Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Communion said: I know this is you emotionally lashing out. I get it. It's frustrating that it's becoming clear we're all going to be doomed and stuck with Trump due to Biden's selfishness. It's why it's frustrating that the very people who know how to save our future and stop Trump are being sidelined and silenced by Biden's yes-men and handlers. I mean.. this is who is ringing the alarm that Biden is purposefully sabotaging his chances in an important swing state: Literally the entire Dem coalition of women, people of color, queer people, etc. shouting for Biden to hear us and yet no one listening. The damage and destruction Biden is purposefully causing for some reason is so devastating that I get why you're having trouble processing that kind of grief. How has your life been since Alex Jones was deplatformed? Is brain force max worth it? 1 2
Seahorse Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Americans are idiots. Really, they want the Russian propaganda party to win. Sure. Don’t complain when the country goes to **** because y’all didn’t vote. 1
Communion Posted February 24 Author Posted February 24 Just now, Redstreak said: How has your life been since Alex Jones was deplatformed? Is brain force max worth it? It's okay you're hurt and angry. I genuinely can't believe the failure that centrist Dems have been at leaving their voters to the mercy of Republicans in red states. Biden winning the Democratic primary in 2020 really was the worst possible thing that could have happened. All of this could have been avoidable if it was different. The amount of pain and suffering Trump's inevitable win will cause must be a lesson to everyone on the mistake of voting for centrists and the importance of a vote. 4 2
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Communion said: It's okay you're hurt and angry. I genuinely can't believe the failure that centrist Dems have been at leaving their voters to the mercy of Republicans in red states. Biden winning the Democratic primary in 2020 really was the worst possible thing that could have happened. All of this could have been avoidable if it was different. The amount of pain and suffering Trump's inevitable win will cause must be a lesson to everyone on the mistake of voting for centrists and the importance of a vote. Joe Biden lives rent free in your head and I’m lashing out lol 2
Communion Posted February 24 Author Posted February 24 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Joe Biden lives rent free in your head and I’m lashing out lol I mean.. literally yes? Do you not take the threat of Donals Trump seriously? Do *you* want women to suffer? Do *you* want dead LGBTQ youth? We have one of the most dangerous figures in American history at a 50%+ chance of becoming president and the person current meant to stop him wants to lose. Your anger makes it clear to me you know this - but instead of recognizing who is actually responsible for this and the only one with the power to stop this from happening (Biden), you've not yet made that realization and are punching horizontally and downwards because it is too soul-crushing to reconcile with the feelings of being too powerless to punch up and it mean nothing. We're going to be discussing for decades about the political science behind Biden thinking killing Palestinian children was worth destroying the Dem coalition. Edited February 24 by Communion 6 1
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, Communion said: I mean.. literally yes? Do you not take the threat of Donals Trump seriously? Do *you* want women to suffer? Do *you* want dead LGBTQ youth? We have one of the most dangerous figures in American history at a 50%+ chance of becoming president and the person current meant to stop him wants to lose. Your anger makes it clear to me you know this - but instead of recognizing who is actually responsible for this and the only one with the power to stop this from happening (Biden), you've not yet made that realization and are punching horizontally and downwards because it is too soul-crushing to reconcile with the feelings of being too powerless to punch up and it mean nothing. We're going to be discussing for decades about the political science behind Biden thinking killing Palestinian children was worth destroying the Dem coalition. Personally I think against Trump that Biden will still win, if there were any serious contenders to replace him we’d be hearing about them, especially given you have such a deep investment in it and I haven’t heard any alternatives. But once again I feel like that’s your best case scenario? Surely a loss to Trump would usher in a more favorable future candidate for you yes? By the way how is progressive fetterman and Bernie “can’t say ceasefire” doing? 1 1
bad guy Posted February 24 Posted February 24 32 minutes ago, LIT said: At this point, it really seems like the Biden administration would rather lose to Trump than budge even an inch on their uncompromising support for Israel's genocide of Palestinians. Probably has to do with him sharing the the same views as Trump on Israel
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 6 minutes ago, bad guy said: Probably has to do with him sharing the the same views as Trump on Israel Trump literally has a section of the golan heights named after him 1
byzantium Posted February 24 Posted February 24 36 minutes ago, GhostBox said: The house races are probably what the Dems are doing the best at right now. Because they have been taking seriously the need to run competitive candidates. Biden is not that. He is the weakest incumbent president to run in the modern era. That SHOULD be very concerning to you. 3
byzantium Posted February 24 Posted February 24 12 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Personally I think against Trump that Biden will still win, I’m genuinely interested in hearing what swing states you see Biden winning.
