olivethetree Posted February 24 Posted February 24 then dont buy it??? It's not like this is an essential item they cant live without. Jobless behaviors
taylorrrr Posted February 24 Posted February 24 What's the big issue? I've been a fan since RED and have bought countless albums and merchandise. I have stopped buying multiple variations because I know what my priority should be. I'll always support her through streaming the albums. So all these 'fans' should grow up and be mature and stop complaining. No one is forcing them to buy anything -> If you do not have money then just don't buy it. What is so difficult? 1
olivethetree Posted February 24 Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Mons†erMuscle™ said: And to all asking why do we or her fans care... why does Taylor care? If it's all about the art, then why does she care about charts or breaking records? We live in a capitalist society sis. Everybody cares about money
Pop Fan Posted February 24 Posted February 24 2 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Thank you for being the counterpart to what a die-hard Taylor supporter usually is seen as. So it's a cash-grab and makes these Taylor stans complaining about it kind of right. So this deflection from her other stans in this thread is what should be studied. Most artists are doing the variants in terms of colors but these bonus tracks is something that only few do and if it's only to inflate album sales then no wonder some of us take some of her achievements as desperate because they are. More on that below. Taylor's main problem - which also alienates people who aren't her fans - is that even from that leaked email a couple of years back it was revealed she had been jealous of another newcomer (who ultimately didn't blow up) back when she herself was just starting out. The girl has always been driven by competition and was vindictive. Those two factors have been showing more and more and especially following the completely legal purchase of her catalogue by Scooter Braun. Her own father knew about it and people are buying that he didn't tell her. Of course he did. And she potentially knew and planned all of this out because her nature is vindictive. She's driven by revenge, whether it be to her exes in her songs or peers like Katy Perry. Regardless if her "enemies" were right or wrong, she's driven by it. Why would she want to accomplish more you asked. Well, she's got several records that she does not have that she does WANT. As far as I know, she doesn't even have the 2+ million opening week, why not try to break that one? Essentially, once someone is all about something - and Taylor's recent marketing is all about the records she's breaking - it's because it's what she intentionally is working towards. She's also lucky songwriting comes easy to her (even though more and more people are starting to mock her for it with all that "when you've heard one Taylor song, you've heard 99%" type of viral videos on social media), because then she can put her concentration on things that also matter to her and that's to be the biggest thing in music. She's PUSHING for it and it does come off as her FORCING these records upon her brand. And that's off-putting. I am of the opinion that many acts appear to achieve what they desperately want: Lady Gaga wants the Oscar and her film career is flourishing, Beyoncé wants to be this super respected music legend and it's working out so well for her as well. And Taylor? She wants those records more than anything else. But forcing herself onto others like she's currently doing with her downright running to the camera to showcase her love for Travis (who is either in on it or is a pond) and trying to befriend every artist whose fans are in the same demographic will ultimately be what potentially causes her downfall. And the backlash appearing now is different than the one that appeared in 2016. That one was about her being labeled a snake, this one is about people being just tired of her. And someone who's had enough is not someone who will be willingly paying your bills when the time comes. And that's the difference. I agree with her wanting to be the biggest and to break every record possible but that's it. You're reaching with most of your takes. She's pushing for records when it comes to the marketing strategies and promotion. However...She's not trying to befriend other artists or faking her relationship. If she did that she'd hang out and collaborate with artists like Drake, The Weeknd, Billie or Olivia and not with Brendon Urie, Dixie Chicks, Ed Sheeran, Phoebe, Chris, Bon Iver, The National and Lana. She's genuine as an artist and songwriter, she's kinda calculated and strategic when it comes to marketing and promotion which is not a bad thing. She's clearly proud of her music and wants it to be as successful as possible. 1 2
dirrtydiana Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Extremely Stable said: Her awards, her acclaimed discography and you still seething 1 hour ago, The Music Industry said: This "arts not the charts" shtick you're trying to defend would stick a bit better if it wasn't for the fact that Taylor's discography is massively acclaimed . Beyond the chart success, she factually has the acclaim, the impact and the accolades. You're just arguing to argue, which is not very surprising considering over 80% of your posts on this forum are about Taylor Swift, someone you don't even like. Everything mentioned is bought and no one pays attention or cares outside this forum. Nor will it be remembered hence why that user said, take away her record sales and you’ve got some high school chick with a guitar 1 1
