Xtina23 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 7 hours ago, vale9001 said: Grammy stage not big enough for all the co writers and producers of the not winning three? So security protocol Heard it would collapse, allegedly.
Crank_It_Up Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Let’s be real, we all KNOW what happened here…racism. The Grammys don’t want black women to win. There’s NO reason why Beyonce lost with Lemonade and Renaissance, and now SZA with SOS. Midnights isn’t even Taylor’s best work! She’s only being rewarded for her big year! Ridiculous. 1
chris1991 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 She makes palatable music for old white people. All the right people win the the genre awards because only genre people vote for them. The big awards, always get it wrong because all the white folk vote here.
Jay07 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 6 hours ago, Meloetta Carey said: White supremacy/privilege, rockism, and Beyoncé's superhuman ability to bring out people's worst insecurities. Hide contents I know Taylor was going to win AOTY for the fourth time eventually, it's just disappointing that they'll give it to that album. Especially since 2023 was more about celebrating her entire career up until this point. I think SOTY would of been more meaningul for her. I knew she was going to win when that blind voter article was published that painted SZA as too vulgar and too aggressive, typical racist dogwhistles while praising Morgan Wallen. Sadly, you know that's how most voters think. They will only vote for someone who looks like them and Taylor is their golden girl.
Letemtalk Posted February 5 Posted February 5 7 hours ago, Bonicap said: Was it black privilege when Bruno Mars won over Lorde, 'This is America' won over Shallow or 'I Can't Breathe' won over Cardigan or Don't Start Now? Oh I forgot this is just my subjective opinion. I'm pretty sure Lorde would not approve of her name be used as "evidence" that racism doesn't exist, also she has beaten Bruno twice in the past, so it's a bad example for a number of reasons.
Kimi Posted February 5 Posted February 5 43 minutes ago, Letemtalk said: I'm pretty sure Lorde would not approve of her name be used as "evidence" that racism doesn't exist, also she has beaten Bruno twice in the past, so it's a bad example for a number of reasons. Not to mention Bruno’s album is typical throwback Pop pandering while Melo is universally considered a modern masterpiece 1 1
CaptainMusic Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 hours ago, hawx23 said: It’s pretty simple. AOTY has to be able to capture as large a group of the academy as possible. Renaissance (especially), SOS, Lemonade are too specific/niche in terms of sound. (Eg your 75 year old white Joe music producer buyer is not gonna listen to R&B or vogue house (unfortunately)). How the hell is Lemonade niche in sound, it’s WAY more diverse than Midnights wtf. Lemonade has a full blown rock song with Jack White on it that was even nominated in the rock category, a country inspired song and a number of pop songs. SOS isn’t niche either, you should’ve just said that white voters don’t like ”urban” artists and left it there.
Bhabylon Posted February 5 Posted February 5 aoty will always go to the bland, flavorless album. the committee loves white mediocrity 3
whiteferrari Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) this topic is so stale, I don't even want to engage. the fact that mediocre albums by white artists have continuously reigned supreme over masterpieces by kendrick, beyonce, sza, etc. It's honestly disgusting and a slap in the face I can't wait for the Academy to be over someday. The Weeknd was right and I wish more artists stood up against the politics and corruption Edited February 5 by whiteferrari 3
period sis Posted February 5 Posted February 5 10 hours ago, vale9001 said: Grammy stage not big enough for all the co writers and producers of the not winning three? SOS actually has less credits than Midnights. 1 1
hallucinate Posted February 6 Posted February 6 white privilege obviously plays a huge part but there is also favoritism towards taylor lbr
Great808 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 The Grammy's are racist yet half of the winners in any given year are Black even Childish Gambino won for that extremely Pro Black song those years ago there’s no way y’all are convincing anyone they’re racist lmao. I can’t stand y’all. You all need to find someone else other than her to rally around literally anyone but her, horrid music and the amount of people it takes to create those extremely underwhelming albums is beyond laughable. The SAMPLING is practically thievery the way she uses at. I do not like Taylor one bit but at least the music she creates is original down to the melody to the kick to the bassline to the chord arrangements. I hope the Grammys keep giving Beyonce the middle finger for as long as she continues to release music. LOL 4
