QueenBeyoncé Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Human Fly said: Lady Gaga did house music and country music much before Beyonce. If anything Beyonce followed Madonna & Lady Gaga playbook. Country & Dance music were created by Black ppl so those two yt girls following in the footsteps of Black Artists Edited February 12 by QueenBeyoncé 1 1 1
T.O.A.D.S. Posted February 12 Posted February 12 It’s still Madonna. She didn’t just change the genre of music, she changed her entire aesthetic and branding with each release.
C-Amber Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Many other did this, went country, pop and dance music and even rock, nothing new about it, but suddenly when Beyoncé is doing it it's groundbreaking and new!! Be serious. 1
C-Amber Posted February 12 Posted February 12 14 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said: Country & Dance music was created by Black ppl so those two yt girls following in the footsteps of Black Artists Nobody cares, Music is just music. 1 4
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Human Fly said: Lady Gaga did house music and country music much before Beyonce. If anything Beyonce followed Madonna & Lady Gaga playbook. It's less that she's following their playbook, and more that they've just all dabbled in the same genres. Not to mention if we are concerned with "firsts" Beyoncé released a country song on Lemonade before Joanne was even announced and Destiny's Child was re-recording their vocals to fit house remixes before Gaga even debuted. She even put out a Dance/House/Electronica EP working with 1 group (The Freemasons) in 2006/2007 and a couple of those remixes were actually sent to radio as singles, and played more than the originals. 2 1
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, C-Amber said: Many other did this, went country, pop and dance music and even rock, nothing new about it, but suddenly when Beyoncé is doing it it's groundbreaking and new!! Be serious. Who said it was groundbreaking, necessarily, though? What seems to be "new" about this is the extent to which Beyoncé is situating herself within the country genre's sounds as an artist that is not known for producing country music. Madonna's use is iconic and amazing, but the one country single she put out still has a certain pop sheen and the album overall is far from being a country album. For her, it's less reinvention imo than it is a bit of a costume both sonically and visually. Its lead single's most country aspect is the use of a cowboy hat. Gaga had a variety of country-isms but it ranged in its expression and the album ended up having generally as much folk/festival vibe as it was country. And its lead single is far from country in any way. We only have two songs (both first singles) from Beyoncé but already they seem far more interested in expressing a traditional country sound and subject matter. It's not groundbreaking, but it sure is very interesting, especially being about 1.5 years since she released a full-on dance album with no country sounds on it whatsoever. Edited February 12 by swissman 1
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Anyway, I don't think she's the queen of reinvention, but she does have one of the best abilities to reinvent and still feel very much like Beyoncé. When she switches genres it doesn't feel like a costume, but something she's carefully studied and has intense interest in. And to her credit, when she does go there, she usually doesn't just add in some flare from the genre in question, but dives deep into its sonic characteristics. 1 1
C-Amber Posted February 12 Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, swissman said: Who said it was groundbreaking, necessarily, though? What seems to be "new" about this is the extent to which Beyoncé is situating herself within the country genre's sounds as an artist that is not known for producing country music. Madonna's use is iconic and amazing, but the one country single she put out still has a certain pop sheen and the album overall is far from being a country album. For her, it's less reinvention imo than it is a bit of a costume both sonically and visually. Its lead single's most country aspect is the use of a cowboy hat. Gaga had a variety of country-isms but it ranged in its expression and the album ended up having a generally as much folk/festival vibe as it was country. And its lead single is far from country in any way. We only have two songs (both first singles) from Beyoncé but already they seem far more interested in expressing a traditional country sound and subject matter. It's not groundbreaking, but it sure is very interesting, especially being about 1.5 years since she released a full-on dance album with no country sounds on it whatsoever. The entire Bey fan base acting as if she's doing something groundbreaking, taking back Black music, Reinvention of the genre, when she basically doing what other artists did many times over the past decade, nothing new at all. But her acting blonde and doing country music is amazing loool. She done nothing special here but the reaction is making it seems she creating a new genre. 1 3
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Just now, C-Amber said: The entire Bey fan base acting as if she's doing something groundbreaking, taking back Black music, Reinvention of the genre, when she basically doing what other artists did many times over the past decade, nothing new at all. But her acting blonde and doing country music is amazing loool. She done nothing special here but the reaction is making it seems she creating a new genre. But can you quote where people have called it "groundbreaking". Because I can quote where you've alleged people are saying it's groundbreaking despite no one using that word in this thread until you did. Also, just because you wish to disregard the importance of Black artists in shaping the sound of American music in everything from country to rock to dance to pop to rock to rap to jazz to doowop to ragtime, etc., doesn't mean other people are not going to remark about it and celebrate when a Black