bad guy Posted February 24 Posted February 24 9 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Trump literally has a section of the golan heights named after him Cool. Biden's spent billions of American dollars to fund the genocide directly and has even tried to stuff more funds toward it in the newest DOA border legislation 7
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, byzantium said: I’m genuinely interested in hearing what swing states you see Biden winning. Probably the same ones as last time? We’ve already seen over and over that dems are winning house races, they’re bringing out voters especially when things like abortion access and rogue Supreme Court are genuine tangible issues affecting people here on the daily, yes people are expressing their disapproval, and they should, but I can’t imagine the enthusiasm we’ve seen in house races won’t translate across the board. Dems aren’t one issue voters like repubs, who over the past several years have actually lost a number of those pet issues, and we know the trans obsession isn’t working either. Even though Biden is irredeemable on the issue of Palestine, it won’t take many outbursts from the likes of Andy Ogles who advocated openly for their complete wipe out, or like those of Tuberville with his IVF comments, to remind the median voter that the right has nothing left to offer besides wanton cruelty and destruction. I mean **** even Alabama elected a dem senator under trumps years, honestly since 2016 repubs haven’t handedly won any election cycle since
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, bad guy said: Cool. Biden's spent billions of American dollars to fund the genocide directly and has even tried to stuff more funds toward it in the newest DOA border legislation And I’m supposed to do what with that 1 4
Happylittlepunk Posted February 24 Posted February 24 It’s time to accept that the US Democratic Party are equally as corrupt and vile as republicans. They are wiling to sacrifice the nation and lose to trump in order to fully support a talking corpse like Biden. Democrates look like they want start world war 3 with adding more attacks and more war support. They continue to ignore the working class. They aren’t really doing anything to solve the education or immigration policies and issues. In short Democrates are not your friends. 6 4 2
Miss Show Business Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, byzantium said: It turns out that telling voters, “shut up, we are not going to listen to you, just deal with it,” is not a good campaign strategy to create enthusiasm for a candidate. I'm sorry... This is not "another 2016". This is 1932 Weimar Republic Germany and the Nazis are knocking on the door, complete with a dystopian plan on exactly how they're going to dismantle and destroy every personal freedom afforded in this country. By not doing the ONE thing you can do to stop them, you are handing them the keys. This is exactly what happened in the Weimar Republic when the center left and left parties could not get it together and agree on a single candidate and vote against extremism and put their differences aside. Vote splitting is exactly how Hitler was able to grasp true power. I don't want to hear a single complaint about "fear mongering". Things can and will get far worse for millions of Americans if this wannabe dictator is not refused another term. If 2024 turns out to be another 2016, it won't be because "the Dems weren't inspiring enough!", It will be because of naïveté of voters who didn't believe things could get worse. 1 2 8
shimind Posted February 24 Posted February 24 4 more years of entertainment so we need the trump era back. 1
byzantium Posted February 24 Posted February 24 6 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Probably the same ones as last time? We’ve already seen over and over that dems are winning house races, they’re bringing out voters especially when things like abortion access and rogue Supreme Court are genuine tangible issues affecting people here on the daily Biden won those states by razor thin margins. And at the time he was running against the most unpopular president in the modern era. Now Biden is the most unpopular president and he has no cushion in these states. People keep bringing up outperforming in house races, but forget Democrats still lost the house in 2022. Republicans won a majority of seats in the House of Representatives. A repeat of 2022 would likely lead to a Trump victory. Lets look at the actual states: Georgia: Biden won this by 10,000 votes and right now is trailing points in every poll. A .3 point decline relative to trump and Georgia is lost. Arizona: Biden won by only 10,000 votes and again is trailing in every poll. A .4 point decline relative to trump and Arizona is lost. And now let’s talk Michigan: 17 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Even though Biden is irredeemable on the issue of Palestine, it won’t take many outbursts from the likes of Andy Ogles who advocated openly for their complete wipe out, or like those of Tuberville with his IVF comments, to remind the median voter that the right has nothing left to offer besides wanton cruelty and destruction. Biden won MI by around 150,000 votes. (I think this was his strongest swing state win). But as you said, Biden’s irredeemable policy in Palestine has not helped him with the over 300,000 people of middle Eastern descent in MI. If enough of those voters decide to simply stay home he won’t win the state. And again, he is losing every single poll in MI. 4
