WildHeart Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Varrock said: User WildHeart sits at his vanity with tears coming down his acne-filled face as he, yet again, lost a debate on ATRL concerning a subject he knows nothing about. As his crocodile tears subdue, he looks at himself through his broken mirror and reaffirms “you are beautiful! You are smart!”. He proceeds to fix his poorly bleached and dyed pastel pink hair and re-adjusts his crusted septum ring as he prepares for another full day of hard work being a social justice warrior on a pop forum site while his mother and father yell at him in disappointment everyday to get a job. First "what about Uyghurs" to Communion, now a decade old post reference You are definitely not the brightest dupe 4
2NE1 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 19 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said: Ya going to down vote me to hell and back but Idc and won’t check But I care more about my rights in this country and making sure I protect them by making sure that Biden is president over trump which could stop me from getting married, discriminated because I’m black, or the rights of women to have rights in THIS country than I do for either side of the Israel and Palestine war. Both of which couldn’t care less for my black American ass. third party has ZERO chance of winning. Ya progressives did the same **** in 2016 when Bernie lost and we got trumps ass. If ya care so much take your asses to Gaza and fight on the front line there or stfu And you think Biden gives a ****? Lol 1
rihannafan Posted January 25 Posted January 25 22 hours ago, Varrock said: I despise Trump but I’m not a ******* idiot who’s gonna sit here and pretend like his response to this war wouldn’t be 100x worse (and he even explicitly stated that numerous times) and yet yall are gonna give him a free win just like you did in 2016 and just complain again for the next 4 years 1. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/12/politics/biden-israel-losing-support-netanyahu/index.html https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4358878-biden-criticism-israel-deeper-tensions/amp/ https://www.ft.com/content/200189b0-caa0-4f0c-839e-6e850d852c18 Google is free, babes. 2. Oh, ok, so Hamas has explicitly stated several times that they intend to do ALL of that to Jews and Israelis. And yet here yall are openly supporting them I guess we’re nitpicking what we label as genocide, huh? 3. “Some people hostage” like over 100 still aren’t missing and this number being well over 300 originally you best believe if my sister, mom, or whoever was held hostage that I’d expect my government to do whatever the **** in their power to get them back. Trumps response wouldnt be 100x worse because bidens response was literally as bad as it could get. Way worse than anything trump did in his presidency btw. Way way worse. 1 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 25 Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Varrock said: User WildHeart sits at his vanity with tears coming down his acne-filled face as he, yet again, lost a debate on ATRL concerning a subject he knows nothing about. As his crocodile tears subdue, he looks at himself through his broken mirror and reaffirms “you are beautiful! You are smart!”. He proceeds to fix his poorly bleached and dyed pastel pink hair and re-adjusts his crusted septum ring as he prepares for another full day of hard work being a social justice warrior on a pop forum site while his mother and father yell at him in disappointment everyday to get a job. This "new" user is parodying a decade-old OldTRL meme from Nicole, from long before they ever joined. Seems like an obvious dupe to me!
ForgottenSoul Posted January 25 Posted January 25 23 hours ago, Varrock said: “Four more years of genocide”? Do you honestly think Trump being in power will be any better? It’ll be tragically worse. For everyone. Y’all are such birdbrains. Funny that your downvoted when exactly.. people here want to give Trump the Office for him to even worse?
