KatyPrismSpirit Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Jay07 said: No not really. They are called the main categories for a reason. The fact that Black acts are siloed off to the R&B and Rap categories while white mediocrity like Taylor, Harry Styles, Adele sweep the main categories is racist and that's why The Weeknd, Drake have stopped submitting. Ignoring that is willfully ignorant at best and enabling that behavior at worst. how can u say this when the last three or four BNA recipients are black women, lizzo won ROTY last year and HER won SOTY one year before that too. We Are won album of the year two years ago as well. the history if the grammys was disregarding of black artistry but things have definitely changed. 3
Digitalism Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) Yall give this award too much attention This has the level of respect of the golden globes when they were bribing people and it will continue to get less and less respect until it is on the VMAs level Edited February 5 by Digitalism 4
getinthezone Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: how can u say this when the last three or four BNA recipients are black women, lizzo won ROTY last year and HER won SOTY one year before that too. We Are won album of the year two years ago as well. the history if the grammys was disregarding of black artistry but things have definitely changed.
Bonicap Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Digitalism said: Yall give this award too much attention This has the level of respect of the golden globes when they were bribing people and it will continue to get less and less respect until it is on the VMAs level Tell that to the artists that cry every time they receive a Grammy like SZA yesterday. It will be relevant as long as it means a lot to the artists. Edited February 5 by Bonicap
Kimi Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Digitalism said: Yall give this award too much attention This has the level of respect of the golden globes when they were bribing people and it will continue to get less and less respect until it is on the VMAs level Omg you’re right Grammys are kinda the Golden Globes of music pretending to be Oscars. It makes so much sense, and we pay so much attention cause we don’t have our Oscars. 1 1 1
Armani? Posted February 5 Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: was it white privilege as well when beyonce became the most awarded artist in grammy history? why only focus on album of the year? a grammy is a grammy Was it white privilege when Yummy by Justin Bieber was nominated over Blinding Lights by the Weeknd? 2 1
Digitalism Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Bonicap said: Tell that to the artists that cry every time they receive a Grammy like SZA yesterday. It will be relevant as long as it means a lot to the artists. There isn't another award This is still the most respected music award because it's allegedly not only based on success. But that doesn't mean it not on the lowest level
Jjang Posted February 5 Posted February 5 The Grammy’s are an excellent promo tool. That’s all. As far as reward for artistic merit and excellence goes it’s on par with Kid’s Choice Awards. 2
KatyPrismSpirit Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Just now, Armani? said: Was it white privilege when Yummy by Justin Bieber was nominated over Blinding Lights by the Weeknd? Yes, but they were talking about the main category and why Beyonce lost AOTY four times. not the weeknd
TaggedGalaxy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 the way y’all keep sneaking Renaissance into these conversations 5 5
Jay07 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: how can u say this when the last three or four BNA recipients are black women, lizzo won ROTY last year and HER won SOTY one year before that too. We Are won album of the year two years ago as well. the history if the grammys was disregarding of black artistry but things have definitely changed. The last woman to win AOTY was Lauryn Hill. 25 years ago. You can't possibly pretend there's not a pattern here and HER winning changed that. 1
KatyPrismSpirit Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Just now, Jay07 said: The last woman to win AOTY was Lauryn Hill. 25 years ago. You can't possibly pretend there's not a pattern here and HER winning changed that. I mean yes, that is wild. Im not a Grammy defender by any means but all Im saying is that each year a black woman was favored to win (Lemonade, SOS) taylor and adele were competition and competition was just extremely strong (and more succesful than the former records as well) 3
