Communion Posted February 24 Author Posted February 24 15 hours ago, Miss Show Business said: If 2024 turns out to be another 2016, it won't be because "the Dems weren't inspiring enough!", It will be because of naïveté of voters who didn't believe things could get worse. ddd I love when you can tell from someone's world view that they have themselves never been poor or been tricked into believing some abstract neoliberal ideal re: class. Cause the bolded items you've described... are materially the same thing. You hope to obfuscate and remove responsibility from the rich politicians you've developed an unhealthy parasocial relationship for, but you're effectively describing the same phenomenon rooted in the same cause in both "differences". People who "don't think things can get worse" also believe that things can't get better. They've come to the conclusion that electoral politics does not meaningfully impact their lives - that it is something removed from their daily struggle as a common person. The rich get richer. The poor stay poor. And the system works how it is supposed to. Voters succumbing to the believe that not being able to afford rent or groceries or healthcare is the new normal and that suffering is an eternal reality that politics can't solve is 100% on the shoulders of Democrats for not effectively offering the vision that things can be better. There's a reason why people like you who uncritically supported Hillary Clinton of all people got us in this predicament to begin with. 2
One Rude Boy Posted February 24 Posted February 24 all this talk and i have the answer: resign immediately.
Miss Show Business Posted February 24 Posted February 24 5 hours ago, Communion said: ddd I love when you can tell from someone's world view that they have themselves never been poor or been tricked into believing some abstract neoliberal ideal re: class. Your assumptions are quite hilarious. You don't know the first thing about me or my financial situation.
Communion Posted February 24 Author Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Your assumptions are quite hilarious. You don't know the first thing about me or my financial situation. And yet your suggestion that non-voters somehow operate from a form of privilege is at odds with reality, which tells me what I need to know about you./ 3 1
Mr. Mendes Posted February 25 Posted February 25 On 2/23/2024 at 8:00 PM, Redstreak said: if there were any serious contenders to replace him we’d be hearing about them, especially given you have such a deep investment in it and I haven’t heard any alternatives. Is that not @Communion's whole point though? That the alternatives are being purposefully sidelined and silenced because the Biden administration is unwilling to stand up against the valid criticisms that other party members are sending toward the White House? That the better alternatives are being kept in the shadows because their policies outpace that of the current president's? It's really not hard to see why there are no "better alternatives" on the front line: the Democratic machine will not let them get there. They're threatened by the people who can actually handle this, and instead want to throw their support behind a man who has proven himself incapable. 2 2
Mr. Mendes Posted February 25 Posted February 25 On 2/23/2024 at 8:28 PM, Miss Show Business said: I'm sorry... This is not "another 2016". This is 1932 Weimar Republic Germany and the Nazis are knocking on the door, complete with a dystopian plan on exactly how they're going to dismantle and destroy every personal freedom afforded in this country. By not doing the ONE thing you can do to stop them, you are handing them the keys. This is exactly what happened in the Weimar Republic when the center left and left parties could not get it together and agree on a single candidate and vote against extremism and put their differences aside. Vote splitting is exactly how Hitler was able to grasp true power. I don't want to hear a single complaint about "fear mongering". Things can and will get far worse for millions of Americans if this wannabe dictator is not refused another term. If 2024 turns out to be another 2016, it won't be because "the Dems weren't inspiring enough!", It will be because of naïveté of voters who didn't believe things could get worse. So much desire to blame voters rather than blame the actual problem: an incompetent Democratic party who managed to lose the easiest layup election in history by throwing their support behind a horrifically terrible candidate, and are miraculously on track to do the same goddamn thing for a second time. You cannot blame a voter for being uninspired by a candidate when the candidate has spent the last four years failing them over, and over, and over, and over again. The guilt vote is not going to make people want to go to the polls. Do I think people should vote? Absofuckinglutely I do. I think everyone should. But the way you and really the whole Democratic party are choosing to try and get people to do it ("Trump is your fault") is the absolute worst way to get someone interested in the polls. The Democrats are the ones who created voter apathy. Not the voters. 3
If U Seek Amy Posted February 25 Posted February 25 I think something that is often forgotten is we are still only in February. If Biden/his admin began just using all their money/energy now that is likely going to dissipate by voting time and people will forget. It is still extremely early and it is well documented people tend to vote based on info closer to the election than farther away. Wait till primaries are over and we are closer.
