Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 32 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Plus, 1989 has a diamond certified song of its own (Shake It Off), a diamond eligible song that's never going to be certified because Shamrock won't bother spending the money to do it (Blank Space), and 2 songs with a cumulative 10 million units (Wildest Dreams and Bad Blood, with Style right behind). Just say 1989 has 3 diamonds itself; sio, bs and the album itself period. No need other nonsenses. also, shake it all racked up more total units than whatever Gaga’s biggest song was.
Gladiator Posted February 20 Posted February 20 so the most popular artists currently are also the most streamed. Got it 1
PrudenceHCharmed Posted February 20 Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Kasix said: No. It’s a Gaga Stan who couldn’t just let it go and be content with the fact that Taylor rn is much bigger than Gaga was in 2009. I mean, the post literally started with talking about Spotify and Gaga hasn’t been a thing for years since Spotify took off. And the fact that they use figure of two albums combined (TF+ TFM) to inflate the sales 1
Klein Posted February 20 Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: And the fact that they use figure of two albums combined (TF+ TFM) to inflate the sales While at the same time saying we shouldn't do that to account for Taylor's current peak.
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: And the fact that they use figure of two albums combined (TF+ TFM) to inflate the sales Wait really, That is what happened? I actually thought Gaga really had an album at 40m units which my memory never remembered seeing. this is some extra level of pathetic behavior right there
wastedpotential Posted February 20 Posted February 20 8 hours ago, Kasix said: Just say 1989 has 3 diamonds itself; sio, bs and the album itself period. No need other nonsenses. also, shake it all racked up more total units than whatever Gaga’s biggest song was. If you're going to provide public debate critiques at least consider proofreading your post first Spoiler Plus, given how overly reliant they are on the combination of multiple albums to make their argument, they can't discredit combining units from the originals and the re-recordings without poking a massive hole in their own argument. I can't speak to how big Gaga's biggest song was because I don't follow her numbers closely, but Bad Romance was one of the first songs to ever go diamond and it's been racking up units for a very long time, so I wouldn't feel confident in unilaterally declaring Shake It Off to be bigger.
Witnessed ET Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/18/2024 at 3:38 PM, halcyonday said: Gaga and Katy neck to neck as usual When you think about how Gaga has double the material that Katy has, it’s even funnier 6
Feanor Posted February 20 Posted February 20 15 hours ago, Kasix said: Hahahaha Bruh my stomach is about to burst from reading this hahajafaga “TF will potentially reach 50m” while Gaga’s album daily streams is in the 6 figures. It’d take her 70 years to sell another 10M meanwhile, Midnights is selling 90-100K each week, ~5M per year. Hell it’s still in the top 10s of US, UK, GER, AUS etc as we speak. It’s gonna reach 40M than TF no cap. And that’s if 1989 doesn’t do it first. Reveal hidden contents Not the back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to back… No wonder that user went suddenly silent, but watch him re-appear in another thread spreading the same delusions that were already clocked here, and many times before… 1
KingJay Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Do the “stolen” versions of Taylor count towards her streaming total?