ForgottenSoul Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 17 hours ago, brraap said: You genuinely have zero critical thinking skills. Biden blindly supports Israel. Multiple people have shown you things he’s said from his own mouth throughout the conflict that you chose to ignore Next up: some pictures since I genuinely think you’re trolling and cannot be this ignorant and obtuse This is the case for many Palestinians. The IDF detains literal children as young as 12 and subjects them to all the above and worse. An estimated 10,000 Palestinian childrenhave been held in military detention over the past 20 years, with Save the Children noting that they are “the only children in the world who are systematically prosecuted in military courts.” As of Nov. 20, Israeli forces had arrested as many as 880 Palestinian children this year, a practice made possible under Israel’s draconian military laws. https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/ Israel detains children for as little as throwing a rock. When some of the hostages were freed they were dapping up Hamas fighters and talking about how they treated them humanely Initially, they ate “chicken with rice, all sorts of canned food and cheese,” Munder told Channel 13, in an audio interview. “We were OK.” https://apnews.com/article/hostage-gaza-freed-israel-captive-408f65fcc1b8f016f3735cd5022163eb You WISH I was a white twink What they are doing in the West Bank is wrong but pretty much all that land is either Israel or Palestine, both have claims to it tbh. Either way Israel acted weak after winning war's decades ago and this is the result. 22 hours ago, byzantium said: Is trump forcing Biden to support genocide? Does Biden have no agency? Trump and Biden are following American Policy on Israel. Also, it's not genocide, if it was genocide they are doing a very terrible job.. A more fitting word is Ethnic cleansing which is still bad but Israel's goal is not to kill all of the Palestine people. I guess based on liberal logic any war is a genocide right? 22 hours ago, byzantium said: So you agree that it is a policy of the Biden administration to support Genocide. It's an American Policy to support the state of Israel. You people ignored Yemen deaths, Uyghurs, Darfur genocide (actually a genocide) , didn't care about Turkey doing genocide and Ethnic cleansing against Kurdish people and didn't care about Syria but all came out against Israel.. quite interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide - This is a genocide. Edited January 25 by ForgottenSoul 8
besaid Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) I'm glad that Biden and his campaign response to this has been to ignore these people. They don't deserve airtime, attention or the respect of dialogue. Engaging with them will also open him up to attacks from the right about appeasing Hamas and their supporters. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump and/or Russia were propping up and radicalizing them online. Edited January 25 by besaid 3
byzantium Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: What they are doing in the West Bank is wrong but pretty much all that land is either Israel or Palestine, both have claims to it tbh. Either way Israel acted weak after winning war's decades ago and this is the result. Trump and Biden are following American Policy on Israel. Also, it's not genocide, if it was genocide they are doing a very terrible job.. A more fitting word is Ethnic cleansing which is still bad but Israel's goal is not to kill all of the Palestine people. I guess based on liberal logic any war is a genocide right? It's an American Policy to support the state of Israel. You people ignored Yemen deaths, Uyghurs, Darfur genocide (actually a genocide) , didn't care about Turkey doing genocide and Ethnic cleansing against Kurdish people and didn't care about Syria but all came out against Israel.. quite interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide - This is a genocide. Blindly following American policy is not an excuse for funding genocide or “ethic cleansing” (if you so prefer to label it as a different abhorrent human rights violation. And if you are so interesting in getting semantics, you would see that there is not standard definition of genocide. But there is no requirement that you need to be good at it as you imply. Generally speaking it involves putting conditions on a group of people with the intent to bring about the group’s destruction. There have been numerous examples of leaders in Israel seeing the people of Palestine as “animals” and have certainly put conditions on Gaza to at best severely threaten the group’s existence. The only check on Israel from truly being “good” at genocide here is the US and its tolerance of Israeli action. And because of that it’s rather morally abhorrent to suggest that we should not try to stop this human rights violation. It’s rather ironic that you bring up those other examples of Genocide without (any evidence of my own prior action) as a means to advocate for ignoring another one. Edited January 25 by byzantium 1
WildHeart Posted January 25 Posted January 25 5 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: didn't care about Turkey doing genocide and Ethnic cleansing against Kurdish people There are 20M Kurdish people living in Turkey, stop making **** up to excuse what is happening in Israel and Palestine right now 1
Communion Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 12 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: you people ignored Yemen deaths Not sure Yemeni people are of a concern to Biden, tbh! 1