swissman Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, Great808 said: The Grammy's are racist yet half of the winners in any given year are Black even Childish Gambino won for that extremely Pro Black song those years ago there’s no way y’all are convincing anyone they’re racist lmao. I can’t stand y’all. You all need to find someone else other than her to rally around literally anyone but her, horrid music and the amount of people it takes to create those extremely underwhelming albums is beyond laughable. The SAMPLING is practically thievery the way she uses at. I do not like Taylor one bit but at least the music she creates is original down to the melody to the kick to the bassline to the chord arrangements. I hope the Grammys keep giving Beyonce the middle finger for as long as she continues to release music. LOL It's really funny you say the way Beyoncé uses samples is almost thievery when she's almost universally acclaimed for how well she utilizes samples in her work and specifically how she does them with artistry and tact. There's a richness to them that goes beyond just "this is a cute sound." For example, the sample on Freedom was recorded in a State Penitentiary in the 1940s. The sample in Don't Hurt Yourself, a song that's a reclamation of the rock-genre as originating with Black artists samples a Led Zeppelin's song that was a cover of a song co-written by Black artists (one being a woman) in the 1920s. In The Gift/Black is King she sampled a song Hakuna Matata is based on so that the original African artists will get some royalties out of it. This isn't just some copy-paste situation, and you suggested as much looks incredibly ignorant and perhaps willfully delusional. Also the idea that everything Taylor creates is 100% original is a lie, considering she's used samples too, just not nearly as often. But to the main point, do you really think racism was proven as solved when Childish Gambino won for a pro-Black song during the height of the BLM movement? 4 1
Letemtalk Posted February 6 Posted February 6 4 hours ago, Great808 said: The Grammy's are racist yet half of the winners in any given year are Black even Childish Gambino won for that extremely Pro Black song those years ago there’s no way y’all are convincing anyone they’re racist lmao. I can’t stand y’all. You all need to find someone else other than her to rally around literally anyone but her, horrid music and the amount of people it takes to create those extremely underwhelming albums is beyond laughable. The SAMPLING is practically thievery the way she uses at. I do not like Taylor one bit but at least the music she creates is original down to the melody to the kick to the bassline to the chord arrangements. I hope the Grammys keep giving Beyonce the middle finger for as long as she continues to release music. LOL There is nothing original there, most of her songs use quite generic chord progressions. Plus her producer has done a lot of recycling in recent years and not saying that is her fault, but she keeps working with him. Does Taylor Swift really have more original chord progressions/harmonic complexity than this SOTY winning song? She is being rewarded for commercial success and people are voting for America's sweetheart. And the women that can be called America's sweetheart tend to have a certain look about them. https://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+america's+sweetheart&tbm=isch 4 1
Shelter Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Lbr if Beyonce or SZA turned in MIDnights, it would’ve went home with nothing. 1
Cameltoe Chariot Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) Beyonce has won 29 Grammy Awards. Taylor Swift has won 14 Grammy Awards. Beyonce has more than twice as many Grammy Awards as Taylor Swift. In what world is Beyonce not winning AOTY a sign of racism in the industry? In what world is Jay Z being given an honorary award and airtime for a speech that he used to highlight his wife's apparent "struggle" to be recognized for her efforts a sign of racism in the industry? In what world is Blue Ivy having her OWN GRAMMY AWARD at the age of 12 a sign of racism in the industry? Just because there is actual systemic racism in the music industry does not mean that we can assume every loss of Beyonce's is because of racism. She and her billionaire husband are at the absolute top of the food chain, and to claim otherwise is honestly insane. Edited February 6 by Cameltoe Chariot 2 4
swissman Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 8 hours ago, Cameltoe Chariot said: Beyonce has won 29 Grammy Awards. Taylor Swift has won 14 Grammy Awards. Beyonce has more than twice as many Grammy Awards as Taylor Swift. In what world is Beyonce not winning AOTY a sign of racism in the industry? In what world is Jay Z being given an honorary award and airtime for a speech that he used to highlight his wife's apparent "struggle" to be recognized for her efforts a sign of racism in the industry? In what world is Blue Ivy having her OWN GRAMMY AWARD at the age of 12 a sign of racism in the industry? Just because there is actual systemic racism in the music industry does not mean that we can assume every loss of Beyonce's is because of racism. She and her billionaire husband are at the absolute top of the food chain, and to claim otherwise is honestly insane. In part because: A Black woman has not won AOTY in 26 years Taylor alone has MORE AOTY wins than Black woman have ever won in the entire Grammys history This is not Taylor's fault, however. I want that to be clear. But it does say a lot that one white woman in a span of just 15 years has exceeded the total AOTY wins of Black women in 66 years. And in the last 15 years, white women have won more than double the total AOTY wins that Black women have received in 66 years. 