2NE1 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 When are y’all gonna realize lemonade is not the album y’all thought it was. 4 1 4
AxelFox Posted February 5 Posted February 5 27 minutes ago, TaggedGalaxy said: the way y’all keep sneaking Renaissance into these conversations Renaissance is a perfectly curated body of work that celebrates decades of dance music, its origins in black queer spaces and pays homage to icons that did not get to receive their flowers in their time while also bringing a modern spin to it for current audiences. Its scope, richness and attention to details is far grander than what most contemporary pop stars put out. Anything next to it is a sneak. Not the other way around. 4 1 1
Gaia Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, AxelFox said: SOS is more on par with midnights rather than records such as Lemonade and Renaissance so I don't get the pairing Renaissance is not some excellent record Lyrically, SOS is vastly superior. Not even remotely close. 2 1 4
AxelFox Posted February 5 Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, 2NE1 said: When are y’all gonna realize lemonade is not the album y’all thought it was. Let me get this straight. An entire visual project that tells the story of one's marriage as a metaphor to America’s abusive relationship with black people, particularly black women through its music, while highlighting generations of struggles and pain is not 'that album' but kidz bops and nursery rhymes is where it's at. 9 2 1 3
AxelFox Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Gaia said: Renaissance is not some excellent record Lyrically, SOS is vastly superior. Not even remotely close. It is, very much so. You can ramble about Sza's sad girl lyrics but SOS remains a slighlty above average r&b album catered to the playlist culture of today. Much like Midnights is a run of the mill pop album. Renaissance is on an entire different lane in terms of scope, purpose and musicianship. 1
Blue Monday Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) Lyrics like "Karma is a cat" and "Draw the cat eye sharp enough to kill a man" were just too powerful for Grammy voters to deny Edited February 5 by Blue Monday 6
Meloetta Carey Posted February 5 Posted February 5 White supremacy/privilege, rockism, and Beyoncé's superhuman ability to bring out people's worst insecurities. Spoiler I know Taylor was going to win AOTY for the fourth time eventually, it's just disappointing that they'll give it to that album. Especially since 2023 was more about celebrating her entire career up until this point. I think SOTY would of been more meaningul for her.
Devin Posted February 5 Posted February 5 53 minutes ago, Bonicap said: black privilege oh thats not-
Trent W Posted February 5 Posted February 5 SOS is not a great album just an ok one like Midnights Lemonade, ST and Renaissance were the real crime, that fact that not one of them one is absolutely insane. The Midnights win will just mark Taylor as “white privilege” since it was really not the best album of the year. I do think all her other 3 winnings were fair and important points of her career. This one was completely unnecessary, even her face was like is too much.
Zefierce Posted February 5 Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, AxelFox said: Renaissance is a perfectly curated body of work that celebrates decades of dance music, its origins in black queer spaces and pays homage to icons that did not get to receive their flowers in their time while also bringing a modern spin to it for current audiences. Its scope, richness and attention to details is far grander than what most contemporary pop stars put out. Anything next to it is a sneak. Not the other way around. Yes a “perfectly curated” body of work created by hundreds of people yet still relies on heavy sampling all throughout and appropriates queer culture; something Beyoncé had no interest/involvement in throughout her long career until she decided it benefited her. I for one am grateful the Grammy committee saw the laziness and fraudulence and decided not to award it with the highest honor. 2 3
BeyIridescent Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Black women have to work twice as hard to get half as far. 1 1
Gov Hooka Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Can everyone collectively stop caring about this sham awards show? 1
enchanted0 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 It would’ve been hella embarassing for Grammy if they didn’t acknowledge Taylor’s historic global dominance when the media of the entire world does it. Midnights and The Eras Tour were truly a MOMENT, I guess her musical peers can’t help but agree. It’s all voted by people after all so I guess that’s why Midnights won, not necessarily because it’s musically better. 1 1
