WildHeart Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 27 minutes ago, playwithme said: A YouTube video? Lol. A video of human rights lawyer, imbecile. But if ATRL user playwithme says otherwise, it must be true! Who cares about UN and others when we have him. It is hilarious how all those pro-Israel dupes with 100 posts coming out of nowhere about this topic. Edited January 24 by WildHeart 3
If U Seek Amy Posted January 24 Posted January 24 We are really going to repeat this discourse in different threads day in and day out making the same points and arguments back and forth aren’t we? Not that the topic isn’t important. But I see the same users (or their proxy accounts) argue back and forth daily again and again going no where and making the same points. How is spending this much time doing this instead of actually working to help whatever cause you support actually doing anything 2
WildHeart Posted January 24 Posted January 24 6 hours ago, Varrock said: not a country defending itself from a terrorist group swearing they will do it over and over again. That’s called war, babes. Did you ever hear about war crimes? A war doesn't give an excuse to country to target civilians tf 2
BorderBoy Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said: Ya going to down vote me to hell and back but Idc and won’t check But I care more about my rights in this country and making sure I protect them by making sure that Biden is president over trump which could stop me from getting married, discriminated because I’m black, or the rights of women to have rights in THIS country than I do for either side of the Israel and Palestine war. Both of which couldn’t care less for my black American ass. third party has ZERO chance of winning. Ya progressives did the same **** in 2016 when Bernie lost and we got trumps ass. If ya care so much take your asses to Gaza and fight on the front line there or stfu No mention of where and how the taxes that you pay are sent as military aid to Israel to kill Palestinians in Gaza? There should not be a normal life for anyone in the world when there's a literal genocide taking place in one of the poorest countries in the world, a genocide committed by a US-back nuclear power state wtf Edited January 24 by BorderBoy 3
brraap Posted January 24 Posted January 24 For the people in here saying they they would vote Biden for their “freedom”. Your freedom is an illusion. We are in late stage capitalism and if you don’t open your eyes now then what’s the point. You have a lot more in common with the citizens of Gaza than you think These politicians like Biden and Trump do not care about you. They care about capital. They are not protecting your interests. Now it’s a matter of deciding whose the least dangerous between the two 5 1 1 1
State of Grace. Posted January 24 Posted January 24 The avi-less dupes in here Joined 3 weeks ago and knows Communion's "speciality" and entire posting history fff. Oh vile liberals... 12 1
playboi Posted January 24 Posted January 24 im not american but at some point you need to put yourself first, if both candidates want to wage war i'm voting for the that wouldn't ALSO want my death in my OWN country, sorry not sorry 1
loliza Posted January 24 Posted January 24 10 hours ago, Varrock said: Ok, and so if we put our last two hardworking brain cells together, we realize this won’t happen. Are you snowflakes going to pull a Hillary 2016 again and not vote at all and let a madman get into power again and ruin your lives for another 4 years (or for decades if we take the SC into consideration)? Do it! Have fun! Are u gay? Imagine if we all thought like you, no gay rights was ever gonna be achieved cuz **** who cares, the other population could have had us as slaves to kill when they wanted. They were safe, that’s the important 1
Alongoria13 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 10 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said: Ya going to down vote me to hell and back but Idc and won’t check But I care more about my rights in this country and making sure I protect them by making sure that Biden is president over trump which could stop me from getting married, discriminated because I’m black, or the rights of women to have rights in THIS country than I do for either side of the Israel and Palestine war. Both of which couldn’t care less for my black American ass. third party has ZERO chance of winning. Ya progressives did the same **** in 2016 when Bernie lost and we got trumps ass. If ya care so much take your asses to Gaza and fight on the front line there or stfu I agree 100% People boycotting Biden for this is kinda dense when the alternative has proven to be much, much worse is 1
airplane Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Instant BANS to anyone that denies the genocide in Gaza being carried out by Israel. It’s not even worth going back and forth with those pigs tbh. 13
Folklore89sm Posted January 24 Posted January 24 I see it for Trump tbh. The genocide of the Palestinians in Palestine may just be his ticket to securing a complete loss of faith in Biden among younger voters. The best options being Trump and Biden make me glad I’m not American. 1
