base talk Is Beyoncé the ultimate Early 2000s ender?

[PrettyHurts]

It's been obvious for more than a decade now that Beyoncé has outlasted the majority of her late 90s/Early 2000s peers such as Alicia, Britney, Xtina, Ashanti, Usher etc from a commercial standpoint. However, Justin and P!nk seemed to be able to score mainstream hits into the mid-late 2010s, while Beyoncé faltered in that area. Now, Justin and P!nk's latest eras appear to be paling in comparison to the Acts era, and its clear Bey is simply more popular overall and showing no signs of slowing down. It seems now that only Eminem is a potential threat to Beyoncé in terms of pre-2005 pop stars commercial success. Can she end him too? Or do you think she already did? 

 

What do you think? Is Beyoncé the ultimate Early 2000s ender?

 

[Sheep]

The recording artist who comes to represent a generation going forward isn't always the one with the biggest peak at the time. Anybody suggesting that Beyonce isn't THE defining artist of that era now is stuck in the past.

 

Madonna had a lot of former rivals that faded into the background while she continued her reign for another 40 years and Beyonce looks like she's going to do the same.

Edited February 23 by Sheep

[Bears01]

Eminem is still a major force in streaming, but Beyonce has been more successful/relevant than just about everyone else from that era and has been for a long time. She was scoring IFPI #1 global best selling albums Ffs, like come on 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the current Michael Jackson / Madonna of our generation

[Yuanyu]

Beyoncé has a long way to go to catch up with Eminem.
Not to mention that this latest hit is preceded by a masterful marketing strategy

[vale9001]

It's even a question? 

[Bears01]

Just now, Yuanyu said:

Beyoncé has a long way to go to catch up with Eminem.
Not to mention that this latest hit is preceded by a masterful marketing strategy

What marketing strategy? Announcing it at the superbowl? The Super Bowl is as irrelevant as it can get in countries like the Netherlands and Germany, and here we are a whole TWO WEEKS later, and: 

 

[Kodak Energy]

I don’t think Beyonce ended any of the main 00s artists careers.
 

They just don’t have the drive and creativity that she does, so she remains relevant decades later whilst they faded. 
 

I also don’t see her ever outselling Eminem, she dropped in 2022 and he didn’t but his catalog still moved more units.

[swissman]

56 minutes ago, Yuanyu said:

Beyoncé has a long way to go to catch up with Eminem.
Not to mention that this latest hit is preceded by a masterful marketing strategy

Eminem though? He may be statistically successful but his projects lack the scope and notoriety that Beyoncé's have. He might have the success factor, but certainly doesn't have the sort of iconography that Beyoncé has in terms of comparing her to the likes of Madonna and Michael Jackson, or submitting him to a discussion of pop longevity in regards to remaining as a relevant pop force, not just a successful one.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 23 by swissman

[Yuanyu]

1 minute ago, Bears01 said:

What marketing strategy? Announcing it at the superbowl? The Super Bowl is as irrelevant as it can get in countries like the Netherlands and Germany, and here we are a whole TWO WEEKS later, and: 

 

To act as if this advertisement has not gone viral all over the world is to think that we are fools.

[swissman]

5 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

What marketing strategy? Announcing it at the superbowl? The Super Bowl is as irrelevant as it can get in countries like the Netherlands and Germany, and here we are a whole TWO WEEKS later, and: 

 

 

The thing about chalking up Beyoncé's success merely to a marketing strategy is that much like the surprise release, if the music wasn't good, if people didn't like it, it wouldn't do much more than the initial few days of marketing strategy interest. What her strategies have done is set the songs up right, but they entirely rely on people actually enjoying the music for it to have any sort of success.

 

 

[Gorjesspazze9]

Female Artist then yeah probably. Eminem isn’t being touched in sales. Like not even close

[Gorjesspazze9]

5 minutes ago, swissman said:

Eminem though? He may be statistically successful but his projects lack the scope and notoriety that Beyoncé's have. He might have the success factor, but curtly doesn't have the sort of iconography that Beyoncé has in terms of comparing her to the likes of Madonna and Michael Jackson.

 

What even is his latest hit? And what was the masterful marketing strategy? In his home nation, it seems his last hit was on Ed Sheeran song that peaked at #31 four years ago.

His last hit was in 2020 with Godzilla, and it’s 1.3 billion streams and one of the biggest rap songs of the 2020’s. It has more streams than any Beyoncé song other then halo. Be fr. He just don’t have to promote or do anything like most Idols

Edited February 23 by Gorjesspazze9

[Feanor]

Amongst her female peers, she most definitely is.

 

However Eminen has made the IFPI global artists list at #11 and #14 for the past two years (with no new album/tour), while Beyoncé wasn't in the top 20 for either years. So no, amongst all her peers, she's still behind Eminem.

Edited February 23 by Feanor

[VerdantHue]

It's a blessing to live in the same time as Beyoncé.