artist does things to specifically highlight that influence. How many pop artists in the last decade have featured/worked with a Black female banjo player let alone one whose goal has long been to have Black Americans recognized for their contributions to the country genre? As far as sonically, she may not be creating a new genre but she certainly is aiming to create a new conversation around country music. You seem to forget she performed at the CMAs and there was much hoopla and discord about her being there, with hypocrisy as going so far as to forget that Megan Trainor and Justin Timberlake had appeared there as well in years prior with very little backlash. The Grammys even shut out Daddy Lessons from the country category before it even came to the nomination process, meaning they would not even consider it to be nominated. All in all, she has never made a full country album before and that in itself is special. I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this, or bothered by what you imagine her "entire" fanbase is doing. 6 1
C-Amber Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, swissman said: But can you quote where people have called it "groundbreaking". Because I can quote where you've alleged people are saying it's groundbreaking despite no one using that word in this thread until you did. Also, just because you wish to disregard the importance of Black artists in shaping the sound of American music in everything from country to rock to dance to pop to rock to rap to jazz to doowop to ragtime, etc., doesn't mean other people are not going to remark about it and celebrate when a Black artist does things to specifically highlight that influence. How many pop artists in the last decade have featured/worked with a Black female banjo player let alone one whose goal has long been to have Black Americans recognized for their contributions to the country genre? As far as sonically, she may not be creating a new genre but she certainly is aiming to create a new conversation around country music. You seem to forget she performed at the CMAs and there was much hoopla and discord about her being there, with hypocrisy as going so far as to forget that Megan Trainor and Justin Timberlake had appeared there as well in years prior with very little backlash. The Grammys even shut out Daddy Lessons from the country category before it even came to the nomination process, meaning they would not even consider it to be nominated. All in all, she has never made a full country album before and that in itself is special. I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this, or bothered by what you imagine her "entire" fanbase is Literally one of the few I saw since she announced it and there are many of this in all social media, acting as if she doing something that hasn't been done before. Music all around the world had billions of people contributing to it, all genre had all kind of colors adding to it throughout the years, nobody gives a **** who started what, because everybody enjoying music, I've never seen anyone arguing around the world about who started X genre, music is literally free for everyone to make and enjoy. But somehow only Black Americans are always insulted and wanting to "take their music back" ! The entitlement is real here. Fact is, Beyonce isn't taking anything back "home", music is for everyone, she isn't bringing anything new to the table, she isn't reinventing anything. And atop of all of that, she's coming making country music with BLONDE hair 4
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Just now, C-Amber said: Literally one of the few I saw since she announced it and there are many of this in all social media, acting as if she doing something that hasn't been done before. Music all around the world had billions of people contributing to it, all genre had all kind of colors adding to it throughout the years, nobody gives a **** who started what, because everybody enjoying music, I've never seen anyone arguing around the world about who started X genre, music is literally free for everyone to make and enjoy. But somehow only Black Americans are always insulted and wanting to "take their music back" ! The entitlement is real here. Fact is, Beyonce isn't taking anything back "home", music is for everyone, she isn't bringing anything new to the table, she isn't reinventing anything. And atop of all of that, she's coming making country music with BLONDE hair This photo isn't loading for me but I'll just assume it's a collage of 100 hive members calling this stunningly groundbreaking, the first country song in music history, etc. etc. And still, I don't think generalizing a fanbase in a discussion where no one has said such things is fair. But you don't seem to know the history of Black Americans if you think that them wanting to reclaim their music is entitled or unfair. You can argue that music has had billions of people contributing to it, and that's fine, but when we are talking about not just one style, but basically the entire catalogue of "American" styles being originated by a formerly enslaved and then majorly subjugated, criminalized, incarcerated and demeaned population that is then enjoyed by, profited from, and largely credited to white musicians that is a very different thing than someone bringing a foreign instrument to their country and experimenting with that. The fact is Beyoncé LITERALLY is taking her music back home. She's from Texas, her home state. And you grasping onto the colour of her hair is such a reach. What are you even trying to say there? That it's not Black enough? After arguing that Black-originated music shouldn't be celebrated as such? Would it matter if she mad hip-hop with blonde hair, as she had throughout most of her career? Something is not adding up and you just seem to be bitter and/or hateful about this, rather than thinking critically. 5 1
Tovitov Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Not to be rude, but wouldn't it be better to see how Act 2 does before making such proclamations? Like, Ray of Light -> Music were two massive, culturally defining releases.