Pop Fan Posted February 24 Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Everything mentioned is bought and no one pays attention or cares outside this forum. Nor will it be remembered hence why that user said, take away her record sales and you’ve got some high school chick with a guitar I miss the times when people would debate about things and explain their arguments and why they agree or disagree with you. The "buying accolades" is the most pathetic and lame excuse ever. This literally shows that you have no real argument to support your claims. It shows that ur opinion is irrelevant/wrong. And also that ur just bitter cuz you don't think they deserved the all of the accolades they got. Take away Taylors record sales and you still got record breaking 4 AOTY Grammy wins (14 Grammys overall), 1 Emmy, 40 AMAs, 40 BBMAs, 23 VMAs, 15 EMAs, 20 PCAs, 19 IHeartRadio Music Awards, the biggest tour and concert film of all time, massive acclaim, massive impact and influence. 6 1
kwek_kwek Posted February 24 Posted February 24 It screams capitalism. She’s greedy and the most capitalist artist. No one’s forcing the fans to buy all of them? Sure, jan. But die hard fans will be forced to buy other variants because of bonus tracks that won’t be available in OG cover and streaming services. Since most stans would want to listen to the tracks and cannot wait for months or years to be available on streaming. She could have just put those bonus tracks in one deluxe edition. It is not comparable to other artists who release multiple variants without bonus tracks. 2
kwek_kwek Posted February 24 Posted February 24 19 minutes ago, BtDecember said: 🥱 Legit question, aside from Guts, are those variants have bonus tracks like what Taylor is doing now? 1
Apolonio ₃₄ Posted February 24 Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Cameltoe Chariot said: I always know I hit a nerve with the swifties when my ATRL notifications dropdown menu starts looking like this: No shade to the swifties but this made me scream. 11 pages of ya’ll cutting up is sending me. 2
Dragonfly Posted February 24 Posted February 24 It doesn´t affect me personally, but artists could at least reveal all variants at once, up front. Now fans are cancelling preorders cause there´s suddenly a new version they like better... that must be annoying. 1
family.guy123 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 30 minutes ago, BtDecember said: 🥱 Source is your own twitter 😂 1
burninredhot Posted February 24 Posted February 24 The usual suspects trying to act all high and mighty in this thread Yes Taylor is a capitalist but stop acting like you care about the issue and just say you're a hater and leave. Be Real
Jay07 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 48 minutes ago, BtDecember said: 🥱 Again, all of these (bar Olivia I guess?) were just different colors, they didn't have an exclusive song on each variant. Olivia should also get backlash but it's funny that Taylor hasn't found an exploitative tactic to milk her fans she didn't adopt immediately, from dynamic pricing to digital signature to timed remixes to this. And certain people in here are still acting like her personal PR department lmao. Edited February 24 by Jay07 2
Robert Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Just don't buy it, like no one is holding a gun to your head.
dirrtydiana Posted February 24 Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Pop Fan said: I miss the times when people would debate about things and explain their arguments and why they agree or disagree with you. The "buying accolades" is the most pathetic and lame excuse ever. This literally shows that you have no real argument to support your claims. It shows that ur opinion is irrelevant/wrong. And also that ur just bitter cuz you don't think they deserved the all of the accolades they got. Take away Taylors record sales and you still got record breaking 4 AOTY Grammy wins (14 Grammys overall), 1 Emmy, 40 AMAs, 40 BBMAs, 23 VMAs, 15 EMAs, 20 PCAs, 19 IHeartRadio Music Awards, the biggest tour and concert film of all time, massive acclaim, massive impact and influence. Only the bolded part is something indisputable if it’s so “pathetic” for people to point that fact out then how come you don’t provide evidence for them not being obtained in a corrupt/manipulated/arbitrary manner. These awards mean nothing at the end of the day and these “critics” y’all cling to are literally paid opinions. 🤦♀️ Let’s turn it around: there’s another thread about her never winning SOTY, a fact that would perplex the average person nowadays 1
WeWon Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) She’s money-hungry. Proven by her love of suing people and now this. Eras tour wasn’t enough for her. She needs more. Edited February 24 by WeWon
Dante Silva Posted February 24 Posted February 24 I wonder if this is a response communication in evolutionary context of an artist having a par-asocial relationship with their fanbase? As in, they feel she has allowed them in-to the secret world of her thought process and her fanbase are now responding by pushing the envelope to see if she responds to something more pointed from them?
rihannasbe$tfrnd Posted February 24 Posted February 24 She looks extra smelly on this new cover, like all that money and she can’t buy a comb to brush that thing on her head 1
Life Savers Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) Just go on Google Drive it's not that deep (or wait a couple months for when she drops it on Spotify it anyway). Part of me hopes Poets gets a Reputation treatment and the fandom can drop this kind of annoying bandwagon fan. Edited February 24 by Life Savers
RandomHooker Posted February 24 Posted February 24 The irony of Tayble stains calling "casual" fans jobless. 1 1
Bosque Posted February 24 Posted February 24 The page long essays written by people who claim not to care about her and not listen to her music The fact that most of them do this for hours every day in every Taylor Swift thread
Watson! Posted February 24 Posted February 24 9 minutes ago, Dephira said: The page long essays written by people who claim not to care about her and not listen to her music The fact that most of them do this for hours every day in every Taylor Swift thread all this mental gymnastics just because you don't want to accept the obvious. people should have the chance to purchase the whole project without buying 5-10 different variants. 4
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