Communion Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 5 hours ago, Varrock said: And Palestine shrinking at a rapid rate? The population of Palestine has grown by 155% in the past 32 years 9 hours ago, Varrock said: the ongoing Uyghur genocide Okay, this not only convinced me you are 100% a dupe but also are arguing in blatant bad faith, with your arguments being disingenuous. There's no way for someone to hold the view that physical destruction and displacement (what Israel is doing to Palestinians) somehow does NOT amount to genocide, but various forms of cultural repression DO amount to genocide. Those are inherently contradicting views and impossible to hold honestly. If there are 'levels' of 'harm' that constitute genocide, anything the Chinese state does to any ethnic minority, often bad, is also experienced by Palestinians under Israel, often worst. It's possible for one to think BOTH Palestinians and Uyghurs face genocide or that NEITHER face genocide. But if one believes these two groups are facing different experiences, then the merits of each experience must be evaluated, and there's no objective reality where cultural policies like mandatory lingua franca in schools or the de-Arabization of buildings (as being done in China), though repressive, can be defined as constituting more harm to a people than that of literal intentional starvation, sexual assault as a form of punishment, attempted ethnic cleansing, apartheid systems, and carpet bombing that kills people in the range of tens of thousands. Your contradicting beliefs exemplify why Biden's foreign policy has been shaky amongst progressives despite liberal attempts to paint Biden as a dove ("he pulled us out of Afghanistan!", "he ended the drone war!", etc. - all commendable). Because US hegemony and its goals are at odds with coherent human rights policy. No progressive buys the State Department when they call for sanctions on Chinese goods because they view Chinese labor policies as forced labor, but then say that neither they nor Biden see any reason to end unconditional military aid to Israel because 30,000 people killed is an example of "Israel showing tactical restraint". US support for Israel disqualifies the validity to speak on human rights of any and every state figure who unconditionally supports war crimes. Of course foreign policy is not largely influential to the average America, but that's why we're here. Why this is a conversations. Because Biden is such a weak candidate that his past margins of victory are so thin and that his 2020 win came off the back of mass organizing not by the DNC but young progressive orgs and activists. Those groups who actually get your average voter to the polls and for who things like American foreign policy really, really matter. Good luck winning without then. 8
Pheromosa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 hours ago, playboi said: im not american but at some point you need to put yourself first, if both candidates want to wage war i'm voting for the that wouldn't ALSO want my death in my OWN country, sorry not sorry and then you have the other non americans that want Trump to win just because they want us to suffer/end up worse than them. It's sick
Jon Snow Posted January 24 Posted January 24 11 hours ago, Pheromosa said: don't waste your breath. some people think everyone deserves to suffer due to whats happening in Palestine Do you guys know how much of the world suffers because of the USA? Every day. Your money pays that. Palestine is just the biggest example. You pay Israeli government to kill babies. You go on with your lives like it's okay. USA is bad as much as Israel if not worst. And it is better for the world that Biden wins the elections and I hope he will, but he's just the lesser evil. You guys need to change. USA is not a democracy, it's an elitist oligarchy. You should be able to see that. The government is full of old senile people. As I have said, I hope Biden wins, because it's a little bit better for the world than that maniac, but you all should suffer because you vote for people who f***ing give your money to fund the murder of babies. It is not just for you to live happily if those people don't get to live at all. Millions don't have access to water, and are hungry. You can change it, but you don't. Your government funds wars and genocides, and supports dictators, just so you can have your economy and resources and sh*t. Resources that you took from poor countries, from hungry and thirsty people. Maybe you do deserve to suffer. 4 2
St. Charles Posted January 24 Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, Pheromosa said: and then you have the other non americans that want Trump to win just because they want us to suffer/end up worse than them. It's sick Yes, see the above
Jon Snow Posted January 24 Posted January 24 You guys have to know that the Trump is not the reason for the bad things that are happening to USA. He's the consequence. If there's no Trump, there would be another. You should all know better. The rest of the world has no rights for marginalized groups, so it's not excuse for you to protect them so babies can be killed. You are privileged ones and all you care for is your own benefit And thank you to those who see and are challenging the status quo. You understand that it would be worse for you, but you stand for what is right, and the world should be forever grateful I hope that you get to live in a better country 8
Pheromosa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, St. Charles said: Yes, see the above that took no time at all 2