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 EDIT I can see that image, and... I'm not sure what it proves. RENAISSANCE as a project looks to be three acts each with a different genre. If this is not breaking new ground in terms of pop projects or even ANYONE'S projects, please go ahead and list all those multi-act projects that look to organizing and expressing music and genre in this way.
hausofdave Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Hives acting like Bey created a whole wave/resurgence of r&b/house/country/next thing you know rock-jazz-hip-hop-techno like chile the utter disrespect to Madonna 1
Kristie Kuwa Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) Gaga stans trying it.. the jokes write themselves. Gaga is the most inauthentic singer out there. Debuts as a Madonna clone, diverts into the cooky version of Madonna, once realizing it doesnt work that well, morphs into Barbra Streisand v 2.0. Meanwhile how many black females do u know in pop HISTORY who have reinvented themselves as much as Bey and as successfully as she did? No Whitney, no Aretha, no Mariah, no Diana, no Etta, no nobody. Why? Because black females are ALWAYS pidgeon-holed into one genre. So for Bey to break this barrier, shattering it with all her might and being so damn good at is just legendary. Shes one of one. You'll never understand how epic she actually is if u dont use ur brain a little bit and see the bigger picture. Thats why Madonna, who is mentioned here by you white twinks continuously, has the utmost RESPECT for Bey. She gets it, she gets what it must take for Bey to do what shes doing despite Madonna opening the doors a bit already. Thats why Madonna also doesnt **** with Gaga Edited February 12 by Kristie Kuwa 6 1
Storm653 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) She's up there but Gaga and Miley can have an argument made for them too. Also, if we're strictly focusing on the reinvention aspect and disregarding consistency, Christina Aguilera is definitely in the conversation. A lot of her music differs so much genre wise, it's not even funny. Madonna is still forever the Queen though. Edited February 12 by Storm653 1
CaptainMusic Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, swissman said: This photo isn't loading for me but I'll just assume it's a collage of 100 hive members calling this stunningly groundbreaking, the first country song in music history, etc. etc. And still, I don't think generalizing a fanbase in a discussion where no one has said such things is fair. But you don't seem to know the history of Black Americans if you think that them wanting to reclaim their music is entitled or unfair. You can argue that music has had billions of people contributing to it, and that's fine, but when we are talking about not just one style, but basically the entire catalogue of "American" styles being originated by a formerly enslaved and then majorly subjugated, criminalized, incarcerated and demeaned population that is then enjoyed by, profited from, and largely credited to white musicians that is a very different thing than someone bringing a foreign instrument to their country and experimenting with that. The fact is Beyoncé LITERALLY is taking her music back home. She's from Texas, her home state. And you grasping onto the colour of her hair is such a reach. What are you even trying to say there? That it's not Black enough? After arguing that Black-originated music shouldn't be celebrated as such? Would it matter if she mad hip-hop with blonde hair, as she had throughout most of her career? Something is not adding up and you just seem to be bitter and/or hateful about this, rather than thinking critically. That member hates Beyoncé and always has something negative to say so don’t even waste your time replying to him.
T.O.A.D.S. Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, swissman said: It's less that she's following their playbook, and more that they've just all dabbled in the same genres. Not to mention if we are concerned with "firsts" Beyoncé released a country song on Lemonade before Joanne was even announced and Destiny's Child was re-recording their vocals to fit house remixes before Gaga even debuted. She even put out a Dance/House/Electronica EP working with 1 group (The Freemasons) in 2006/2007 and a couple of those remixes were actually sent to radio as singles, and played more than the originals. Released in 2011 and #6 on billboard
TipToe Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Even tho Beyoncé is a versatile musician i have yet to see an era of her where she risked to alienate her core fanbase or become too distinctive to the GP when compared to previous works. I think re inventing comes from a place of stagnation or profound change but Beyoncés brand is a continuum, she might do inovative things whitin her own catalogue but people never got confused about it, she doesn't diverge a lot i mean. 1
swissman Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, T.O.A.D.S. said: Released in 2011 and #6 on billboard 2007: 1
ebaby Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, swissman said: This photo isn't loading for me but I'll just assume it's a collage of 100 hive members calling this stunningly groundbreaking, the first country song in music history, etc. etc. And still, I don't think generalizing a fanbase in a discussion where no one has said such things is fair. But you don't seem to know the history of Black Americans if you think that them wanting to reclaim their music is entitled or unfair. You can argue that music has had billions of people contributing to it, and that's fine, but when we are talking about not just one style, but basically the entire catalogue of "American" styles being originated by a formerly enslaved and then majorly subjugated, criminalized, incarcerated and demeaned population that is then enjoyed by, profited from, and largely credited to white musicians that is a very different thing than someone bringing a foreign instrument to their country and experimenting with that. The fact is Beyoncé LITERALLY is taking her music back home. She's from Texas, her home state. And you grasping onto the colour of her hair is such a reach. What are you even trying to say there? That it's not Black enough? After arguing that Black-originated music shouldn't be celebrated as such? Would it matter if she mad hip-hop with blonde hair, as she had throughout most of her career? Something is not adding up and you just seem to be bitter and/or hateful about this, rather than thinking critically. cleared.
JonginBey Posted February 13 Posted February 13 10 hours ago, Zefierce said: No she’s not. She’s just following Madonna’s playbook, which has already been followed by Gaga. Her album is being compared to Joanne of all things. How many times do y’all have to keep getting ran over on the same road before y’all just stop crossing it?
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