Dante Silva Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) People will consume any music she makes (no matter how mediocre) and give it multiple plays, such is the level of hype around her. The Grammy’s want to find appeal with the widest common denominator audience. Thus they have effectively sacrificed any pretense that the awards are based on the artistic merit of the music they are awarding. By rewarding Taylor with this honor (again), the Grammy’s are courting the long term lifetime allegiance of the widest audience in the U.S. music market. A generation (who as they grow older), will believe that any future questionable decisions made by the Grammy committee are equally as valid as this one. There are a lot of music fans out there who are very happy to be just another generic cog in the system of her fanbase, believing the hype surrounding her that is so prevalent in a media that thrives on the clicks and level of engagement her content generates. I do understand that the feelings her fanbase have towards her are way more sincere than any mass media, para social feelings she could ever imbue upon each individual within her fanbase (who at this point sadly do appear to be factory produced lemmings). Edited February 5 by Dante Silva 3
Bonicap Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Armani? said: Was it white privilege when Yummy by Justin Bieber was nominated over Blinding Lights by the Weeknd? Was it black privilege when Bruno Mars won over Lorde, 'This is America' won over Shallow or 'I Can't Breathe' won over Cardigan or Don't Start Now? Oh I forgot this is just my subjective opinion. 5 12
KatyPrismSpirit Posted February 5 Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, TaggedGalaxy said: the way y’all keep sneaking Renaissance into these conversations the only AOTY grammy bey really deserved was BEYONCÉ. Losing that over Beck was peak racism 1 1
glitch Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Bonicap said: black privilege Oh that's not...
Abracadabra Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Beyoncé is the most awarded artist in history at the Grammy's, so using her as an example of this doesn't really work. I think specifically for AOTY a lot of the time it comes down to genre. There are many black female artists that have deserved to win imo, but for example an album like Renaissance was always unlikely to win due to it being very genre specific to the ballroom/house genre. Lauryn Hill's album really broke down all genre barriers and became an album that people from all sides of the musical spectrum enjoyed, AOTY has a huge voting pool and unfortunately a lot of them may not be particularly huge listeners of R&B or hip-hop so then it's harder for those albums to win. Hip-hop albums also tend to have larger production credits which is another thing that works against them in voting, whether that is fair or not. Hopefully the voting body continues to be more diversified and we see more black female artists winning AOTY. I do think that ATRL should perhaps exercise some self-awareness though, it's pretty ironic seeing y'all say it's racist that Beyoncé or SZA hasn't won AOTY, but then when an artist like H.E.R. wins GF Grammy's, y'all are saying she's an industry plant who buys her awards. 5 4
Jay07 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: I mean yes, that is wild. Im not a Grammy defender by any means but all Im saying is that each year a black woman was favored to win (Lemonade, SOS) taylor and adele were competition and competition was just extremely strong (and more succesful than the former records as well) There's so many Black acts that don't have a major category Grammy. Drake, Kendrick, Abel, Kanye (before everything happened with him) Beyonce, SZA. There's a pattern here. 1
Armani? Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Bonicap said: Was it black privilege when Bruno Mars won over Lorde, 'This is America' won over Shallow or 'I Can't Breathe' won over Cardigan or Don't Start Now? Oh I forgot this is just my subjective opinion. Bruno isn't "Black" though Are you really trying to compare the silliness of Yummy being nominated to This Is America & I Can't Breathe 5
CaptainMusic Posted February 5 Posted February 5 11 minutes ago, Bonicap said: black privilege when Bruno Mars won Black privilege isn’t a thing, and Bruno isn’t black. The rest of your post isn’t even worth responding to. 7
Jon Snow Posted February 5 Posted February 5 There is the most conversation about Beyonce albums, because she's Beyonce and we're on ATRL. But Kendrick lost too. To Pimp a Butterfly and Lemonade losing are two of the biggest snubs in Grammy history 2
burninredhot Posted February 5 Posted February 5 48 minutes ago, DiamondHoe said: Bc Grammy’s are meaningless, especially if you’re a woman doing anything other than riding the trends of the time renaissance, lemonade, NFR and tunnel are all recent examples Trying to imply Taylor is a trend chaser is delusional OT: stop trying to make the same thread again and again and drag this mess
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