Jon Snow Posted January 24 Posted January 24 9 hours ago, dawnettakins said: I'm so sick of the constant fearmongering about everyone's rights being stripped away if we don't vote D. Well guess what? People did, and we do, and Roe v Wade STILL got dismantled and women's rights were taken away. Just one example, but plenty of others of people's rights being stripped away in this country. And what are Dems doing about it? Abslutely NOTHING. As is usually the case. They love to campaign on it and make promises and constantly fearmonger, then do absolutely nothing about any of it once in office. (At a federal level) 9 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Dems have literally not evolved at all in almost a decade now. It's just the same finger-pointing, blame shifting, and Trump fearmongering. 5 hours ago, brraap said: For the people in here saying they they would vote Biden for their “freedom”. Your freedom is an illusion. We are in late stage capitalism and if you don’t open your eyes now then what’s the point. You have a lot more in common with the citizens of Gaza than you think These politicians like Biden and Trump do not care about you. They care about capital. They are not protecting your interests. Now it’s a matter of deciding whose the least dangerous between the two 2 hours ago, loliza said: Are u gay? Imagine if we all thought like you, no gay rights was ever gonna be achieved cuz **** who cares, the other population could have had us as slaves to kill when they wanted. They were safe, that’s the important I support all of this. It's important to acknowledge that it's the Democrats who made Trump possible. He won against Hilary for a reason, and Democrats should've listened to what the message from the people was. Representatives work for you, and you shouldn't support them just cause they're less bad. You should hold them accountable and demand change. If they don't listen to those who vote for them, they don't deserve the votes. Even if Biden wins now, freedom and rights won't get better. They'll continue to go down. Guess why? Because those people you voted for don't need those rights. They have all the rights they want and could get
Armani? Posted January 24 Posted January 24 11 hours ago, Machete said: "Four more years of genocide" I am convinced "leftist" Americans think they live in a fantasy USA where there are more than two options for President. They desperately need to wake up and realize the next President WILL be Biden or Trump, who are both pro-Israel. None of their "symbolic" protest third-party or absentee votes will change that. So it is time to move-on from the "Genocide supporter angle" and consider other important topics... Except it isn't even just leftists angry at Joe Biden committing genocide. You keep that in mind as he tanks every poll against Trump 1
If U Seek Amy Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Jon Snow said: Do you guys know how much of the world suffers because of the USA? Every day. Your money pays that. Palestine is just the biggest example. You pay Israeli government to kill babies. You go on with your lives like it's okay. USA is bad as much as Israel if not worst. And it is better for the world that Biden wins the elections and I hope he will, but he's just the lesser evil. You guys need to change. USA is not a democracy, it's an elitist oligarchy. You should be able to see that. The government is full of old senile people. As I have said, I hope Biden wins, because it's a little bit better for the world than that maniac, but you all should suffer because you vote for people who f***ing give your money to fund the murder of babies. It is not just for you to live happily if those people don't get to live at all. Millions don't have access to water, and are hungry. You can change it, but you don't. Your government funds wars and genocides, and supports dictators, just so you can have your economy and resources and sh*t. Resources that you took from poor countries, from hungry and thirsty people. Maybe you do deserve to suffer. This is disturbing extremism. You are wishing harm upon millions of innocent people with no power to do anything just trying to survive with no control of where they were born or what is going on. They try their best to change the system however they deem best, but everyone has different ideas of how to do this and it isn’t so simple as banding together and just fixing the country in mass. I get you’re upset but generalizing Americans as deserving of harm for what they have all done is so… awful. You can even observe Americans here who are sympathetic to many causes and are desperate for the world to be better. They only have so much power. Should they just suffer and die because this happens? They need basics to live and shouldn’t live an awful life simply because bad things happen. There will always be bad and good people everywhere. Don’t view all humans as simply nasty for the actions of some. Take a break from the internet because this is truly a disturbing post and it is clear it is detrimental to your mental health please. 1 5 2
Sombre Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Shameful how democrats' allegiance to Genocide Joe Biden seems to override any flicker of empathy for innocent lives lost. It's quite shocking how so many of you willingly prioritize political allegiance over human suffering. A bunch of sheep. 4 2
fememeist Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 hours ago, St. Charles said: Yes, see the above They said they want Joe to win and you comprehended that as non Americans want Trump to win? 1 3
St. Charles Posted January 24 Posted January 24 17 minutes ago, fememeist said: They said they want Joe to win and you comprehended that as non Americans want Trump to win? The original post said “People want everyone to suffer because of Palestine” and that person was referring to Trump winning. The post which quoted it said “Maybe you do deserve to suffer.” So the post read like “Yeah sure Biden should win, but maybe y’all deserve what’s coming to you.” If that’s not what they meant then I apologize to that user, but it’s not a stretch to interpret it this way imo.
besaid Posted January 24 Posted January 24 9 hours ago, WildHeart said: Did you ever hear about war crimes? A war doesn't give an excuse to country to target civilians tf The only civilians that have been "targeted" in this war are the 1400 dead Israelis on 10/7. 1 9
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