Marianah Adkins Posted February 5 Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, Yellowfever said: She does not have credits as a producer in SOS. Taylor just did everything better and had more success, it was bad timing for SZA. Success yes but better LMAO.
Stankonia Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Reminder that THE Diana Ross has never won a single Scammy in her 7 decades-spanning career, with the Supremes or as a solo artist. 13
Wicked Posted February 5 Posted February 5 So much of the American entertainment industry, especially the music, has been driven almost entirely by Black Americans musical contributions. I always find it strange that is rarely showcased in Grammy wins. Anyway, if I had to construct an album by a sister to win AOTY and have the best chance nowadays: -No samples, they don't like that. Big reason Rap gets paid dust in main categories. -Only one producer for the entire album. -Contemporary but not too cutting edge. -Can't use vocal techniques popular in African American music tradition. They don't like that either. That being said they should stop caring (they won't), stop submitting (they won't) and stop attending. Don't perform either. 9
Yellowfever Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Marianah Adkins said: Success yes but better LMAO. I’m not talking about quality, taylor did a better job in a sense that created a successful album with fewer people involved. That’s the pattern for AOTY winners. 1
Happylittlepunk Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) Nobody is owe anything. She needs just keep it moving. Edited February 5 by Happylittlepunk 1
Machete Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Actual answer is release a safe pop album. Bey's biggest chance was for IASF, the year she won her only GF. Lizzo's peak soccer mom song won ROTY last year. The Grammys are racist yes but it is more in terms of "urban" genre-bias than just plain black artist = can't win. 1
XO_Life Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Midnights was the album of the year tho. Everyone was buying and streaming it all year round. Isn't it still in the top 10 plus one of the best selling albums ever?
Wicked Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, XO_Life said: Midnights was the album of the year tho. Everyone was buying and streaming it all year round. Isn't it still in the top 10 plus one of the best selling albums ever? Morgan Wallens album is/was bigger than Midnights in the US. So by your metrics Morgan was snubbed horribly and robbed cause he wasn't even nominated.
XO_Life Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Wicked said: Morgan Wallens album is/was bigger than Midnights in the US. So by your metrics Morgan was snubbed horribly and robbed cause he wasn't even nominated. Midnights is critically acclaimed and was talked about all of 2023. Can't say the same for Miss Morgan.
MatiRod Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Lactose_Milk said: Till this day! I still remember that Irish band, U2 beating Mariah Carey. The Emancipation of Mimi" was also one of the best-selling albums of the 21st century. So even if you write your own songs, have the best album and is the highest selling release you still aren’t deserving. Yeah Mariah really should’ve won. It was the album of the year.
Nickimeetsatrl Posted February 5 Posted February 5 If SOS couldn’t do it, then I think we need to wait for the voters to shuffle….
Fleahive Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) I could see a random small black female artist that makes country or jazz music winning. Like the 2 jazz girls who won best new artist. But they would have to be a new artist. Bey ain’t winning **** with her country album including in the country genres. Edited February 5 by Fleahive
pimmelfratze Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Taylor winning is such a joke and disgrace to other talents. Haters gonna say otherwise 2
Johnny Jacobs Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Fire the current old white farts that's in the voting committee
Katamari Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Make an album that appeals to the 40+ age voting body I guess honestly Lauryn’s win needs to be studied. I don’t how she pulled that off white folks love themselves some Fugees I guess
Jolin Tsai Posted February 5 Posted February 5 write jazz or traditional r&b albums. Grammy voters hate alternative r&b i fear. And only use one or two producers.They love self written.