3% of Beyoncé's awards are from the main categories (Song of the Year, once) 28% of Taylor's awards are from the main categories (Album of the Year, four times) But no one is saying every loss is because of racism. Beyoncé's self-titled album losing "Best Urban-Contemporary Album" against Pharrell's Girl in 2014 had nothing to do with racism, despite it being yet another example of the academy's odd choices. And any white win is not an automatic example of racism, either. HOWEVER, noting Beyoncé's multiple notable snubs for AOTY (several times when she was expected to win, not just a contender) and the history of the Academy awarding very few Black women, PLUS the fact that until only recently the great majority of people voting were white people (and especially white men, and the Grammys have admitted as much and said this was a problem they need to fix), it does suggest that's a strong potential for racial bias (overt or otherwise) when it comes to the main categories, which is why we see so few Black women taking home AOTY. Think about this: In just eight years, if no Black woman wins AOTY there will have been as much time as it took for the first Black woman to win AOTY (in 1992) as since the last Black woman won AOTY (1999). That is beyond outrageous. At least from the 1950s-1990s we could potentially explain the lack of Black women AOTY winners as it being a "different time" but what's the excuse now? Do we really think that no Black woman has made a record worthy enough of this accolade since 1999? And that has Beyoncé not at least done it once with her consecutive highly praised, culture-shifting and popular albums? If you can say "there is actual system racism in the music industry" why do you think Beyoncé or any Black artist is exempt from it at the Grammys? To be the most awarded artist means that you are taken very seriously, but that's why it seems like there's more to the story if she can have all this success...but only (generally) in the "Black" categories. And lastly, Blue Ivy having a Grammy is an example of nepotism, NOT proof that racism does not exist. And she won it in the category of Best Music Video. Edited February 7 by swissman 7
swissman Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Arguing that Beyoncé's success proves racism doesn't exist is like saying Obama was president and thus racism no longer exists. You can reach the highest heights in spite of racism, but that does not mean racism does not come into play at all. 6
Wicked Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 2/5/2024 at 11:00 AM, Armani? said: Meanwhile, Hip Hop Albums winning AOTY in the past 24 years = 1 4% Hip Hop is too cutting edge and boundary pushing to win mainstream music awards, similar to Jazz music. Miles Davis has no AOTY. lol. We have to let the academy go, and work hard on creating something new if people are so invested in having an award ceremony.
MingYouToo Posted February 7 Posted February 7 yall overyhyping SOS and putting it in the realm of LMN and Renaissance PLEASSEEEE SZA is closer to Ariana Grande than to Beyonce lets have some refreshers and sit down pls 1 1
toxicgenie Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Isn't Taylor also known for having really aggressive award campaigns? I remember a while ago reading about some voters getting swag and tickets to see the Era tour etc.
dumbsparce Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Beyonce never deserved AOTY. Her albums have never been neither the best nor the biggest selling in their respective years. I can't believe her propaganda is still working in 2024. 1 1
Iyanla, Fix Me Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 2/5/2024 at 8:19 AM, KatyPrismSpirit said: was it white privilege as well when beyonce became the most awarded artist in grammy history? why only focus on album of the year? a grammy is a grammy The majority are her Grammys are from R&B and Hip categories which are voted on primarily black people. She has ONE Big 4 Grammy and a few general awards (surround sound, music video, etc.) 1
afterhoursxo Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/6/2024 at 9:47 AM, Shelter said: Lbr if Beyonce or SZA turned in MIDnights, it would’ve went home with nothing. This is really the tea! Midnights over SOS was a crazy snub and I was honestly quite surprised that they would have given her a record breaking 4th for it and I even liked Midnights. The fact that Reputation and Lover didn't even get nominated in this category only for Midnights to get nominated and WIN is suspect. That being said, the biggest AOTY snub was HARRYS HOUSE over Renaissance (or even Un Verano Sin Ti or Mr. Morale). That was the definition of white mediocrity. 1
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