Bosque Posted January 25 Posted January 25 12 hours ago, besaid said: I'm glad that Biden and his campaign response to this has been to ignore these people. They don't deserve airtime, attention or the respect of dialogue. Engaging with them will also open him up to attacks from the right about appeasing Hamas and their supporters. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump and/or Russia were propping up and radicalizing them online. I mean Hamas themselves are praising these people for doing their job for them: Quote In an interview with Kuwaiti podcaster Ammar Taki last week, Senior Hamas Official Khaled Mashaal, said that there is “nearly a consensus” among Palestinians that they will not give up their rights to the land stretching “from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea” — that is, the West Bank, Gaza and all of Israel. Mashaal noted that the slogan is also regularly chanted at rallies by “American students and in European capitals,” and said that the October 7 onslaught has “revived that dream.” The Hamas bigwig categorically rejected the option of a political settlement with Israel. Addressing the high death toll in Gaza, Mashaal sloughed off responsibility for the loss of civilian lives. He said that “the resistance cannot prevent human losses,” echoing comments he had made in the days after October 7, when he said that Palestinians will need to sacrifice lives in order to liberate themselves. 1
Luckitty Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Democrats supporting the genocide of middle easterners? Democrats and their "hero" Obama killed millions in the middle east & north africa, this is not surprising 1
Luckitty Posted January 25 Posted January 25 12 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: What they are doing in the West Bank is wrong but pretty much all that land is either Israel or Palestine, both have claims to it tbh. Either way Israel acted weak after winning war's decades ago and this is the result. Trump and Biden are following American Policy on Israel. Also, it's not genocide, if it was genocide they are doing a very terrible job.. A more fitting word is Ethnic cleansing which is still bad but Israel's goal is not to kill all of the Palestine people. I guess based on liberal logic any war is a genocide right? It's an American Policy to support the state of Israel. You people ignored Yemen deaths, Uyghurs, Darfur genocide (actually a genocide) , didn't care about Turkey doing genocide and Ethnic cleansing against Kurdish people and didn't care about Syria but all came out against Israel.. quite interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide - This is a genocide. Who are you to decide what is genocide and what is not? 1
ForgottenSoul Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 13 hours ago, byzantium said: Blindly following American policy is not an excuse for funding genocide or “ethic cleansing” (if you so prefer to label it as a different abhorrent human rights violation. And if you are so interesting in getting semantics, you would see that there is not standard definition of genocide. But there is no requirement that you need to be good at it as you imply. Generally speaking it involves putting conditions on a group of people with the intent to bring about the group’s destruction. There have been numerous examples of leaders in Israel seeing the people of Palestine as “animals” and have certainly put conditions on Gaza to at best severely threaten the group’s existence. The only check on Israel from truly being “good” at genocide here is the US and its tolerance of Israeli action. And because of that it’s rather morally abhorrent to suggest that we should not try to stop this human rights violation. It’s rather ironic that you bring up those other examples of Genocide without (any evidence of my own prior action) as a means to advocate for ignoring another one. Israel does not want Palestine people to all die or be destroyed? If so they wouldn't have let them remain in those areas after winning wars, and wouldn't have let the population grow so much. Also even though this might enrage you people with the amount of rockets Israel has fired into such a condensed area 20k people is not that much. You guys love to make Israel the only bad guy here when Hamas has majority support in Gaza and wants to genocide Israel? Hamas rejects a two-state solution, doesn't want ceasefire yet you blame the west and Isreal for everything.. Ill be fair here neither side wants a two-state solution now. 8 hours ago, WildHeart said: There are 20M Kurdish people living in Turkey, stop making **** up to excuse what is happening in Israel and Palestine right now excuses? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey#:~:text=Massacres have periodically occurred against,people were sent into exile. This doesnt include the ethnic cleansing they do. Also, Palestine's population has grown massively yet you guys want to claim its genocide? Thats basically your argument. 1 hour ago, Communion said: Not sure Yemeni people are of a concern to Biden, tbh! I said people here didnt care about Yemen which was true.. nearly 400k people died there and who cared here? 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: Who are you to decide what is genocide and what is not? Are you clueless? Genocide literally has a meaning its not something you can decide to use or change the meaning of? Genocide literally means the destruction/killing of a people its not simply a war. Edited January 25 by ForgottenSoul 3
Luckitty Posted January 25 Posted January 25 46 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Genocide literally means the destruction/killing of a people its not simply a war. and this is currently what is happening to Palestinians. Next 1 1 1
WildHeart Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 49 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: excuses? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey#:~:text=Massacres have periodically occurred against,people were sent into exile. This doesnt include the ethnic cleansing they do. So you are saying that people who talk about Palestine/Israel are hypocrites because... they don't talk about what happened 100 years ago in Anatolia? 49 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Also, Palestine's population has grown massively yet you guys want to claim its genocide? Thats basically your argument. So did the populations of 14 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: Yemen, Darfur (actually a genocide), Kurdish people You called them genocide but their population has grown over time too. I would personally call it ethnic cleansing but that's such a flawed logic. Edited January 25 by WildHeart 1
