base talk Is Ariana still the biggest ex act pop girl?

[DanyelP23]

If Miley were to put out a 'flop song' it would not go number 1.

Also, it feels like Ariana has a bigger dedicated fanbase than Miley.

[corotinho]

Selena is the bigger name overall. On music, i feel like Miley and Ariana are at the same level. Miley pulled the biggest hit of the last year, but the album did not numbers. While Ariana is flopping with yes, and but i'm sure eternal sunshine will do better than ESV.

[Starkboy]

The way this site thinks having a good moment (for Miley in this case) means automatically you're the biggest

[wantedyoutogrow]

 

[Zaynsus]

2 hours ago, Zaynsus said:

Can't wait to see Doctor's debut numbers on Spotify, I'm sure it will debut at #1 with bigger numbers than yes, and?

 

 

[kindararenext]

you’re delusional if you think otherwise lol 

[Dialamba]

56 minutes ago, wantedyoutogrow said:

Y’all were saying?

The fact yes and remix debuted with more streams  
 

Edited March 2 by Dialamba

[Blue Monday]

well these Doctor numbers sure are interesting aren’t they! 

[XDNA]

2 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

Okay Jlo avi

In the real world most of Britney's headlines are negative. Even the ladies of The View dragged her. Anyway, thats another topic but ATRL is not ready for that discussion.

 

[superben]

She has never surpassed Miley, and Miley had a much more successful 2023.

 

[State of Grace.]

The Love On/Single Soon and Jaded/River/Used To Be Young/Doctor stans in here  

 

Can't wait for Eternal Sunshine vs Endless Snooze Vacation vs SG3 (if it ever comes out)

 

[Coldpurry]

No, Miley is miles ahead

[BadBoy]

9 hours ago, Achilles. said:

Miley Cyrus is #62 on Billboard’s All Time chart and Ariana Grande is not top 125.

Oh there you have it, close the thread now. 

[Jjang]

1 hour ago, superben said:

, and Miley had a much more successful 2023.

 

wild guess but I think it has to do with Miley releasing an album that year while Ariana was on a hiatus.

[superben]

4 minutes ago, Jjang said:

wild guess but I think it has to do with Miley releasing an album that year while Ariana was on a hiatus.

Yeah? I'm not saying Miley is more successful in 2023 because Ariana is flopping or something. It only means Miley had a bigger overall career than Ari before 2023, and the 2023 success only widens the difference.

[Scars]

9 hours ago, suburbannature said:

Hasn't Miley moved a LOT more album units? Ariana had more consistent MPG success and hits, but it sort of feels like Miley was bigger overall. I could be wrong.

Yes, she did. It's also worth noting that Miley's commercial peak was much more focused on pushing albums instead of singles. It's impressive that she was able to sell as many albums as she did, but that obviously hurted her catalog of hits in the long run.

 

These girls debuted during different times, so only using streaming stats to look at their careers won't give an accurate asnwer to anyone. This is what their album-equivalent sales look like in the US:

 

Miley - 30.7M album units

Ariana - 19.4M

Selena - 11.5M

Demi - 9.7M

 

I'd make a point about how that gap may look like outside of the US, but Chartmasters isn't a reliable source. A reasonable answer to the question here lies somewhere in the middle of the road, considering that both fandoms usually focus on the chart metric that makes their fave look better.

 

Ariana clearly established herself as a hitmaker in a way that Miley never did and she also had a more stable first decade in the industry, especially when you consider some of the career-suicide choices Miley has made in the mid to late 2010s, but if we're taking a look into their overall careers, it's clear that Miley had one of hell of a commercial prime that is hard to beat. Miley is clearly not the B-tier girlie that some arianators want people to believe.

[Scars]

4 hours ago, Gerardo said:

Santa Tell Me will outlast both of these songs 

Um...no. You're just saying anything. 

 

Paty in the USA - a song from the digital era - 1,482,084,894 (1,082,822 daily streams)

Santa Tell Me - a song from the streaming era - 1,045,148,522  (64,129 daily streams)

 

Party in the USA charts on Spotify/Apple Music every single day on all of the anglosphere. It has a massive boost on the 4th of July, New Years' Eve or whenever americans are feeling themselves, but it doesn't need a holiday season to chart. Santa Tell Me has an impressive run without a doubt, but you can't compare it to a classic that is streamed every single day of the year.

Edited March 2 by Scars

[dirrtydiana]

6 hours ago, Miley Cyrus said:

Maybe the Weeknd collaborator should run to her next artist for her next quick lil forgotten frontloaded “hit” since her career is carried by collabs.

this sounds so bitter lol especially when Ariana gave Abel 2 #1s, and one for Gaga and Bieber lol

[Taemira]

It feels like PITUSA + Flowers end up bigger than Ariana's entire singles catalogue?

