wastedpotential Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Beyonce will never get an AOTY win despite being more than deserving for the same nebulous reason that Taylor will never get a SOTY win. It's stupid and discredits the legitimacy of the academy, but they've lost those awards too many times to albums/songs that did not deserve to win over their nominated work It's hard for me to understand how and why you're trying to turn that into an 'overrated' argument.
JonginBey Posted February 7 Posted February 7 35 minutes ago, Zefierce said: She IS the more successful singer and dancer, as proven by her tour sales and how many more people pay to watch her do those things. Anytime she gets lashed for her terrible dance skills, y’all argue that you don’t attend her concerts to watch her dance. What changed?
Frappucino Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: Beyonce aint a real musician A voice is an instrument hence why Taylor gotta overcompensate playing other instruments.
KKW Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Achilles. said: All 3 of her big losses make sense for different reasons. Beyoncé underperformed with the recording academy. It missed Song and Record nominations, and even failed to win its genre category over a fellow AOTY nominee. It did not have a strong base of support at all. Lemonade is when she was at her most polarizing as a public figure, up against basically the biggest album ever by the safest artist ever. Of course she lost. Renaissance is a good example of “why is Beyoncé called overrated?” actually. It was massively hyped up as if it were a super-blockbuster when in reality it was not even top 20 on the year end chart. When the numbers don’t match the discourse, it can create the impression that something is being overrated. I’m not sure that she was even runner-up in this category. I think the problem with AOTY is the Academy moves the goal post as to what they factor in every year. I can see the arguments against Lemonade and even more so Ren’s losses but self-titled was her true and unjust snub. Acclaim, industry impact, and success. These are the things the Academy constantly shift their focus on when making their selection so it makes no sense how she missed it given she checked every single box, no matter which way they wanted to go that year. Edited February 7 by KKW 2
Riot Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taylena said: Beyoncé's army of writers and producers helped her win 32 Grammys vs. Taylor's 14 Grammys. When Beyoncé creates an award-worthy album mostly by herself and is nominated in a year without a better, more successful album, then she'll win AOTY. Celine Dion won AOTY without lifting a pen for any of the songs on it, why can't Beyoncé win in the same way miss @Taylena? Edited February 7 by Riot
Bosque Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) When someone calls an artist “overrated”, it really just means that an artist isn’t their personal cup of tea, but they want to give it a pseudo-objective sound. It’s usually pretty pointless to argue with people who say stuff like that, as they have yet to realize that people can have different opinions on music Edited February 7 by Dephira 2
Velvet Night Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Music is subjective, while you personally may not like something, not everything is made for you specifically as a product. They are popular because more people like them then don't. It's that simple.
wildsidenormani Posted February 7 Posted February 7 White mediocrity will always be accepted and embraced 1
False God Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Taylor has the stats, sales, streams to back her impact. But Bey only has feels and vibes. Her impact does not translate to sales or streams 3
ryoncé Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Zefierce said: She IS the more successful singer and dancer, as proven by her tour sales and how many more people pay to watch her do those things. this is THE most ridiculous rationale ive literally ever heard in my life -- like it actually makes me concerned for your ability to have a functioning brain and rational thinking skills Saying Taylor is a better singer than Beyonce is not only the biggest stretch ive ever seen, its just factually wrong -- singing ability can be determined by looking at one's range, vocal flexibility, power, tone, etc. Beyonce surpasses Taylor in every metric of vocals and I imagine Taylor herself would agree if you told her Beyonce was vocally superior. Taylor has many strengths, as clearly seen by her success and ongoing dominance of the music industry, but I will not stand for people using one's popularity to justify them having more talent just because they are selling more tickets -- that is the dumbest logic ever and invalidates the entire Swiftie community when you try to position Taylor as "better than everyone at everything" just because of how many stadiums she can sell out. As a fan of both, I can clearly see how Beyonce is far superior when it comes to singing and dancing wheras Taylor is superior when it comes to songwriting and branding -- they both have their strengths and weaknesses. We happen to live in a time where relatability and the lyric/songwriting aspects of music are holding more weight so of course Taylor is the one who is able to be the dominant force in the industry. In the 80s/90s, "awe" factor and the "larger than life" superstar held more weight and if we had that cultural landscape, Beyonce would undoubtedly surpass Taylor -- it's all about context. Taylor is thriving right now and that's awesome, but to say any amount of awards or ticket sales will somehow give her the accolade of "best singer" or "best dancer" in the industry is literally outrageous and can be disproven using tangible, unquestionable metrics that will prove otherwise. 6
Pop Fan Posted February 7 Posted February 7 57 minutes ago, Frappucino said: A voice is an instrument hence why Taylor gotta overcompensate playing other instruments. You can call Taylor overrated if you want to but at least you are rating HER MUSIC, music she wrote and created. Beyonce can't even be overrated cuz technically people ain't even rating HER MUSIC. They are rating what songwriting camps wrote for her
BGKC Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) Not for nothing, but Taylor gets called overrated a lot. I think the difference is people will discredit and call Bey overrated as if being one of the greatest performers of a generation isn’t enough. People will come for her writing credits (yet never did when it came to someone like MJ or Whitney) or come for her vocals compared to other powerhouse vocalists, but at the end of the day she’s very well rounded.. as for Taylor, I just think she’s becoming extremely overexposed which is being translated as overrated. Edited February 7 by BGKC
Frappucino Posted February 7 Posted February 7 54 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: You can call Taylor overrated if you want to but at least you are rating HER MUSIC, music she wrote and created. Beyonce can't even be overrated cuz technically people ain't even rating HER MUSIC. They are rating what songwriting camps wrote for her I mean going back to your original statement then it seems people are checking out Beyoncé’s music because her voice sounds so good and that’s why I assume a lot of people wanna write for her and see what she can do with her voice… cause she’s a singer!