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 9 hours ago, wastedpotential said: I can't speak to how big Gaga's biggest song was because I don't follow her numbers closely, but Bad Romance was one of the first songs to ever go diamond and it's been racking up units for a very long time, so I wouldn't feel confident in unilaterally declaring Shake It Off to be bigger. 18 hours ago, Kasix said: also, shake it all racked up more total units than whatever Gaga’s biggest song was. No, it didn't. Poker Face: #1 in 22 countries Shake It Off: #1 in 10 countries Bad Romance: #1 in 23 countries Blank Space: #1 in 7 countries (and those are #1's without year-end charts) IFPI Year-end chart: Poker Face: #1 (2009) Bad Romance: #2 (2010) Shake It Off: N/A (2014) Blank Space: #8 (2015) Gaga's singles completely obliterate Taylor's biggest ones in both their respective peaks. I don't know what their current total units are but all four were released during the digital era and Gaga outsold her. That is on top of Gaga doing 40M with as many albums combined as the 1989 has with its re-recording. You can post all those asian charts that weren't invented pre-2020 to flaunt Taylor's #1s but we all suspect Gaga would've probably had #1s there as well from 2009-13 had those charts been around then. But they weren't so that's why you cannot use that as an argument. Gaga had the bigger hits and so far has still the edge with her TF era. There are so many factors that also aren't applied to Gaga's peak like the illegal copies from Latin America and Asia (where she was absolutely huge) because of how piracy dominated the digital era, something Taylor in her current peak doesn't have to worry about. Poker Face would've added at least MILLIONS of extra copies without LimeWire, so TF would've had even more units in a much healthier music landscape. I think it's undeniable that in Europe Gaga's peak was bigger (more #1s, bigger hit singles) and in the US it's absolutely Taylor. In the UK it's probably still Gaga while in Australia it's Taylor. In Japan it's Gaga, obviously, and the rest of Asia can't be discussed as there weren't official charts back in 2010 and now there are with streaming overtaking the industry. So Gaga hasn't been collecting her sales from there when she peaked. These are all valid points that everyone outside of Taylor's stans will understand. Edited February 21 by BrandNewBrandon 1 8
Kasix Posted February 21 Posted February 21 lol this loser had his fave’s entire 15 years of existence blown out of water in 20 months and still wants to type more words than his college paper to save face. Give it a break. I might have to start reporting you for trolling. 5 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: No, it didn't. Poker Face: #1 in 22 countries Shake It Off: #1 in 10 countries Bad Romance: #1 in 23 countries Blank Space: #1 in 7 countries (and those are #1's without year-end charts) IFPI Year-end chart: Poker Face: #1 (2009) Bad Romance: #2 (2010) Shake It Off: N/A (2014) Blank Space: #8 (2015) Gaga's singles completely obliterate Taylor's biggest ones in both their respective peaks. I don't know what their current total units are but all four were released during the digital era and Gaga outsold her. That is on top of Gaga doing 40M with as many albums combined as the 1989 has with its re-recording. You can post all those asian charts that weren't invented pre-2020 to flaunt Taylor's #1s but we all suspect Gaga would've probably had #1s there as well from 2009-13 had those charts been around then. But they weren't so that's why you cannot use that as an argument. Gaga had the bigger hits and so far has still the edge with her TF era. There are so many factors that also aren't applied to Gaga's peak like the illegal copies from Latin America and Asia (where she was absolutely huge) because of how piracy dominated the digital era, something Taylor in her current peak doesn't have to worry about. Poker Face would've added at least MILLIONS of extra copies without LimeWire, so TF would've had even more units in a much healthier music landscape. I think it's undeniable that in Europe Gaga's peak was bigger (more #1s, bigger hit singles) and in the US it's absolutely Taylor. In the UK it's probably still Gaga while in Australia it's Taylor. In Japan it's Gaga, obviously, and the rest of Asia can't be discussed as there weren't official charts back in 2010 and now there are with streaming overtaking the industry. So Gaga hasn't been collecting her sales from there when she peaked. These are all valid points that everyone outside of Taylor's stans will understand. 1 1
Kasix Posted February 21 Posted February 21 17 minutes ago, KingJay said: Do the “stolen” versions of Taylor count towards her streaming total? Yes, as long as they’re getting streamed, it’s added onto the tally. 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 21 Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, Kasix said: lol this loser had his fave’s entire 15 years of existence blown out of water in 20 months and still wants to type more words than his college paper to save face. Give it a break. I might have to start reporting you for trolling. You just claimed Shake It Off was bigger than Poker Face and Bad Romance, I gave you EVIDENCE that it is NOT so you decide to call me a loser You lost the discussion 1 6
