PoisonedIvy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, airplane said: MIDnights is not a strong body of work. It is, to me and millions of others. Your opinion is not any more valid than mine. We’re both entitled to these opinions but there’s no use trying to pass yours off as a fact. Quote I am not a fan of Taylor but I know when she makes a good album. Her win for folklore was deserved but Midnights literally goes nowhere and is lacking artistically. folklore is great, but so is Midnights. What you see as a lack of artistry others see as new ground. Midnights is her first album that doesn’t have a clear foundation for each song. There are layers and nuances to the storytelling that create complex origins, a first for an artist that typically relies on narrative storytelling. Spoiler IE where it was easy to deduce All Too Well’s connection to Jake G or Back to December for Taylor L., we have no idea who Maroon is about. We have no idea who Midnight Rain is about. We don’t even know if Sweet Nothing is a love song or a sad song. These lyrical complexities are new elements introduced to the pantheon of Taylor’s attributes as an artist, and they did not exist prior to Midnights (with hoax from folklore kind of being the only exception) Quote She literally put rejects from folkmore onto the deluxe versions too This is… just false. They aren’t folkmore rejects, they are songs created during the conceptualization of Midnights as a record. Quote It was rewarded because she had a very succesful year, rewarded based on numerical metrics, because she’s Taylor Swift. Taylor’s thing appealing to more people implies that there’s some form of bias involved because how does she get it 4 times while other critically acclaimed artists who have also had a very succesful year don’t (SOS)??? Or it was rewarded because people thought it was the best album of the year. It’s easy to decipher why they did -not- think that about the other albums. Spoiler Tunnel: a VERY complex album, not easily digestible at all. I personally love it but do you seriously see the average music listeners across varied genres finding value in an album that is so unrestrained? Where some musicians reward experimentation, others do not understand it. Tunnel is an acquired taste, to assume it would be awarded by a popular vote is almost contradictory, SOS: great album as well, but white listeners are less likely to “connect” with black art. This is unfortunate and I wish it WEREN’T the case, but that is the explanation as to why SZA didn’t garner more votes. Guts and whatever else just didn’t have any cultural, commercial, or critical prominence worthy of recognition. Midnights did. You can attribute that to its success, but that’s not a negative thing. It is not the first or last AOTY to have won the award based on the notoriety it gained for its success. I’m not even going to address your last point because the thousands of musicians voting in the Grammys are not voting for Taylor out of fear they’ll be doxxed. that’s such a baseless accusation and it’s ridiculous if you think about it for even a second. 5
MidnightsAtPeace Posted February 5 Posted February 5 you all better be quick to make a megathread for your meltdowns before the anger is gone
Margaux Posted February 5 Posted February 5 i feel like taylor paid for it somehow but im just glad it didn’t go to sos, so whatever 1
Forevermore. Posted February 5 Posted February 5 People's dedication to continue to cherry pick lyrics to discredit Taylor is incredible actually, it's almost like they weren't trying to discuss things in good faith or something! I'll agree that Midnights wasn't the best album of the year, it likely won purely due to the hype and in my view Lana should have won, but: ignoring the rest of the album and the intention/purpose of Karma lyrics is just willful ignorance and deep down you all know it. It's the same cycle every time. We go into Folklore. B-B-BUT SHAKE IT OFF!! We go into Tortured Poets. B-B-BUT KARMA IS A CAT!! Anyway, stream Tunnel and pre-save Tortured Poets
PoisonedIvy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 I will literally die on the hill that “Karma is a cat, purring in my lap because it loves me.” is not a bad metaphor whatsoever. Figurative language, personification of an abstract idea, and direct characterization are all literary elements that contribute to the songwriting of Karma in a colorful, effervescent way. 1 1
Mezter Posted February 5 Posted February 5 That song is tragic. And putting Ms. spice on it made it so much worst 1
Bosque Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Much less embarrassing than spending this much time fuming over a successful artist you hate 1 1
Margaux Posted February 5 Posted February 5 the band aid don’t fix bullet hole chanteuse strikes again.
alexrex Posted February 5 Posted February 5 No, it deserves it. It deserves album of this generation as well. Taylor Swift is the perfect representation of our generation: Self absorbed, narcissistic and immature. 3
shimind Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Taylor Swift alone is saving the music industry these days. She should be given AOTY for every single album of hers. Even the past ones. 1 1
Redstreak Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, punisher said: so what exactly does midnights shine in production? lyrics? vocals? the only thing it had going for it is it’s success And its acclaim, not gonna let yall keep ignoring it ❤️
WERKER Posted February 5 Posted February 5 What about if an album with these lyrics won? Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka (release ya wiggle) Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka Yaka, yaka, yaka, yaka (release ya wiggle)
Jjang Posted February 5 Posted February 5 and to think she won AOTY over Kendrick, SZA and Bey now white privilege is a real thing. 2 3 1
Zefierce Posted February 5 Posted February 5 11 minutes ago, shimind said: Taylor Swift alone is saving the music industry these days. She should be given AOTY for every single album of hers. Even the past ones. Yes, every one of her “Taylor’s Version” albums should be nominated and win AOTY along with her new releases. Including those that won AOTY already.
Zefierce Posted February 5 Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, Jjang said: and to think she won AOTY over Kendrick, SZA and Bey now white privilege is a real thing. And Beyoncé winning with an album full of samples and 100 writers in each song would be less embarrassing in your logic? 1 1 1
lachiqui_klk Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said: Then stop caring about white metrics of success? Renaissance was a queer black album. Like, in what WORLD do you see the majority of American citizens — white folks — enjoying r&b/house/hip hop/dance music heavily injected with black culture? That album is not for them and it never was going to be respected by them. As a black person I am not upset that white people don’t connect to black art, I genuinely do not care. Some of you all need to stop caring too. The Grammys are voted on by peers in the music industry. An album that is more “digestible” is going to have more wide of an appeal. Harry’s album was easier for a country or rock listener to enjoy than Renaissance was. I personally liked Renaissance more but I completely understand that it is a polarizing piece of art. To ignore that is ludicrous. I understand what you're saying but shouldn't the Grammy voters take more things into account that what they like / what's digestible? This year it is a bit more blurred but last year it was obvious that Renaissance was the album of the year. The voters should be professional enough to see that and not vote on their personal preferences. That's why the Grammys are the Grammys and not the People's Choice Awards.
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