[Slate]

Obviously 

 

 

[corotinho]

5 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

this sounds so bitter lol especially when Ariana gave Abel 2 #1s, and one for Gaga and Bieber lol

[Felipesf]

8 hours ago, Delirious said:

im sick and tired of this narrative. Miley has always been relevant ever since she debuted. Even after destroying her reputation after 2013, she recovered quickly

 

Ariana hasn't scored a solo hit for half a decade.

 

 

Angels Like You - solo (2023 - recently went mega viral)

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[40]	Gold	35,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[41]	2× Diamond	320,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[42]	Gold	45,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[43]	Platinum+Gold	210,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[44]	Gold	25,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[45]	Platinum	60,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[46]	Silver	200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[47]	Gold	500,000‡

 

Midnight Sky - solo (2019)

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[144]	3× Platinum	210,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[145]	Platinum	30,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[146]	Gold	20,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[147]	Diamond	160,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[147] Edge of Midnight (Midnight Sky Remix)	Gold	20,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[148]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[149]	Gold	100,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[150]	Gold	200,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[151]	Gold	35,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[152]	Gold	30,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[153]	Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[154]	2× Platinum	40,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[155]	Gold	5,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[156]	Platinum	60,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[157]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[158]	2× Platinum	2,000,000‡
Streaming
Sweden (GLF)[159]	Platinum	8,000,000†

 

Prisoner (2019)

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[123]	2× Platinum	140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[124]	Platinum	30,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[125]	Gold	20,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[126]	2× Diamond	320,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[127]	Gold	40,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[128]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[129]	Gold	100,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[130]	Gold	200,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[131]	Platinum	70,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[132]	Platinum	140,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[133]	Gold	30,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[134]	Platinum	20,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[135]	2× Platinum	20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[136]	Platinum	60,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[137]	Gold	10,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[138]	Platinum	600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[139]	Platinum	1,000,000‡
Streaming
Greece (IFPI Greece)[140]	Gold	1,000,000†
Sweden (GLF)[141]	Gold	4,000,000†

 

nothing breaks (2018)

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[100]	6× Platinum	420,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[101]	Platinum	30,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[102]	Gold	20,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[103]	Diamond	160,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[104]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[105]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[106]	Diamond	333,333‡
Germany (BVMI)[107]	Platinum	400,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[108]	Platinum	50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[109]	Platinum+Gold	90,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[110]	Gold	15,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[111]	Platinum	60,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[112]	4× Platinum	80,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[113]	Gold	5,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[114]	2× Platinum	120,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[115]	Platinum	20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[116]	2× Platinum	1,200,000‡
United States (RIAA)[117]	Platinum	1,000,000‡
Streaming
Sweden (GLF)[118]	Gold	4,000,000†

 

 

Malibu - solo (2017)

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)[116]	6× Platinum	420,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[117]	Platinum	30,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[118]	Gold	10,000‡
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[119]	Diamond	250,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[120]	3× Platinum	240,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[121]	Platinum	90,000‡
France (SNEP)[122]	Gold	100,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[123]	Gold	200,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[124]	Platinum	50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[125]	2× Platinum+Gold	150,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[126]	Gold	15,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[127]	4× Platinum	240,000‡
Poland (ZPAV)[128]	Platinum	20,000‡
Portugal (AFP)[129]	Gold	5,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[130]	2× Platinum	120,000‡
Sweden (GLF)[131]	Platinum	40,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[132]	Platinum	20,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[133]	Platinum	600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[134]	2× Platinum	2,000,000‡

People on this forum are so out of touch. 

 

The maximum between these songs being 2x platinum in the US when non singles like Motive or Needy are eligible for this 

Edited March 2 by Felipesf

[dirrtydiana]

8 minutes ago, corotinho said:

Save your tears and die for you. What’s not clicking? Needless to say Ari was Abel’s ticket to max Martin.

 

they both created beautiful careers together since love me harder.

 

without Ari the weekend would’ve still had a huge career but more similar to Lana’s

[corotinho]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

Save your tears and die for you. What’s not clicking? Needless to say Ari was Abel’s ticket to max Martin.

 

they both created beautiful careers together since love me harder.

 

without Ari the weekend would’ve still had a huge career but more similar to Lana’s

HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH LORD 

[dirrtydiana]

9 hours ago, Delirious said:

im sick and tired of this narrative. Miley has always been relevant ever since she debuted. Even after destroying her reputation after 2013, she recovered quickly

 

Ariana hasn't scored a solo hit for half a decade.

What kind of delusion? NURSE!

 

it took Miley literally a decade to recover her career. If it wasn’t for flowers… actually even with flowers…

 

Positions was 3 years ago and yes that was a “hit” in whatever metric you try to spin it.

 

4 minutes ago, corotinho said:

HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH LORD 

nothing to say and nothing to back up a claim or hold a conversation? Thought so. 
 

 

Edited March 2 by dirrtydiana