JuanitoKasicki Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You just claimed Shake It Off was bigger than Poker Face and Bad Romance, I gave you EVIDENCE that it is NOT so you decide to call me a loser You lost the discussion ? it is literally true. Shake It Off sold more units despite gaga having a 5 year head start. it is objectively the bigger hit compared to poker face and bad romance. how many more Ls do you wanna take before accepting reality? Edited February 21 by JuanitoKasicki 4 3
JuanitoKasicki Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) im sure you were called a "loser", not because of your unrelenting effort to deny objective; which all the other gaga stans here already admitted to - that taylor is way bigger than gaga now (they were so baffled by your denial in fact, that they thought you are trolling) im sure you were called a "loser" because you might have found this one angle to talk about (which turned out to have collapsed also), after losing on all fronts, all day long... Edited February 21 by JuanitoKasicki 4 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 21 Posted February 21 17 minutes ago, JuanitoKasicki said: im sure you were called a "loser", not because of your unrelenting effort to deny objective; which all the other gaga stans here already admitted to - that taylor is way bigger than gaga now (they were so baffled by your denial in fact, that they thought you are trolling) im sure you were called a "loser" because you might have found this one angle to talk about (which turned out to have collapsed also), after losing on all fronts, all day long... You posted completely fake numbers. Shake It Off has never sold 270,000 in Poland nor has it sold 600,000 in Germany. Like, wtf. You run into a discussion thinking you'd contribute anything and then post fake numbers These are her official Polish certifications from the official Polish ZPAV updated regularly (as seen its last update was late last month) https://olis.pl/charts/oficjalna-lista-wyroznien And these are the German ones: https://www.musikindustrie.de/wie-musik-zur-karriere-werden-kann/markt-bestseller/gold-/platin-und-diamond-auszeichnung/datenbank/#topSearch It's not even close to those numbers in Poland or Germany where it's at 100,000, not 600,000 as the picture you claimed. Every other source, whether it be Chartmasters, Mediatraffic or official chart placements and certifications are showcasing to you that Poker Face is bigger than Shake It Off and you post THAT? Get a grip, man. 1
JuanitoKasicki Posted February 21 Posted February 21 1 minute ago, BrandNewBrandon said: You posted completely fake numbers. Shake It Off has never sold 270,000 in Poland nor has it sold 600,000 in Germany. Like, wtf. You run into a discussion thinking you'd contribute anything and then post fake numbers These are her official Polish certifications from the official Polish ZPAV updated regularly (as seen its last update was late last month) https://olis.pl/charts/oficjalna-lista-wyroznien And these are the German ones: https://www.musikindustrie.de/wie-musik-zur-karriere-werden-kann/markt-bestseller/gold-/platin-und-diamond-auszeichnung/datenbank/#topSearch It's not even close to those numbers in Poland or Germany where it's at 100,000, not 600,000 as the picture you claimed. Every other source, whether it be Chartmasters, Mediatraffic or official chart placements and certifications are showcasing to you that Poker Face is bigger than Shake It Off and you post THAT? Get a grip, man. so on top of: having a smaller career hit having your fave's total units outsold in 2 years caught lying for combining 2 albums into one having a smaller career album x 2 (soon to be x3) entire touring career outgrossed by 20 shows how much harder do you wanna get destroyed lol? people literally stopped replying to you cus theyre tired of destroying you lol. 2 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 21 Posted February 21 1 minute ago, JuanitoKasicki said: so on top of: having a smaller career hit having your fave's total units outsold in 2 years caught lying for combining 2 albums into one having a smaller career album x 2 (soon to be x3) entire touring career outgrossed by 20 shows how much harder do you wanna get destroyed lol? people literally stopped replying to you cus theyre tired of destroying you lol. How was I caught lying when that's the way the industry is counting that album? I don't what you are but you look like a troll whose only contribution is to provide fake numbers. 1
Hunter_13 Posted February 21 Posted February 21 Ahhh, I love to see the most global female artist at #1 where she belongs! 1
JuanitoKasicki Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: How was I caught lying when that's the way the industry is counting that album? I don't what you are but you look like a troll whose only contribution is to provide fake numbers. lets take a look at how unhinged this sounds: biggest album: taylor > gaga career sales: taylor > gaga touring: taylor > gaga celebrity/star power: taylor>gaga biggest hits: taylor > gaga (i take the sourced accounts vs the words of a caught liar any day.) you still refuse to accept the reality that taylor is obviously bigger than gaga ever was, yet im the one trolling? Edited February 21 by JuanitoKasicki 4
JuanitoKasicki Posted February 21 Posted February 21 33 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: How was I caught lying when that's the way the industry is counting that album? oh and, another lie lmao. nobody on this planet, let alone the "industry" counts 2 albums as one; other than those 2 people running chartmaster in their basement. the length this user has gone through to lie to himself is astonishing.
