Kristie Kuwa Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Zefierce said: Or it’s because I find this level of entitlement amusing. when country radio didn’t play Joanne music after LITERALLY 1 day after release, you didn’t see Gaga fans making campaigns to harass their local radio stations and flood their phone lines with insults. its psychotic stan behavior actually. Actually no, because white women and men are played on the Radio, just not Gaga. There are virtually NO black artists played on Country Radio despite originating from Black Culture, and now one of the biggest artists in the world releases a successful, Pure Country song and they dont play it because "its Beyonce, we dont play that"? No mam 1
Njshawty Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Mezik said: You clearly don’t listen to country radio. Reba, Dolly, and Allison don’t get any regular airplay. I think the last one of any of them to above top 20 was Reba in 2011? There’s been actual research done showing that radio doesn’t support females once they hit a certain age (ex — look at Carrie Underwood’s recent singles). I think it was something around only 10(ish) females in country music radio history have made it to the top 15 over 35. Country Radio doesn’t even play women within the genre (look at the top 20 I think there’s two women in it). Country radio is sexist. So does that make it right? No. That’s why bee is here to shake thangs up!!!
Jay07 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Zefierce said: Or it’s because I find this level of entitlement amusing. when country radio didn’t play Joanne music after LITERALLY 1 day after release, you didn’t see Gaga fans making campaigns to harass their local radio stations and flood their phone lines with insults. its psychotic stan behavior actually. The Gaga fans that created fake Republican women accounts and offered ARTPOP bucks?
Ms. Togekiss Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Country radio is insanely political. You have to kiss their asses to be played and avoid saying or doing anything that could infuriate them. Women in country have been complaining for years now about how they won’t be played. Beyoncé unfortunately suffers not only from the same misogyny but also racism
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 It's been two days and already the Hive has gotten several stations to play the song, OR the stations just did it on their own. Now, considering every page of this thread has at least one person saying "well the country stations are just always racist and sexist, why does anyone expect her to be played?", this seems like a clear win (at least for the time being) that has already apparently done more to counter the sexism and racism than has been done in a long time. Hopefully, this will get the stations more involved in diversifying the artists they play, and inspire fans of any country artists that don't get fair play on stations to follow the Hive's lead (or even join forces) and make requests of their own they may have been discouraged to do before, for the same excuses as everyone has given here. 5
Mezik Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Njshawty said: So does that make it right? No. That’s why bee is here to shake thangs up!!! It doesn't make it right. But if you were able to think logically, it is not surprising to anyone that radio is not playing a women. Country Music will not just start changing their view on women in the industry because Beyonce released a country song. She won't change anything up on country radio. However she really does not need country radio.
Mezik Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, swissman said: Hopefully, this will get the stations more involved in diversifying the artists they play, and inspire fans of any country artists that don't get fair play on stations to follow the Hive's lead (or even join forces) and make requests of their own they may have been discouraged to do before, for the same excuses as everyone has given here. Beyonce being played is not going to encourage country radio to suddenly start playing Maren Morris, Kacey Musgraves, Lola, Mickey Guyton, Chapel Hill, or really -- any other female country artist/act any more. Similar to how Taylor Swift's 'betty' and 'I Bet You Think About Me' did not see any new traction with female country artists getting more airplay, if Beyonce is getting airplay it is because it's Beyonce (and even then I am certain when we look at the Billboard Country Airplay charts she will not make it that high up because of her race, gender, and the fact she is not young). Y'all are sharing high hopes that some of us since have been hoping for years. We have seen how they gave Kacey and Mickey no airplay. Dropped Maren as soon as she spoke politically, dropped Miranda and Carrie as soon as they aged, and even now Kelsea can barely make the top 20. Country Radio is a bro's genre, and it really is not a metric to determine if it's a successful country song (look at Zach Bryan even how country radio refuses to play him).
