KOMH Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 Someone transport that user back to present day I beg clinging onto those dusty 2009 stats for dear life 1 1
suburbannature Posted February 20 Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, Kimi said: 9 albums vs 3 albums be serious And Lana would still have more dividing them 2.2 million per album vs 2.8 million total (930k per album) and that’s a disadvantage to Lana by not using her first three versus Lorde’s first three. you stay bitter it’s wild
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 20 Posted February 20 28 minutes ago, Kasix said: Also, midnights on track to reach 40M too. It’s literally only been out for 1 1/2 year & already at 15M. Gaga had 15 years to reach 40m, You don’t think midnights is gonna cruise to 40m from 10 years of streaming? So yea, congrats. You just let me know Taylor will have a streaming era album racking up more sales than Gaga’s who got hers during the pure sales era. You got rekt again. I'm not sure what rekt means but that's beside the topic. Midnights is at 15 million. It's not "cruising" towards 40 million which is still 25 million units away which is more than Midnights did when it was the #1 album. By the time Midnights goes to 40 million TF will potentially be at 50 million etc. it won't catch up to it anytime soon. TF is the bigger era therefore the bigger peak. Until Taylor surpasses that there's no discussion.
Kimi Posted February 20 Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, suburbannature said: And Lana would still have more dividing them 2.2 million per album vs 2.8 million total (930k per album) and that’s a disadvantage to Lana by not using her first three versus Lorde’s first three. you stay bitter it’s wild lorde is just not playing the game like that lmao, lana dropped 5 albums since melodrama 6th coming coon, obvs shes gonna have more streams thats how streaming relevancy works. whats wild is you living through those stats as if they are yours, idc who outstreams who.
suburbannature Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Kimi said: lorde is just not playing the game like that lmao, lana dropped 5 albums since melodrama 6th coming coon, obvs shes gonna have more streams thats how streaming relevancy works. whats wild is you living through those stats as if they are yours, idc who outstreams who. you don't care and yet you entered this thread to cry and make excuses Btw, Born to Die (older than any Lorde album) alone nearly doubles Lorde's entire discography in daily streams and UV alone outstreams her entire discography by 200k streams Edited February 20 by suburbannature
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 6 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: I'm not sure what rekt means but that's beside the topic. Midnights is at 15 million. It's not "cruising" towards 40 million which is still 25 million units away which is more than Midnights did when it was the #1 album. By the time Midnights goes to 40 million TF will potentially be at 50 million etc. it won't catch up to it anytime soon. TF is the bigger era therefore the bigger peak. Until Taylor surpasses that there's no discussion. Hahahaha Bruh my stomach is about to burst from reading this hahajafaga “TF will potentially reach 50m” while Gaga’s album daily streams is in the 6 figures. It’d take her 70 years to sell another 10M meanwhile, Midnights is selling 90-100K each week, ~5M per year. Hell it’s still in the top 10s of US, UK, GER, AUS etc as we speak. It’s gonna reach 40M than TF no cap. And that’s if 1989 doesn’t do it first. Spoiler 4 2 1 1
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) and again: thats my secondary argument. My first being: you keep trying to say “TF is a bigger era” cus it has sold 40M albums in 15 years. Then how is the eras-tour era not bigger than Gaga’s entire career? Taylor’s projected 85M sales in 2 years > Gaga’s 85M in 15 years, yes? i desperately need an explanation here Brandon. Edited February 20 by Kasix 8 1
spree Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/18/2024 at 4:38 PM, halcyonday said: Gaga and Katy neck to neck as usual must be on the same level. 1 1
The Music Industry Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Second, we're talking peak eras. No. You insist on constantly trying to limit the conversation to "peak eras" because you know that if the conversation is extended more broadly to their career and who is actually the most successful artist as a whole, your favorite artist objectively can't hold a candle to Taylor Swift. And then even when discussing peaks, you always ignore the fact that Taylor's peak simply cannot be defined by a singular album, and that Taylor at her peak was more successful, because that also doesn't fit into your weird nostalgic narrative that 2009 Gaga is the biggest thing to ever grace the face of Earth. Just move on already. We're in 2024, sir. Edited February 20 by The Music Industry 4