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JuanitoKasicki said: oh and, another lie lmao. nobody on this planet, let alone the "industry" counts 2 albums as one; other than those 2 people running chartmaster in their basement. the length this user has gone through to lie to himself is astonishing. 42 minutes ago, JuanitoKasicki said: lets take a look at how unhinged this sounds: biggest album: taylor > gaga career sales: taylor > gaga touring: taylor > gaga celebrity/star power: taylor>gaga biggest hits: taylor > gaga (i take the sourced accounts vs the words of a caught liar any day.) you still refuse to accept the reality that taylor is obviously bigger than gaga ever was, yet im the one trolling? https://ew.com/article/2016/10/30/lady-gaga-joanne-sales-no-1-album/ Entertaintment Weekly: "Despite selling over 15 million albums worldwide, Gaga’s freshman outing, 2008’s The Fame, reached a peak of No. 2 on the Billboard 200." BBC: "Her debut - The Fame - has sold more than 15 million copies and included hits like Just Dance, LoveGame, Paparazzi and Poker Face." And then there's Forbes and other sources as well that combine those two. Either that or The Fame (without The Fame Monster) has sold 15 million copies which also means it has outsold 1989 in pure copies. Whichever way you spin it, TF is bigger than Taylor's biggest Now, go and troll somewhere else with those fake numbers. And seethe while you're at it. Edited February 21 by BrandNewBrandon 1
The Music Industry Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: https://ew.com/article/2016/10/30/lady-gaga-joanne-sales-no-1-album/ Entertaintment Weekly: "Despite selling over 15 million albums worldwide, Gaga’s freshman outing, 2008’s The Fame, reached a peak of No. 2 on the Billboard 200." BBC: "Her debut - The Fame - has sold more than 15 million copies and included hits like Just Dance, LoveGame, Paparazzi and Poker Face." And then there's Forbes and other sources as well that combine those two. Either that or The Fame (without The Fame Monster) has sold 15 million copies which also means it has outsold 1989 in pure copies. Whichever way you spin it, TF is bigger than Taylor's biggest Now, go and troll somewhere else with those fake numbers. And seethe while you're at it. The way you desperately hang on to that 2008 album for dear life is so embarrassing We're in 2024. Outside of one move soundtrack, Gaga hasn't been musically relevant since 2013. Literally any metric you look at (album sales, single sales, equivalent units, touring gross, views, airplay, audio streams, net worth, social media following, Google searches) clearly shows Taylor is overall a much bigger artist than Gaga. Is it really THAT hard for you to admit it? Why don't you just let it go? Edited February 21 by The Music Industry 6
JuanitoKasicki Posted February 21 Posted February 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrandNewBrandon said: BBC: "Her debut - The Fame - has sold more than 15 million copies and included hits like Just Dance, LoveGame, Paparazzi and Poker Face." And then there's Forbes and other sources as well that combine those two. Either that or The Fame (without The Fame Monster) has sold 15 million copies which also means it has outsold 1989 in pure copies. Whichever way you spin it, TF is bigger than Taylor's biggest bruh im sorry, are you aware of how insane you sound..? you literally just Described for me how gaga is not as big as taylor 1. gaga needs to combine 2 albums to match one of taylor's 2. if she cant combine them, then she doesnt have the biggest album by total sales, only by one specific format. 3. but hey dont worry, gaga is somehow bigger than taylor though despite not being bigger. damn. i hope the lord shed some mercy on your poor tormented soul..im not even religious but this is probably the only thing that could help you lmao. the level of delusion and self-deception is off the charts. Edited February 21 by JuanitoKasicki
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