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Mezik said: It doesn't make it right. But if you were able to think logically, it is not surprising to anyone that radio is not playing a women. Country Music will not just start changing their view on women in the industry because Beyonce released a country song. She won't change anything up on country radio. However she really does not need country radio. She's already started to change country radio. The station that previously refused to play Beyoncé has since released a statement on twitter, their first tweet in nearly four years, about how they're going to play Beyoncé's song. So if it's not surprising that they wouldn't play her song, shouldn't it be surprising and remarkable and factually a change for them to ACTUALLY play her song? Edited February 14 by swissman
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Mezik said: Beyonce being played is not going to encourage country radio to suddenly start playing Maren Morris, Kacey Musgraves, Lola, Mickey Guyton, Chapel Hill, or really -- any other female country artist/act any more. Similar to how Taylor Swift's 'betty' and 'I Bet You Think About Me' did not see any new traction with female country artists getting more airplay, if Beyonce is getting airplay it is because it's Beyonce (and even then I am certain when we look at the Billboard Country Airplay charts she will not make it that high up because of her race, gender, and the fact she is not young). Y'all are sharing high hopes that some of us since have been hoping for years. We have seen how they gave Kacey and Mickey no airplay. Dropped Maren as soon as she spoke politically, dropped Miranda and Carrie as soon as they aged, and even now Kelsea can barely make the top 20. Country Radio is a bro's genre, and it really is not a metric to determine if it's a successful country song (look at Zach Bryan even how country radio refuses to play him). My point was that like many of the people in this thread who seem complacent to the bias in country music, perhaps what is needed is for an "outsider" to come and shake things up so that the fans of Maren, Kacey, Lola, Mickey, Chapel or anyone else might now feel empowered and inspired to do something similar, to request en masse, to make a fuss instead of just saying "it is what it is". I admit I do not know if any of these fanbases have made a fuss like the Hive has, so I could be wrong about that, but even still, would this not be a reminder for these fans to not give up? I'm not saying country radio is the metric to define success, I'm just saying if there's a bias and no one meaningfully tries to challenge it, then it won't change. And if people see it slightly changing, then it might give them hope for it to change for them or others too.
Mezik Posted February 14 Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, swissman said: My point was that like many of the people in this thread who seem complacent to the bias in country music, perhaps what is needed is for an "outsider" to come and shake things up so that the fans of Maren, Kacey, Lola, Mickey, Chapel or anyone else might now feel empowered and inspired to do something similar, to request en masse, to make a fuss instead of just saying "it is what it is". I admit I do not know if any of these fanbases have made a fuss like the Hive has, so I could be wrong about that, but even still, would this not be a reminder for these fans to not give up? I'm not saying country radio is the metric to define success, I'm just saying if there's a bias and no one meaningfully tries to challenge it, then it won't change. And if people see it slightly changing, then it might give them hope for it to change for them or others too. How do I put this nicely. You are being delusional. Females artists within the genre, do not have the same pull or resources Beyonce has. Beyonce may get minimal airplay, which is a huge accomplishment in itself. However she is not going to change the industry, and you really need to take your fan lens off. 1
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Mezik said: How do I put this nicely. You are being delusional. Females artists within the genre, do not have the same pull or resources Beyonce has. Beyonce may get minimal airplay, which is a huge accomplishment in itself. However she is not going to change the industry, and you really need to take your fan lens off. I don't believe I ever claimed she would change the entire industry. As of yesterday the station discussed here said a big NO to Beyoncé's music being played and by the end of the day it was an emphatic YES. Now, surely this doesn't mean she'll be the #1 most played artist or anything close to it. She may even just be played that ONE time. Still, as you've reminded us several times, no one should expect her to get country radio play. And yet, she's been played. Is that not change? They changed their mind. They changed their supposed restriction. They played a black artist. They played a woman. Why? And was it by their own accord? Again, my point is that there is clear potential for this interaction between fans and radio station to inspire other fanbases to act similarly and THUS might create FURTHER change and in time it may all add up to be significant change. Artists like Maren or Kacey may not have Hive-sized fanbases but certainly have enough fans to put pressure on stations. If most are like you (seem to be) and just shrug off the bias against these women, how is change really going to happen?
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 a lot of the people are are telling the girl standing up to the bully not to bother. then the bully does the unexpected and tips his hat to her and everyone is now telling the girl it doesn't mean anything then they say other girls still shouldn't bother standing up to the bully. it doesn't make sense, and it sounds complacent and enabling of the bad behaviour. either you're for it, or you're against it, in which case any progress should be celebrated not downplayed and ignored.
