing or underperforming albums (Bangerz was a success then the third single flopped, Flowers was a megahit but then the album and all of its singles weren't big successes) while Ariana's career highs are attached to hugely successful albums (both My Everything and Thank U, Next had huge singles and broke streaming records as album as well).

 

Both are household names and super famous all around the world. But I'd give Ariana the slight edge because before Flowers came and smashed everyone would've said her regardless and we would need more eras to prove Miley's indeed bigger than Ariana. 

 

Edited March 3 by BrandNewBrandon

[gr33dy4Ari]

I think this will be answered on March 8! 

[Zaynsus]

27 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Ariana literally has her career because of Nick. What even

Nickelodeon was her platform to get her name out there but they never offered her a record deal through their own label or broadcasted any of Ariana's music videos on their channel at the time to promote her music like Disney used to do with Miley, Selena and Demi. And Miley's first album was literally attached to a goddamn Hannah Montana album.

[Vrx.]

Ariana is kinda the Katy Perry of her gen 

A Max Martin puppet 

Edited March 3 by Vrx.