Edited February 26 by VerdantHue

[Yuanyu]

1 minute ago, swissman said:

Eminem though? He may be statistically successful but his projects lack the scope and notoriety that Beyoncé's have. He might have the success factor, but curtly doesn't have the sort of iconography that Beyoncé has in terms of comparing her to the likes of Madonna and Michael Jackson.

 

 

Put it another way, Eminem a guy who barely leaves his house with very few public appearances, without having played a single song from his latest album live gets more streams and sales than Beyoncé. 
To be irrelevant he needs little to overshadow the Queen. 

 

[Triton]

10 minutes ago, Yuanyu said:

Beyoncé has a long way to go to catch up with Eminem.
Not to mention that this latest hit is preceded by a masterful marketing strategy

Usher had that “masterful marketing strategy” as well and how’s he doing? Especially WW? 

[NOW]

We all knew she was in a different league since she debuted solo. The only reason her success took a dip last decade was because she stopped playing the pop game to focus on more creative and artistic projects. Now that she has decided to do both again, it's cool to see her mass appeal has always been there.

[Bears01]

3 minutes ago, Yuanyu said:

To act as if this advertisement has not gone viral all over the world is to think that we are fools.

Ok, cool: usher performed at the Super Bowl. Why is Beyonce still gaining in streams for the song everyday while he isn’t? 
 

Beyonce reclaiming her title as a global hitmaker (she was arguably the biggest or damn near close to the biggest in the 2000’s) has BROKEN some brains and hurt some feelings, that’s obvious. 

[swissman]

I disagree that she ended anyone's career. She kinda of just minds her business and does her work and if others pale in comparison artistically, that's more their doing than a result of her excellence.

 

That being said, I do think she's made the right choices that have gotten her to this position of legendhood and public favour that has allowed her to get such immediate success as soon as she gives a great commercial track and does the bare minimum of promo (it still has no video or performance, however).

 

While many of her peers were switching their styles to fit the dance pop boom of the early 2010s, Beyoncé went about avoiding it. What this meant was that she ostensibly flopped while they were getting some of years' biggest hits. I won't name names, but you can figure out. There's at least 4-5 of her peers who all had major hits in 2010-2012. BUT the downside to following trends in order to hang onto your pop relevancy is that now you have become only as good as your last hit. In an effort to ensure you had a hit, you've entered a dynamic with the public where they won't think of you as being current unless you can get a hit. And the older you become, the more your style is dated, the more you'll have to switch it up (perhaps losing your artistic integrity) and follow trends.

 

What Beyoncé did was understand the trends, but always filter it through her brand DNA and overall, to focus more on artistic statements, albums as full experiences, rather than getting chart-toppers. This put her into a category of respect and awe, which made her continue her relevance even if she wasn't constantly at the top of the Hot 100 or even getting huge hits when she was.

 

In this regard, she's outlasted many because she put the work in to grow her career not just sustain it.

 

 

 

Edited February 23 by swissman

[swissman]

4 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

His last hit was in 2020 with Godzilla, and it’s 1.3 billion streams and one of the biggest rap songs of the 2020’s. It has more streams than any Beyoncé song other then halo. Be fr. He just don’t have to promote or do anything like most Idols

I removed that last part of what you quoted as I misunderstood what you said. I read "this" as "his".

 

 

[Yuanyu]

3 minutes ago, swissman said:

 

The thing about chalking up Beyoncé's success merely to a marketing strategy is that much like the surprise release, if the music wasn't good, if people didn't like it, it wouldn't do much more than the initial few days of marketing strategy interest. What her strategies have done is set the songs up right, but they entirely rely on people actually enjoying the music for it to have any sort of success.

 

 

I don't think it will have the same impact as a surprise release, mostly because the latter is aimed only at fans while an announcement like the one made by Beyoncé is for everyone, that said it is true that her music is good, but we can't forget that without that announcement the impact would have been lower

[Red Velvet]

9 minutes ago, Yuanyu said:

To act as if this advertisement has not gone viral all over the world is to think that we are fools.

Texas hold em wasn't featured in the ad at all though?

 

Unless you mean the off camera "drop the new music" at the end?  Masterful marketing is her saying four non-specific words?

Edited February 23 by Red Velvet

[Josh]

17 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the current Michael Jackson / Madonna of our generation

She wishes 

[swissman]

Just now, Yuanyu said:

I don't think it will have the same impact as a surprise release, mostly because the latter is aimed only at fans while an announcement like the one made by Beyoncé is for everyone, that said it is true that her music is good, but we can't forget that without that announcement the impact would have been lower

All the ad did was speed up the success though. They won't like it MORE because an ad said "drop the music", which, to your point, is still aimed primarily at fans or casual fans, because there's no way Joe from Kansas hear her said "drop the music" at the end of an ad and rushed to Spotify unless he was already a fan.