Cameltoe Chariot Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 hours ago, Zefierce said: Or it’s because I find this level of entitlement amusing. when country radio didn’t play Joanne music after LITERALLY 1 day after release, you didn’t see Gaga fans making campaigns to harass their local radio stations and flood their phone lines with insults. its psychotic stan behavior actually. You're getting dogpiled as predicted but you only stated facts here. Especially the psychotic stan behaviour assessment! 2
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said: You're getting dogpiled as predicted but you only stated facts here. Especially the psychotic stan behaviour assessment! it's really not entitlement to think that your fave's new music of an entirely different genre might be played on the station that is explicitly created to play music of that exact genre. of course just because an artist does that doesn't entitle one to plays, but you'd think a station dedicated to promoting/playing/celebrating country music might at least use it as a point of discusison and/or curiosity especially if asked to play it. and all this is said as if the OP didn't clearly outline the blunt and dismissive response email. it wasn't "we would like to see how country fans react to this song before adding it to our playlist" or anything of the sort. it was an all out exclusion of an artist simply for pre-existing biases (of several sorts). defending rockist, elitist, "she's not one of us and therefore NEVER WILL BE" mentalities in an effort to have a stan assessment of your own is weird behaviour. and it's funny because it's always "music is music, who cares if Black people started the genre" until it's time to segregate on radio stations and suddenly music isn't music. Edited February 14 by swissman
yourfaveisaflop Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Whew can’t wait for B to win those country awards to piss them off even more
Rotunda Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Also holding the Monsters up for a barometer of sane stan behavior is hilarious when the last time this site was shut down for non-server related issues was because their stanbase was littering ATRL with racist tirades. The only reason Monsters didn’t push for Gaga to be taken seriously by country radio was because none of them wanted her to be taken seriously by country. They held their nose during Joanne and prayed she’d go back to her Pop/Dance roots. Bey returning to a genre she’s already been explicitly mistreated by once is not going to inspire the same urgency from stans as Gaga doing an era none of her fans really wanted. With that said, yes some of the stans spam emailing people need to get lives, jobs, 401(k)s, hobbies, etc. 3
Junlin Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Putting on a cowboy hat doesn’t guarantee you a country radio spin.
Patient Zero Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Good for them, I'm doing the same. I loved Renaissance, but country is just not IT for me. Can't wait for Act III
GraceRandolph Posted February 14 Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Zefierce said: Or it’s because I find this level of entitlement amusing. when country radio didn’t play Joanne music after LITERALLY 1 day after release, you didn’t see Gaga fans making campaigns to harass their local radio stations and flood their phone lines with insults. its psychotic stan behavior actually. You’re 100% right. Country stations are super political, as is radio overall nowadays. They don’t even play Kacey.
cuteboyzay Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said: You're getting dogpiled as predicted but you only stated facts here. Especially the psychotic stan behaviour assessment! No, y’all are just being dismissive, yet again. But I wouldn’t expect y’all to understand certain nuances when it comes to Black Women. We get they don’t even play women PERIOD, but with Black Women that’s why people are pressing even harder. So if this opens doors for not only Black Women but Women period, then beautiful! As long as it’s giving Texas Hold ‘Em attention. Keep commenting cause it’s keeping this thread alive. Edited February 14 by cuteboyzay
swissman Posted February 14 Posted February 14 27 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Also holding the Monsters up for a barometer of sane stan behavior is hilarious when the last time this site was shut down for non-server related issues was because their stanbase was littering ATRL with racist tirades. The only reason Monsters didn’t push for Gaga to be taken seriously by country radio was because none of them wanted her to be taken seriously by country. They held their nose during Joanne and prayed she’d go back to her Pop/Dance roots. Bey returning to a genre she’s already been explicitly mistreated by once is not going to inspire the same urgency from stans as Gaga doing an era none of her fans really wanted. With that said, yes some of the stans spam emailing people need to get lives, jobs, 401(k)s, hobbies, etc. this is such a good point.
Kristie Kuwa Posted February 14 Posted February 14 30 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Also holding the Monsters up for a barometer of sane stan behavior is hilarious when the last time this site was shut down for non-server related issues was because their stanbase was littering ATRL with racist tirades. The only reason Monsters didn’t push for Gaga to be taken seriously by country radio was because none of them wanted her to be taken seriously by country. They held their nose during Joanne and prayed she’d go back to her Pop/Dance roots. Bey returning to a genre she’s already been explicitly mistreated by once is not going to inspire the same urgency from stans as Gaga doing an era none of her fans really wanted. With that said, yes some of the stans spam emailing people need to get lives, jobs, 401(k)s, hobbies, etc. Additionally, wheres Gagas connection to Country other than cosplay? Thats why she failed, because it feels inauthentic. Same reason why she succeeded with Jazz - its authentic to her. Bey doing Country and succeeding is due to her authentic connection to the genre as a Texan girl from Houston. Thats why we BELIEVE her when she does that. Thats also why some have problems accepting her pure rapping, since she lacks the struggle and grir to be believable at times.
Lovett Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Junlin said: Putting on a cowboy hat doesn’t guarantee you a country radio spin. But releasing acclaimed, successful country music should. You know, like Beyoncé has just done.
Raphy23 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said: There are virtually NO black artists Kane Brown
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