Achilles. Posted February 5 Posted February 5 First and foremost, you have to be seen as a songwriter. It is practically a requirement. Beyoncé is seen as a performer first, and a vocalist second, and will likely never win for that reason alone. Tone down the vulgarity and explicit language. This is particularly detrimental to rap music in the general field, though I’m sure it hurt SZA this year too. Look at the people of color who have won the general field lately: Lizzo, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste. Safe as hell. Typically an AOTY winner will either need massive success, or great status in the industry (a la Beck, Batiste). I think HER and Janelle Monae are on their way to establishing that industry status; they have the “real musician” credibility, too, so it’s just a matter of content and connecting to a broader audience. I’d look to the likes of HER, Janelle Monae, Rhiannon Giddens, Yola… They’ll never be a 1989 type winner, but they could be a Golden Hour type winner if the stars align like they did for Kacey. 2 1
Achilles. Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Marianah Adkins said: Explain Harry’s House then? Commercial success yes but production + lyrics? basic and laughable. Oh, people in the industry eat up Harry’s “old school rocker” schtick just like they adore Bruno’s throwback gimmick. Harry Styles had the Joni Mitchell endorsement and the Stevie Nicks endorsement; what other opinion on the album really matters after that? (Shania Twain was also stanning; they had a grandma present his AOTY for a reason I think…)
Marianah Adkins Posted February 5 Posted February 5 40 minutes ago, Achilles. said: First and foremost, you have to be seen as a songwriter. It is practically a requirement. Beyoncé is seen as a performer first, and a vocalist second, and will likely never win for that reason alone. Tone down the vulgarity and explicit language. This is particularly detrimental to rap music in the general field, though I’m sure it hurt SZA this year too. Look at the people of color who have won the general field lately: Lizzo, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste. Safe as hell. Typically an AOTY winner will either need massive success, or great status in the industry (a la Beck, Batiste). I think HER and Janelle Monae are on their way to establishing that industry status; they have the “real musician” credibility, too, so it’s just a matter of content and connecting to a broader audience. I’d look to the likes of HER, Janelle Monae, Rhiannon Giddens, Yola… They’ll never be a 1989 type winner, but they could be a Golden Hour type winner if the stars align like they did for Kacey. So basically being safe and conventional. Not surprised since dinosaurs dominate the voting. This explains why HipHop and lately modern RnB is being snubbed lately. Also idk but I dont think the songwriter requirement always rang true (maybe until recently). Celine and Whitney have won AOTY, tony Bennett and Herbie Hancock also won for cover albums imagine Gaga winning for Love For Sale nnn 32 minutes ago, Achilles. said: Oh, people in the industry eat up Harry’s “old school rocker” schtick just like they adore Bruno’s throwback gimmick. Harry Styles had the Joni Mitchell endorsement and the Stevie Nicks endorsement; what other opinion on the album really matters after that? (Shania Twain was also stanning; they had a grandma present his AOTY for a reason I think…) Idk if unpopular opinion but you can also see why music has been so held back in terms of innovation (in the mainstream). All this old rockers gatekeeping— which is ironic considering they constantly cry about how new music aint **** or not 1
Shinning Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Yellowfever said: Harry’s house = huge commercial success + all songs written by harry with only one or two co-writters. The Grammys are supposed to be accolades for artistic excellence without regards to commercial success. That is literally the gist of them. So “huge commercial success” should not be a relevant metric in awarding Grammys and if it is then they should just assume it and own it and become no better than the Billboard Awards.
Mordecai Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Machete said: Actual answer is release a safe pop album. Bey's biggest chance was for IASF, the year she won her only GF. Lizzo's peak soccer mom song won ROTY last year. The Grammys are racist yes but it is more in terms of "urban" genre-bias than just plain black artist = can't win. Yeah I think this is it, it's also a genre issue. Racism aside, few mainstream black artists dabble in pure pop music so if the Grammys don't want to acknowledge R&B/hip hop music then they look elsewhere to award black artists, which is where you get your Jon Batistes, your Samara Joys and Esperanza Spaldings, none of whom were on anybody's radar or frontrunners to win
bad guy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Apparently nothing can since SZA ticks all the boxes and still lost over the most bland album ever. 1
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