GraceRandolph Posted March 1 Posted March 1 On 2/25/2024 at 10:18 AM, If U Seek Amy said: I think something that is often forgotten is we are still only in February. If Biden/his admin began just using all their money/energy now that is likely going to dissipate by voting time and people will forget. It is still extremely early and it is well documented people tend to vote based on info closer to the election than farther away. Wait till primaries are over and we are closer. I don't think Biden's alleged cognitive issues or unwavering support of Israel will be forgotten by November 1 1
If U Seek Amy Posted March 1 Posted March 1 10 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: I don't think Biden's alleged cognitive issues or unwavering support of Israel will be forgotten by November It certainly likely won't be. But that isn't the only factor and most people aren't solo issue voting. But he certainly could be wrecked by it. Just a bit early to conclude that as a certainty for his downfall 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted March 1 Posted March 1 34 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said: It certainly likely won't be. But that isn't the only factor and most people aren't solo issue voting. But he certainly could be wrecked by it. Just a bit early to conclude that as a certainty for his downfall There isn't ONE single issue weighing against Biden's re-election, and you know that. He isn't just a genocide supporting maniac. He isn't just old as sin. He isn't just the guy that's associated with one of the largest inflation spikes in history. He isn't just the guy that impotently stood by as abortion rights were stripped away. He isn't just the guy that moved to block union workers from striking. He isn't just the guy that abandoned an entire American town to an environmental catastrophe (that arguably happened as a result of his union busting) while he ran off to do self-aggrandizing photo ops with Zelenskyy in Ukraine. He is ALL of those things and more. 2
If U Seek Amy Posted March 1 Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: There isn't ONE single issue weighing against Biden's re-election, and you know that. He isn't just a genocide supporting maniac. He isn't just old as sin. He isn't just the guy that's associated with one of the largest inflation spikes in history. He isn't just the guy that impotently stood by as abortion rights were stripped away. He isn't just the guy that moved to block union workers from striking. He isn't just the guy that abandoned an entire American town to an environmental catastrophe (that arguably happened as a result of his union busting) while he ran off to do self-aggrandizing photo ops with Zelenskyy in Ukraine. He is ALL of those things and more. - You did not cite one thing against Trump and only associated negatives with Biden. I will not take any thoughts seriously that only consider the negatives of one candidate while ignoring the other running - Trump is old as sin also - Trump supports genocide also - Inflation is almost back to normal which began before his time in office - Biden cannot alone legislate abortion into law (take it up with congress) - Biden is largely pro union and has benefited them in many ways despite some misteps. You only focus on negatives I can tell - Biden is losing Ohio either way and will have no effect on his election chances Like I get hating him, but come on bffr. You can attribute so much to him bad but also acknowledge Trump's problems also do not guarantee him a win. Your obsession with hating Biden verges on if not direct obsession. I am not sure if you are secretly in love with him you talk about him so much, let alone make him your profile picture. He sucks, we get it. But if you really cannot see how many of those same things also apply to Trump if not worse you are delusional. 3
ClashAndBurn Posted March 1 Posted March 1 8 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said: - You did not cite one thing against Trump and only associated negatives with Biden. I will not take any thoughts seriously that only consider the negatives of one candidate while ignoring the other running - Trump is old as sin also - Trump supports genocide also - Inflation is almost back to normal which began before his time in office - Biden cannot alone legislate abortion into law (take it up with congress) - Biden is largely pro union and has benefited them in many ways despite some misteps. You only focus on negatives I can tell - Biden is losing Ohio either way and will have no effect on his election chances Like I get hating him, but come on bffr. You can attribute so much to him bad but also acknowledge Trump's problems also do not guarantee him a win. Your obsession with hating Biden verges on if not direct obsession. I am not sure if you are secretly in love with him you talk about him so much, let alone make him your profile picture. He sucks, we get it. But if you really cannot see how many of those same things also apply to Trump if not worse you are delusional. I didn't cite one thing against Trump because I never planned on voting for him. But. Frankly, I don't plan on voting for Joe Biden either. I wish someone would take them both off the table and put us out of our misery, but life isn't that kind to people who aren't evil pieces of **** like Joe Biden and Donald Trump are. 1
GraceRandolph Posted March 5 Posted March 5 On 3/1/2024 at 4:48 PM, If U Seek Amy said: - Trump supports genocide also So if you admit that Biden supports genocide, what is your red line that would prevent you from supporting a candidate? 4 1
GhostBox Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) “Making sure Biden loses because of this issue is worth another Trump term” trumps team on this issue - Edited March 5 by GhostBox
GhostBox Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: The Dem establishment ignores voter demands AGAIN. Stop bumping old ass threads 1
ClashAndBurn Posted April 8 Posted April 8 2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: The Dem establishment ignores voter demands AGAIN. Bernie Sanders has given him the cover he needs. Even though the establishment will always resent him and never credit him for doing so, and ultimately will dump all the blame on him if Biden ends up losing.
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