base talk Is Beyoncé the ultimate Early 2000s ender?

[Yuanyu]

6 minutes ago, Triton said:

Usher had that “masterful marketing strategy” as well and how’s he doing? Especially WW? 

Usher hasn't released a successful project in over 10 years, he's not in the same conversation. 

[swissman]

5 minutes ago, Red Velvet said:

Texas hold em wasn't featured in the ad at all though?

 

Unless you mean the off camera "drop the new music" at the end?  Masterful marketing is her saying four non-specific words?

This. Anyone watching could very well have just thought that was the final punchline of the ad. It didn't play the music, name it, or even say "new music is out now".

 

 

Edited February 23 by swissman

[swissman]

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

She wishes 

The funny thing is that artistically Beyoncé has much more in common with both Madonna and Michael Jackson than Taylor. Taylor might have the stats, but both are so much more than statistics, and mean so much more than statistics. The music and blueprint of both artists actually changed and challenged culture, it didn't just soundtrack it.

 

 

Edited February 23 by swissman

[Josh]

Just now, swissman said:

The funny thing is that artistically Beyoncé has much more in common with both Madonna and Michael Jackson than Taylor. Taylor might have the stats, but both are so much more than statistics, and mean so much more than statistics. The music of both artists actually changed and challenged culture, it didn't just soundtrack it.

Appreciate you not being an ass towards me for my opinion. 

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Yuanyu said:

Usher hasn't released a successful project in over 10 years, he's not in the same conversation. 

He performed huge gigantic hits, live, for 15 minutes. Beyonce released a commercial that said “drop the new music”. By your metric, Usher should be hitting new peaks in global streams , just like a song that’s now about to officially be 2 weeks old. 
 

The Olympic level mental gymnastics to discredit Beyonces success by her haters is always a SIGHT to behold 

[Pheromosa]

Emenim is an anomaly, but so is she so 

[Rotunda]

Attributing Texas Hold ‘Em’s success to a marketing campaign is such a kii given the music:

 

1. Wasn’t featured in the ad

2. Wasn’t immediately available after the ad

3. Has only grown in daily streams since its release 

Edited February 23 by Rotunda

[bad guy]

Eminem's catalog sales are impressive but he hasn't had an album make much of dent since Marshal Mathers 2 and that was a decade ago. If Beyoncé had a staple GH album like a lot of 2000s artists put out back then I'm sure she'd be in IFPI's list all the time too since that's the only reason Eminem is.

 

OT: Yes.

[Noodles]

People will never be convinced of her success until she crosses to the veteran chapter of her career. We've been having this conversation every few years, for more than a decade already. It's nothing new 

[UnusualBoy]

She's behind Eminem in that regard but she's far ahead from her female peers.

[Katamari]

25 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

What marketing strategy? Announcing it at the superbowl? The Super Bowl is as irrelevant as it can get in countries like the Netherlands and Germany, and here we are a whole TWO WEEKS later, and: 

 

This song being more global than anything for Renni is so weird  thanks Shania I guess 

[Yuanyu]

1 minute ago, bad guy said:

Eminem's catalog sales are impressive but he hasn't had an album make much of dent since Marshal Mathers 2 and that was a decade ago. If Beyoncé had a staple GH album like a lot of 2000s artists put out back then I'm sure she'd be in IFPI's list all the time too since that's the only reason Eminem is.

 

OT: Yes.

It's funny because if I remember correctly, Eminem's last album, unpromoted and without a tour, has done much better than Beyoncé's latest album

[CallumDavies]

She didn’t end anyone’s career.

 

But she has outlasted all of her peers. She’s the only person I can think of who has consistently experienced critical and/or commercial success over the same time period. 

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Noodles said:

People will never be convinced of her success until she crosses to the veteran chapter of her career. We've been having this conversation every few years, for more than a decade already. It's nothing new 

For real. And they always come back with “it’s because of___why her single/album is successful” and list something totally stupid. 
 

Either way, what they fail to acknowledge: she remains, and has remained a huge A+ name in the music landscape that entire time, at the end of day. 

[Noodles]

1 minute ago, CallumDavies said:

She didn’t end anyone’s career.

 

But she has outlasted all of her peers. She’s the only person I can think of who has consistently experienced critical and/or commercial success over the same time period. 

Well about that...

 

[byzantium]

Beyoncé has considerable longevity but is still a long way off from Eminem.  
 

Also Coldplay seems to be doing pretty well. 

[swissman]

I don't think Eminem's success is not impressive. I just don't think success alone is enough to make your name carry through decades in the way that is being discussed. The lack of cultural impact his music has had since his last single with Rihanna (the biggest hit-maker of her generation) speaks to this. He can be immensely popular, the most popular perhaps, but if it's more due to a loyal fanbase and general nostalgia/affection for him, it's really not the same as when music makes waves beyond sales statistics.

[CallumDavies]

1 minute ago, Noodles said:

Well about that...

 

That wasn’t a career. It was dead on arrival. 

[Josh]

12 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

He performed huge gigantic hits, live, for 15 minutes. Beyonce released a commercial that said “drop the new music”. By your metric, Usher should be hitting new peaks in global streams , just like a song that’s now about to officially be 2 weeks old. 
 

The Olympic level mental gymnastics to discredit Beyonces success by her haters is always a SIGHT to behold 

And is anyone talking about his Half Time performance now? 

[prézli]

1 minute ago, Noodles said:

Well about that...

 

She wrote Gimme More and Break the Ice, so she reached the highest high.

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

And is anyone talking about his Half Time performance now? 

The only people I still see talking about Beyonces ad are the people on here who are using it as an excuse for why she currently has a song that is smashing globally and are unbelievably mad about it, aka people like you 

[Josh]

Just now, Bears01 said:

The only people I still see talking about Beyonces ad are the people on here who are using it as an excuse for why she currently has a song that is smashing globally and are unbelievably mad about it, aka people like you 

There are more people talking about Ren Act II than Usher

[Kimi]

Early 00 acts ended their own careers. Most pop stars don’t dream of being in the spotlight forever or they don’t have the talent to stay relevant once they’re no longer young. Thats what she has over them. Better managers too.

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

There are more people talking about Ren Act II than Usher

Yeah, because Beyonce is more successful than Usher. Which was what this thread was basically asking.  Now you’re getting the point  Usher, the #2 artist of the 2000’s decade, not some nobody 

[suneclipse121]

I think it’s pretty undeniable at this point. I see people bringing up Eminem and sure he has the numbers but his cultural relevance/capital is pretty much gone at this point and I think that’s his preference.

 

Beyonce still feels culturally relevant and her stats musically are in sync with that.