olivethetree Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Dephira said: When someone calls an artist “overrated”, it really just means that an artist isn’t their personal cup of tea, but they want to give it a pseudo-objective sound. It’s usually pretty pointless to argue with people who say stuff like that, as they have yet to realize that people can have different opinions on music Exactly this. It’s all very subjective whether a song is good or not. So the more popular a song/album is, the more people think it’s good. So easiest way is to look at the number. Stats dont like y’all. It’s the only objective way to look at it
babycomeround Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Because of racism or unconscious bias. Beyonce has to be black excellence and still can't nab an AOTY while Taylor has more AOTY's than black women in the entirety of the Grammy's. It's not a slight on Taylor but it just shows you can be rewarded for being mediocre if you're white. She does have the sales & stats but she's not an accomplished singer or dancer and anyone who says otherwise is denying facts. 1
Pop Fan Posted February 7 Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, babycomeround said: Because of racism or unconscious bias. Beyonce has to be black excellence and still can't nab an AOTY while Taylor has more AOTY's than black women in the entirety of the Grammy's. It's not a slight on Taylor but it just shows you can be rewarded for being mediocre if you're white. She does have the sales & stats but she's not an accomplished singer or dancer and anyone who says otherwise is denying facts. I didn't knew that the criteria for wining AOTY is dancing skills and performing 😂😂😂 you OTH are such losers, Taylor deserved those wins, AOTYs are based on songwriting, production and overall quality and impacts of albums. Not on dancing skills or wigs or whatever you think its important 1
dirrtydiana Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 hours ago, TayDuaStan said: One can write music by herself, the other needs 40+ co-writers 3 hours ago, KKW said: Why do you all act like that’s more impressive than being able to dance and sing phenomenally? Not to mention the creative direction part of Beyoncé like I’ve never understood this argument from the Swifties. Congrats on besting her at one thing I guess? (talent-wise before you all start with your stats you live through) Taylor’s writing isn’t even all that. She should be using 40+ writers. 1 hour ago, False God said: Taylor has the stats, sales, streams to back her impact. But Bey only has feels and vibes. Her impact does not translate to sales or streams it’s so funny seeing users use this and thinking they ate when miss swift does not make a single move without the feels and vibes of her cult lucky #13
babycomeround Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pop Fan said: I didn't knew that the criteria for wining AOTY is dancing skills and performing 😂😂😂 you OTH are such losers, Taylor deserved those wins, AOTYs are based on songwriting, production and overall quality and impacts of albums. Not on dancing skills or wigs or whatever you think its important Ok but just overlook the fact she's won AOTY more times than black women period. Black women are making great music, they're just not being recognised or rewarded in the same way. To say race doesn't come into play with the voting is a lie. and Beyonce is a great example because she's commercially and critically successful but still can't get a look in. I also don't see the same criticisms to Billie Eilish, who writes with her brother and doesn't play an instrument, yet was awarded AOTY? Interesting Edited February 7 by babycomeround
False God Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said: Taylor’s writing isn’t even all that. She should be using 40+ writers. it’s so funny seeing users use this and thinking they ate when miss swift does not make a single move without the feels and vibes of her cult lucky #13 We ate and Taylor ate. Most streamed artist on Spotify, Apple Music, And Amazon Music, Person of the Year, 4x AOTY Winner, Highest Grossing Tour of all time. Her impact is backed up by this stats not just feels and vibe
OrgVisual Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 hours ago, Pop Fan said: Beyonce aint a real musician She's a singer, dancer and performer - 3 things Taylor doesn't have in her DNA 1
Pop Fan Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, OrgVisual said: She's a singer, dancer and performer - 3 things Taylor doesn't have in her DNA We're talking about Grammys, about music, albums, songwriting...Great for Beyonce but dancing and performing is the most important thing for American Idol, not the grammys. If taylor and beyonce competed on American Idol, Beyonce would easily win. But she has no chance to beat taylor if you compare the quality of their albums, their artistry and musical integrity 1 2
dirrtydiana Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 16 minutes ago, False God said: We ate and Taylor ate. Most streamed artist on Spotify, Apple Music, And Amazon Music, Person of the Year, 4x AOTY Winner, Highest Grossing Tour of all time. Her impact is backed up by this stats not just feels and vibe Oh look everyone! another case of a swiftie making her achievements their own as if they’re getting paid for them like she is lol OT: Beyoncé isn’t overrated, she backs it up with countless of newcomers citing her influence. Also her incredible talent with music that has been ingrained in pop culture and just making art that makes a difference in many communities. You know… things that actually matter unlike manipulated charts, paid opinions, corrupt trophies, 37484 variations to pull sales, etc. Edited February 7 by dirrtydiana
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