ToMmY Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Both are the most overrated female acts of the past 30 years.
Klein Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said: I wish Taylor was in her creative peak. Commercial peak, yes, but creative? She can do better. She has so much potential to do something different and innovative, but is tying herself way too much with Jack Antonoff. Like, work with Timbaland (who has been trying to get her attention for quite some time now), The Neptunes, Emlie Haynie (Lana's earlier sound), Busbee, Scott Storch, BloodPop (not just a random remix), Ester Dean, Stargate, more Jeff Bhasker, Rick Rubin, Jake Gosling (Ed's Multiply), more Bon Iver, more Imogen Heap, David Kahne (Regina Spektor's producer) and so much more. She has the money and connections to make this happen and it hurts me that she won't experiment and go out of her comfort zone. She's on a streak of 3 AOTY-nominated albums (peers approval), with 85+ on Metacritic (critics approval) and that the public loves (GP approval), with very likely a fourth on the way. Whether you like it or not is different of whether it's quality or not. 1
Goaty Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I think once any artist obtains a certain level of success and acclaim, it can be argued they’re overrated. Which would apply to Taylor and Beyoncé.
Zefierce Posted February 7 Posted February 7 6 minutes ago, Shelter said: Imagine saying Tay is a better singer. She IS the more successful singer and dancer, as proven by her tour sales and how many more people pay to watch her do those things. 1 4 7
Chris Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Did they not just support each other at their concert film premieres? Why the need for another pointless stan war? Swifties and Hive need to not let other people try to ignite stan wars against them.
TayDuaStan Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 30 minutes ago, TedMiracle said: One can dance sing etc, the other can't. One can write music by herself, the other needs 40+ co-writers Edited February 7 by TayDuaStan 1 2 2 5
Klein Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chris said: Did they not just support each other at their concert film premieres? Why the need for another pointless stan war? Swifties and Hive need to not let other people try to ignite stan wars against them. Unfortunately, these two have shown love to each other for the better part of two decades and yet it doesn't stop fans to pit them against each other because they're basically the absolute top 2 artists of our generation. Which is even weirder considering their strengths lie in entirely different areas. The only strength they have in common is their marketing acumen. Edited February 7 by Klein
VerdantHue Posted February 7 Posted February 7 35 minutes ago, Zefierce said: no double standard. Taylor is simply better in every metric. You better list out those metrics because dancing isn't one of them.
KKW Posted February 7 Posted February 7 12 minutes ago, Donquizote said: No double standard. Taylor writes her own songs while the same can't be said to Beyonce who needs 100 people to write one song. 1 minute ago, TayDuaStan said: One can write music by herself, the other needs 40+ co-writers Why do you all act like that’s more impressive than being able to dance and sing phenomenally? Not to mention the creative direction part of Beyoncé like I’ve never understood this argument from the Swifties. Congrats on besting her at one thing I guess? (talent-wise before you all start with your stats you live through) 3
Taylena Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Beyoncé's army of writers and producers helped her win 32 Grammys vs. Taylor's 14 Grammys. When Beyoncé creates an award-worthy album mostly by herself and is nominated in a year without a better, more successful album, then she'll win AOTY. 3 7
MAXIMO Posted February 7 Posted February 7 It seems that people don't go to concerts to appreciate and enjoy a great performer in action, it's more about what is trendy or more popular, sheep mentality, they don't even watch the concerts anymore, just stay there and film it with their phones, to show off other people they were there, that's not necesary means it's the best. Beyoncé is more talented, but both are overrated to certain extent, but in case of Beyoncé is way more justifiable the praise because you can watch her talents as a performer right in front of you, but in case of Taylor her talents are more secluded, it has spread more like a rumor that it's yet to be proven.
Klein Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Taylena said: Beyoncé's army of writers and producers helped her win 32 Grammys vs. Taylor's 14 Grammys. When Beyoncé creates an award-worthy album mostly by herself and is nominated in a year without a better, more successful album, then she'll win AOTY. Now are you arguing that Harry deserved over Renaissance? Because I can hear arguments for why Self-Titled and Lemonade lost (even if I don't agree), but Renaissance losing is truly truly a joke.