Stankonia Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) The Scammy voting committee has always been racist and has always favored white mediocrity over anything else. Edited February 5 by Stankonia 1
xfreshkidxx Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) Because they didnt deserve to win and glad they didnt. Poor Hive. Edited February 5 by xfreshkidxx 2
AxelFox Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Zefierce said: Yes a “perfectly curated” body of work created by hundreds of people yet still relies on heavy sampling all throughout and appropriates queer culture; something Beyoncé had no interest/involvement in throughout her long career until she decided it benefited her. I for one am grateful the Grammy committee saw the laziness and fraudulence and decided not to award it with the highest honor. I'm sorry but this is such a stupid and uneducated take. The samples are an important part of the artistic process in Renaissance's case, it's literally her paying homage to many great icons of dance music from the past that had an impact on the genre. The samples are also mostly used as fun references and nodes rather than ripping off an entire song so I'm not sure what the 'heavy sampling' you're talking about here is, this is not a nicki minaj or ava max situation. That's literally the whole concept of the album, 'rebirth' of a sound by showcasing its past greatness while bringing a modern and fresh twist to it. Not to mention, most of the songs have like 3-5 writers/producers if you don't count the samples credits and that is standard for most pop starts out there. Again, why the fake outrage? And just because she 'had no interest in throughout her long career' (which is false, she has long played around with disco and funk sounds) doesn't make it any less genuine. Are artists not meant to explore and and get inspired by different things throughout their life? Would you also say Madonna's Ray Of Light is fraudulent because she had not shown interest in ambient, psychedelic music up until that point? Honestly I'm not even sure why I bothered to type this out because judging by your post I doubt you have the capabilities and knowledge to even carry a discussion on the topic but alas. Edited February 5 by AxelFox 7 1 2
CovalentBondage Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Bonicap said: Was it black privilege when Bruno Mars won over Lorde, 'This is America' won over Shallow or 'I Can't Breathe' won over Cardigan or Don't Start Now? Oh I forgot this is just my subjective opinion. Not black privilege
Gladiator Posted February 5 Posted February 5 15 minutes ago, enchanted0 said: It would’ve been hella embarassing for Grammy if they didn’t acknowledge Taylor’s historic global dominance when the media of the entire world does it. Midnights and The Eras Tour were truly a MOMENT, I guess her musical peers can’t help but agree. It’s all voted by people after all so I guess that’s why Midnights won, not necessarily because it’s musically better. The issue people have with it is that the award is intended for "honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception" - that was the definition of the award, so when people bring up the album sales, chart position, critical reception, and global dominance Taylor had as reasoning behind her getting this, this rationale falls flat when compared to other projects nominated. Taylor is my fav, but I fail to see how she deserved this award with Midnights. 1
NoOneDiesFromLove Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Because that’s how voting works, taste is subjective and if you think one album was better in quality than another, then that’s also subjective! Of course there are things that influence one’s decision when voting, like the influence and the cultural impact of said album. Hope that helps! 1
flashfox Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Bonicap said: Was it black privilege when Bruno Mars won over Lorde, 'This is America' won over Shallow or 'I Can't Breathe' won over Cardigan or Don't Start Now? Oh I forgot this is just my subjective opinion. Bruno Mars is not black 8
AmandaHP Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Bonicap said: Was it black privilege when Bruno Mars won over Lorde, 'This is America' won over Shallow or 'I Can't Breathe' won over Cardigan or Don't Start Now? Oh I forgot this is just my subjective opinion.
C-Amber Posted February 5 Posted February 5 So it's not enough for some of you that the most awarded person in grammy history is Beyoncé, as well they give her husband 24 Awards and Global Impact award for God knows what, but yall want more & more and to be giving all Album, record and song of the Year awards looooool so let's just demand the ceremony to be cancelled whenever Beyoncé drop and album and give all the awards to her, maybe this will satisfy you. 2 1 2 1
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