The Music Industry Posted February 20 Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Kasix said: and again: thats my secondary argument. My first being: you keep trying to say “TF is a bigger era” cus it has sold 40M albums in 15 years. Then how is the eras tour era not bigger than Gaga’s entire career? Taylor’s projected 85M sales in 2 years vs Gaga’s 85M in 15 years? i desperately need an explanation here Brandon. It's because in 2009 people downloaded illegal copies on LimeWire11!1!1! If we count all the LimeWire downloads and the burnt CDs The Fame is at 200M units!1!! 1
Kodak Energy Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: I'm not sure what rekt means but that's beside the topic. Midnights is at 15 million. It's not "cruising" towards 40 million which is still 25 million units away which is more than Midnights did when it was the #1 album. By the time Midnights goes to 40 million TF will potentially be at 50 million etc. it won't catch up to it anytime soon. TF is the bigger era therefore the bigger peak. Until Taylor surpasses that there's no discussion. I agree midnights isn’t catching TFm anytime soon. 1989+TV has a great chance though to be fair. It’s done like 16m SPSin the US (13m OG, 3m TV), over 35m WW and it’s getting about 16m a day on Spotify compared to TF+M’s 5m. Edited February 20 by Kodak Energy
Smarticle Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Oh, this was just a huge circlejerk for the Swiftie OGHs 1 3
WildHeart Posted February 20 Posted February 20 4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Midnights couldn't catch up to TF, neither could 1989. NOTHING Taylor has ever done has topped TF in global success. The Fame: 40 million units Midnights: 14.4 million units 1989: 34.7 million units Lover: 16.4 million units TFM - 40,023,000 (+5,550) 1989 - 34,807,000 (+21,930) Total gap - 5.216M Daily gap - 16.3k With the current gap, 1989 will surpass TFM's units in the next 320 days despite being 5 years newer than TFM. 4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Second, we're talking peak eras. No we don't, YOU do because you know that's all your fave has... 1
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, Smarticle said: Oh, this was just a huge circlejerk for the Swiftie OGHs No. It’s a Gaga Stan who couldn’t just let it go and be content with the fact that Taylor rn is much bigger than Gaga was in 2009. I mean, the post literally started with talking about Spotify and Gaga hasn’t been a thing for years since Spotify took off. 7
Smarticle Posted February 20 Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Kasix said: No. It’s a Gaga Stan who couldn’t just let it go and be content with the fact that Taylor rn is much bigger than Gaga was in 2009. I mean, the post literally started with talking about Spotify and Gaga hasn’t been a thing for years since Spotify took off. And who are the ones taking the bait
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Kodak Energy said: I agree midnights isn’t catching TFm anytime soon. 1989+TV has a great chance though to be fair. It’s done like 16m SPSin the US (13m OG, 3m TV), over 35m WW and it’s getting about 16m a day on Spotify compared to TF+M’s 5m. Of course midnights is catching up to tm very soon. It’ll do so in 5-7 years which is a short time to cross 40m sales, certainly faster than tm took. it doesn’t even matter though. Cus again, Taylor sold 80M albums between 2023-2024 while Gaga sold 80m in 15 years. If that user wants to talk “peak” then there is literally no way around the fact that just 2 years of Taylor’s eras-tour era > Gaga’s 15 years of career. Edited February 20 by Kasix 1
Kodak Energy Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kasix said: Of course midnights is catching up to tm very soon. It’ll do so in 5-7 years which is a short time to cross 40m sales, certainly faster than tm took. it doesn’t even matter though. Cus again, Taylor sold 80M albums between 2023-2024 while Gaga sold 80m in 15 years. If that user wants to talk “peak” then there is literally no way around the fact that just 2 years or Taylor’s eras tour era > Gaga’s 15 years of career. If Taylor remains the worlds biggest act absolutely destroying everyone yeah it’ll get to TFM in 5-6 years. I don’t think that user is crazy enough to suggest Gaga had the bigger peak though, nobody would believe that. Just that TF+M was more successful from 2008-2010 than Midnights is from 2022-2024 which is fair. 1989’s gonna snatch TFM this year though and gaining faster than Midnights, it’s just an absolutely insane era. Edited February 20 by Kodak Energy 1
burninredhot Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/19/2024 at 5:42 AM, Tovitov said: Ah yes, T-Swift fans punching down and going after Gaga. The least you could do is go after someone whose released in the last 4 years instead of going after our semi retired make-up chanteuse fave. Maybe if the gaga stans didn't try to derail every single chart thread with digital sales figures from their fav from a decade ago 5
Hunter_13 Posted February 20 Posted February 20 Ugh, Taylor! What a queen! Love the most global and successful pop girl!