Zefierce Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, KKW said: Why do you all act like that’s more impressive than being able to dance and sing phenomenally? Not to mention the creative direction part of Beyoncé like I’ve never understood this argument from the Swifties. Congrats on besting her at one thing I guess? (talent-wise before you all start with your stats you live through) Creative direction part? you mean the part where she blatantly plagiarizes and steals from lesser known artists?
KKW Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, Zefierce said: Creative direction part? you mean the part where she blatantly plagiarizes and steals from lesser known artists? I mean where she executes world-building, visual spectacles like the Renaissance tour You can’t really use plagiarism as a drag either considering every artist has been accused of it at one point or the other, Taylor included 2
Frappucino Posted February 7 Posted February 7 28 minutes ago, Donquizote said: No double standard. Taylor writes her own songs while the same can't be said to Beyonce who needs 100 people to write one song. So Beyoncé has connections while Taylor is a dictator?
Kristie Kuwa Posted February 7 Posted February 7 The truth is: Even in the black community, many folks are pressed af at Beyonces success and at her way of presenting herself as unbothered. On the other hand, white people seem to unite for Taylor and uplift her to high heavens. So what happens is u have an ethnic MAJORITY supporting Taylor while even the ethnic minority is on the fence with Bey out of jealousy. 3
Finkypop Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) Taylor isn’t overrated. Most of the planet loves her for a reason (she makes good music that they love), and the proof is in the numbers. The same can’t be said for the other artist whose music bombs in comparison yet everyday on social media there’s thinkpieces praising how much better and more important she is than anyone else, etc etc Edited February 7 by Finkypop 3
Comedor Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Beyonce is the talk of every Grammy even when shes not nominated. The girl showed up for 20min just to collect her husband award and do a quick meet and greet with her fans. She may not have the AOTY award but when you think of that category her name is one of the first to pop up.
Digitalism Posted February 7 Posted February 7 35 minutes ago, Donquizote said: No double standard. Taylor writes her own songs while the same can't be said to Beyonce who needs 100 people to write one song. The award is not called songwriter of the year tho
Shelter Posted February 7 Posted February 7 34 minutes ago, Zefierce said: She IS the more successful singer and dancer, as proven by her tour sales and how many more people pay to watch her do those things. Seek help
wastedpotential Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, brraap said: A view especially proven by the Grammy’s. Why is there a double standard? Using the Grammys to argue that people see Taylor as "better" than Beyonce or whatever doesn't hold up for long because Beyonce won 4 awards last year, the same amount as Taylor has won over the past 7 years combined (Bey had 26 noms and 10 wins in those 7 years, whereas Taylor had 23 noms and 4 wins). What happened to Lemonade and Renaissance regarding AOTY was criminal, but it's really not like Taylor's AOTY wins are accompanied by anything else indicating her "superiority" or whatever. Taylor gets AOTY wins because the GF category votes are bloc-driven, and in a year without a country album (or a country or rock album as in 2021), Taylor is going to get the lions share of the thousands of votes from Nashville because of her history. Plus, as others have said, voters like albums that make them a lot of money Both are objectively incredibly talented, successful, and beloved artists, making threads like this (based on flimsy premises or not) just discredits Bey's achievements. Edited February 7 by wastedpotential
Achilles. Posted February 7 Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, Klein said: Because I can hear arguments for why Self-Titled and Lemonade lost (even if I don't agree), but Renaissance losing is truly truly a joke. All 3 of her big losses make sense for different reasons. Beyoncé underperformed with the recording academy. It missed Song and Record nominations, and even failed to win its genre category over a fellow AOTY nominee. It did not have a strong base of support at all. Lemonade is when she was at her most polarizing as a public figure, up against basically the biggest album ever by the safest artist ever. Of course she lost. Renaissance is a good example of “why is Beyoncé called overrated?” actually. It was massively hyped up as if it were a super-blockbuster when in reality it was not even top 20 on the year end chart. When the numbers don’t match the discourse, it can create the impression that something is being overrated. I’m not sure that she was even runner-up in this category.
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