byzantium Posted February 24 Posted February 24 18 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: I'm sorry... This is not "another 2016". This is 1932 Weimar Republic Germany and the Nazis are knocking on the door, complete with a dystopian plan on exactly how they're going to dismantle and destroy every personal freedom afforded in this country. By not doing the ONE thing you can do to stop them, you are handing them the keys. This is exactly what happened in the Weimar Republic when the center left and left parties could not get it together and agree on a single candidate and vote against extremism and put their differences aside. Vote splitting is exactly how Hitler was able to grasp true power. I don't want to hear a single complaint about "fear mongering". Things can and will get far worse for millions of Americans if this wannabe dictator is not refused another term. If 2024 turns out to be another 2016, it won't be because "the Dems weren't inspiring enough!", It will be because of naïveté of voters who didn't believe things could get worse. So you agree that there should be immense pressure on the democrats to run a candidate that can win in 2024. Trump does not have a majority in this country and never has. Why are the democrats trying to hand him the election? 5
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Just now, byzantium said: Biden won those states by razor thin margins. And at the time he was running against the most unpopular president in the modern era. Now Biden is the most unpopular president and he has no cushion in these states. People keep bringing up outperforming in house races, but forget Democrats still lost the house in 2022. Republicans won a majority of seats in the House of Representatives. A repeat of 2022 would likely lead to a Trump victory. Lets look at the actual states: Georgia: Biden won this by 10,000 votes and right now is trailing points in every poll. A .3 point decline relative to trump and Georgia is lost. Arizona: Biden won by only 10,000 votes and again is trailing in every poll. A .4 point decline relative to trump and Arizona is lost. And now let’s talk Michigan: Biden won MI by around 150,000 votes. (I think this was his strongest swing state win). But as you said, Biden’s irredeemable policy in Palestine has not helped him with the over 300,000 people of middle Eastern descent in MI. If enough of those voters decide to simply stay home he won’t win the state. And again, he is losing every single poll in MI. Those are a lot of ifs and polls, which I’ve been told are unreliable since 2016, rather than the actual experience of Biden having won and all the races won since. Approval is no longer a useful tool when we’ve known that there’s a section of the Republican Party that have lost their minds and will never disapprove, it throws the actual comparison ability moot
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Just now, byzantium said: So you agree that there should be immense pressure on the democrats to run a candidate that can win in 2024. Trump does not have a majority in this country and never has. Why are the democrats trying to hand him the election? Who is your preferred candidate that current polling shows above Trump
byzantium Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Just now, Redstreak said: Those are a lot of ifs and polls, which I’ve been told are unreliable since 2016, rather than the actual experience of Biden having won and all the races won since. Approval is no longer a useful tool when we’ve known that there’s a section of the Republican Party that have lost their minds and will never disapprove, it throws the actual comparison ability moot But you forget those polls were always unreliable against trump, not for him. And again, those candidates you keep claim are winning are not Biden. No one is expecting Biden to have 60% approval. But he is struggling to get even 40%. That is still meaningful. 1
byzantium Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Redstreak said: Who is your preferred candidate that current polling shows above Trump Whitmer is currently polling far ahead in Michigan https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/09/michigan-poll-trump-biden-whitmer-00134672 If I was being strategic, I would pick her.
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 minute ago, byzantium said: But you forget those polls were always unreliable against trump, not for him. And again, those candidates you keep claim are winning are not Biden. No one is expecting Biden to have 60% approval. But he is struggling to get even 40%. That is still meaningful. And yet those people who are not Biden will still be running in 2024, now sure there could be some that will vote for down ballot and leave the president blank, but I can’t imagine the likelihood of that when we still have 9 more months of republicans loudly letting the mask slip
Redstreak Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, byzantium said: Whitmer is currently polling far ahead in Michigan https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/09/michigan-poll-trump-biden-whitmer-00134672 If I was being strategic, I would pick her. She would also be my pick and hopefully she’ll make a try in 2028, but outside of the small chance of her being selected by the party leaders should Biden regain sentience and resign, she isn’t even running. I know it sounds snarky but at the end of the day I still have to look at what actual options there are before me, Biden wasn’t even on the NH ballot and still won the primary Edited February 24 by Redstreak 1
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