Matthew4815 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 On 1/23/2024 at 8:24 PM, Varrock said: “Four more years of genocide”? Do you honestly think Trump being in power will be any better? It’ll be tragically worse. For everyone. Y’all are such birdbrains. YELL IT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Into The Void Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) Not sure why people are fighting. Whether Trump or Biden wins a 2nd term isn't gonna change the Israel/Palestine conflict l. It's been decades. Trust if another Democrat was in power they would back Israel too Edited January 26 by Insanity
Into The Void Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) A question for the people in this thread. If Trump becomes President what do you think will happen in the Israel/ Palestine conflict? Will genocide continue? Will it be better or worse? Edited January 26 by Insanity
Cloröx Posted January 26 Posted January 26 9 hours ago, Insanity said: A question for the people in this thread. If Trump becomes President what do you think will happen in the Israel/ Palestine conflict? Will genocide continue? Will it be better or worse? Nothing will change but right now Biden did way way way worse than Trump and that's pure fact. The meltdown in November will be chaotic, those Biden cultists have nothing but to blame themselves for agreeing everything he did including supporting genocide which cause so many people abandon the Dem camp
byzantium Posted January 26 Posted January 26 9 hours ago, Insanity said: A question for the people in this thread. If Trump becomes President what do you think will happen in the Israel/ Palestine conflict? Will genocide continue? Will it be better or worse? Who do you recommend putting pressure on to halt the war crimes in Palestine if not the US representatives? If trump wins, then I personally will protest him and his actions if the situation continues. (And maybe we would have more liberal support then). I don’t really support the conclusion that some people have, that we need to accept the massacre that the U.S. is currently funding just because it is not politically expedient to do anything about it. I don’t think politicians need to be perfect. I was actually pretty on board with the first 2.5 years of Biden’s administration and last year was a part of an organization to encourage younger voter turnout for Biden in Wisconsin. But since last October, his administration crossed a line I cannot morally support and I left the organizing group. 1 2
CaptainMusic Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Biden is gonna lose so badly in November. Trump winning again would be a disaster but you can’t guilt people into voting against him anymore when Biden is funding a genocide. They’re both trash.
BeenTheShit Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, CaptainMusic said: Biden is gonna lose so badly in November. Trump winning again would be a disaster but you can’t guilt people into voting against him anymore when Biden is funding a genocide. They’re both trash. We're not "voting for Biden" by voting for Biden. This election is much bigger than him. We're voting for democracy, and the protection of women, LGBTQ+, and minority rights. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Trump and the Republicans are openly talking about taking all these things away if they win. I mean Trump already stacked the Supreme Court in his favor during his last term. I swear some of you need to wake up before November. 1
Communion Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 1 hour ago, BeenTheShit said: We're not "voting for Biden" by voting for Biden. This election is much bigger than him. We're voting for democracy, and the protection of women, LGBTQ+, and minority rights. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Trump and the Republicans are openly talking about taking all these things away if they win. I mean Trump already stacked the Supreme Court in his favor during his last term. I swear some of you need to wake up before November. Because Biden himself has done everything in his powe to intentionally blur any moral clarity between his admin and Trump's. So your only effective options are to go picket outside the White House to get Biden to stop, or you go do the work of electing Biden you're angry at people no longer being willing or morally sure of doing anymore: https://joebiden.com/work-with-us/ (The fact I can only find job listings and no volunteer page...) Good luck! 1
ZeroSuitBritney Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Some of you still advocating for Biden even after he is funding and cheering on a genocide don't get it. How can you honestly look at an Arab, Muslim, or Palestinian and tell them "Hey I'm sorry what is happening to your people. Yeah it sucks Biden is supporting a genocide and sending Israel billions in weapons and destruction, but if Trump is back in office he is going to commit a genocide against your people even faster, so sitting out an election or voting third party is selfish and you're a bad person and will be responsible for 4 more years of Trump." Do you think before you post? Do you honestly think this is acceptable or even appropriate to tell someone? There is literally nothing worse than genocide. It is the crime of all crimes. Just be honest and say you don't care about the Arabs being murdered and we would respect you more. 2
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