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kodak Energy said: If Taylor remains the worlds biggest act absolutely destroying everyone yeah it’ll get to TFM in 5-6 years. I don’t think that user is crazy enough to suggest Gaga had the bigger peak though, nobody would believe that. Just that TF+M was more successful from 2008-2010 than Midnights is from 2022-2024 which is fair. 1989’s gonna snatch TFM this year though and gaining faster than Midnights, it’s just an absolutely insane era. Lol that’s literally what he was trying to say this whole time. While having his fave’s entire 15 years of career total sales surpassed in 24 months. Edited February 20 by Kasix 4
Kill Me Posted February 20 Posted February 20 4 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Taylor did not do that much with one album. She wouldn't have been doing that if she only released Midnights. And if you say she would've then anyone can also say Gaga could achieved that if she released another album in 2010. So the comparison doesn't make sense because one has released three albums in a year and the other has not. What DOES make sense, however, is comparing individual eras since both of them had those. And in those individual eras Gaga outdid Taylor with more consumption per album and the bigger hits. It's not fair to compare her achievement in terms of peaks with stating how many units she moved with 10+ albums in one year against an artist that only had one album out when she was peaking. Like, what else was Gaga going to move units with other than TF? So in that way, their peaks can only be compared with individual eras. That's the most fair. Sure, Taylor moved more units with 10+ albums charting but as a fan of Taylor's you also have way more albums TO consume than a Gaga fan had in 2010. In other words, all Taylor stans consumed Midnights or 1989 in one way or another and all Gaga fans consumed TF in one way or another. And what album had more units? TF. I wouldn't argue than Taylor is CLOSE behind Gaga in terms of peaks at all but with what we can compare and draw comparisons from, Gaga clearly still has the edge in terms of peaks with TF. Who gives a ****? Gaga's peak was so insignificant that she basically became irrelevant overnight. Taylor's peak will ensure her atleast 5 more years at the top of the IFPI charts. Don't compete where you don't compare. 2
wastedpotential Posted February 20 Posted February 20 5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Lady Gaga's debut era is the second best-selling after Adele in the 21st Century so regardless how you spin it, Gaga still had the bigger peak: And she has three Diamond singles from that era alone, more than Taylor during her peak. You can rabble on about someone releasing three new albums in a calender year and claim it's a bigger peak when none of her individual eras have achieved what the biggest Gaga era has. You lost this discussion like every Taylor stan does regarding peaks. If you're going to use Chartmasters, which is a fine enough data source, it's worth noting that they have 1989 (34.9M units with 21k daily gains) predicted to surpass TFM (40M units with 5k daily gains) before the end of the year Plus, 1989 has a diamond certified song of its own (Shake It Off), a diamond eligible song that's never going to be certified because Shamrock won't bother spending the money to do it (Blank Space), and 2 songs with a cumulative 10 million units (Wildest Dreams and Bad Blood, with Style right behind). It doesn't really matter how big of a year Gaga had in 2009 (time machine and all) when Taylor's 2014 album is poised to surpass it in every conceivable metric by the end of the year. 2
wastedpotential Posted February 20 Posted February 20 (edited) 5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: None of them are reaching the height of TF. You think combining the consumption of multiple albums largely consumed by the same people will somehow be a bigger peak than ONE album doing more than those said albums in total? Ain't no nobody in their right mind thinking The Fame era with its THREE Diamond singles was smaller than Midnights or 1984 which both sold less and had lesser hits. Oh girl... what was this, then? Edited February 20 by wastedpotential 5 1
Kasix Posted February 20 Posted February 20 39 minutes ago, Miss Americana said: Who gives a ****? Gaga's peak was so insignificant that she basically became irrelevant overnight. Taylor's peak will ensure her atleast 5 more years at the top of the IFPI charts. Don't compete where you don't compare. This ain’t how you debate lol. you don’t let the other guy’s BS slide and then rebuke it with some other things. you rebuke it directly. Here’s an example: 41 minutes ago, Miss Americana said: Taylor did not do that much with one album. She wouldn't have been doing that if she only released Midnights. Except she is selling this much since 1989 will cross 40m in like 1-2 years and midnights in 5-6? so your “career defining” goalpost of 40m sales will literally be accomplished by Taylor? Thx for letting me know who is bigger conclusively.
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