i spit on haters Posted January 15 Posted January 15 21 hours ago, readytowind said: His idol was diana ross. Who I still firmly believe had sexual relations with Michael while he was still underage and very much a teen. And if this biopic isn't going to depict MJ as the monster he was, then keep it. 2 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted January 15 ATRL Moderator Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, Armani? said: R. Kelly literally "married" underrage Aaliyah so I don't know how it he got a pass in the 1st place And he also had a sex tape in circulation of him "performing" with an alleged 13-year old girl. People still defended him. Arguably, the most ironclad example of evidence was available to prevent R. Kelly from harming more women and girls and yet the criminal justice system, with a longstanding penchant for defending the rich and powerful, declared "not guilty". So, I find it ridiculous to then say that the several pieces of concordant evidence (e.g., the allegations themselves, one of the children in these allegations being able to accurately draw the vitiligo patterns on Jackson's p*nis, his pornographic books next to his bed with fingerprints of him and the boys) are suddenly dismissed because... some golden goose of evidence isn't provided? Would that be a sex tape? Because (1) that's illegal to even film so asking anyone to film a sex tape with a child is a horrible and illegal expectation and (2) that wasn't enough to find R. Kelly to be guilty. 8
Armani? Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 (edited) 59 minutes ago, i spit on haters said: Who I still firmly believe had sexual relations with Michael while he was still underage and very much a teen. And if this biopic isn't going to depict MJ as the monster he was, then keep it. Diana was too busy messing with Berry Gordy & Smokey Robinson plz MJ just had a crush on her since a little kid. I don't think anything has came out vaguely suggesting they did anything sexually with one another when he was a kid I've seen some speculative tea around the Wiz film shooting year but that's it. But he was like 19/20 years old then @i spit on haters Edited January 15 by Armani?
Armani? Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 33 minutes ago, Bloo said: And he also had a sex tape in circulation of him "performing" with an alleged 13-year old girl. People still defended him. Arguably, the most ironclad example of evidence was available to prevent R. Kelly from harming more women and girls and yet the criminal justice system, with a longstanding penchant for defending the rich and powerful, declared "not guilty". So, I find it ridiculous to then say that the several pieces of concordant evidence (e.g., the allegations themselves, one of the children in these allegations being able to accurately draw the vitiligo patterns on Jackson's p*nis, his *****graphic books next to his bed with fingerprints of him and the boys) are suddenly dismissed because... some golden goose of evidence isn't provided? Would that be a sex tape? Because (1) that's illegal to even film so asking anyone to film a sex tape with a child is a horrible and illegal expectation and (2) that wasn't enough to find R. Kelly to be guilty. That evidence is definitely enough to depict him in the movie as a wierdo with children which I do expect is shown at least but it's not in the realm as R Kelly to just blatantly depict him as a pedophile monster. Those are my thoughts Like I expect to see scenes of his team criticizing him for sleeping with kids etc (even though it'll show nothing happened in bed/him denying he did anything sexual etc) @Bloo
Armani? Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 20 hours ago, MadOnHer said: They're promising an "honest portrayal" with MJ being played by his nephew and the film being produced by the two executors of his estate! How does his nephew playing Michael make it less honest? Lol
MadOnHer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Armani? said: How does his nephew playing Michael make it less honest? Lol Well it's not likely to be very objective, is it? 2
readytowind Posted January 15 Posted January 15 4 hours ago, i spit on haters said: Who I still firmly believe had sexual relations with Michael while he was still underage and very much a teen. And if this biopic isn't going to depict MJ as the monster he was, then keep it. Nah Michael was a closeted gay who happened to like young boys. Their sexual bond was non existent. Diana was just his idol. Just like gays stanning and worshiping other female singers. 3
readytowind Posted January 15 Posted January 15 5 hours ago, IsidoraMarí said: It's a baby they aren't hard to hold. People throw babies in the air all the time, far more dangerous than holding the baby. Like where did he ever almost drop Prince? Girl, you tried too hard but it ain't that.
DamianSolo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I really wonder if this is even necessary. Aren't there a couple of biopics out there already? I'd watch it, but a potential included soundtrack doesn't even interest me—unless the songs were reworked à la Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody's soundtrack.
holyground13 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/14/2024 at 10:25 PM, MatiRod said: This will be one of the most controversial films of all time It'll definitely be controversial and honestly, if they knew what was good for them they'd be better off leaving his legacy alone.
Armani? Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 1 hour ago, readytowind said: Nah Michael was a closeted gay who happened to like young boys. Their sexual bond was non existent. Diana was just his idol. Just like gays stanning and worshiping other female singers. Umm... he was rumored to have had sex with Diana Ross though in 1977. While filming The Wiz, Diana & him were late going to set one morning because they were out partying the night before & Diana slept at his apartment. But apparently once Diana & MJ got to set allegedly she told someone or some of her friends that Michael definitely wasn't gay. But when their assistants asked both of them if anything had happened, they acted cheeky & ambiguous about it. Diana told them to ask MJ & MJ said to ask Diana. And no, MJ's admiration of Diana was definitely not "gay". He didn't even attend Diana's wedding because he was jealous & upset. Pretty sure this is in MJ's book he wrote himself. 1
IsidoraMarí Posted January 15 Posted January 15 6 hours ago, Mariya Takeuchi said: I don't see where he almost dropped him. I see him holding the baby and showing his adoring fans his child... 1 2 2
madollaqueen Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Armani? said: Umm... he was rumored to have had sex with Diana Ross though in 1977. While filming The Wiz, Diana & him were late going to set one morning because they were out partying the night before & Diana slept at his apartment. But apparently once Diana & MJ got to set allegedly she told someone or some of her friends that Michael definitely wasn't gay. But when their assistants asked both of them if anything had happened, they acted cheeky & ambiguous about it. Diana told them to ask MJ & MJ said to ask Diana. And no, MJ's admiration of Diana was definitely not "gay". He didn't even attend Diana's wedding because he was jealous & upset. Pretty sure this is in MJ's book he wrote himself. Only liking young boys are already so gay. It can't get any gayer than that. But pedo is tragic.
madollaqueen Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 43 minutes ago, IsidoraMarí said: I don't see where he almost dropped him. I see him holding the baby and showing his adoring fans his child... That behavior is already too dangerous and wacky for a little baby. No mom would do that. Don't justify him. Edited January 16 by madollaqueen
IsidoraMarí Posted January 16 Posted January 16 21 minutes ago, madollaqueen said: That behavior is already too dangerous and wacky for a little baby. No mom would do that. Don't justify him. Right... But How Many FATHERS do this and way more than this... It's only bizarre because it's Michael. Michael is bizarre and he's an easy target. 2
ICLDXU4HS Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) I hope a fearless auteur with a strong moral compass and clarity one day makes a horror version from a victim‘s perspective. Ari Aster or Todd Solondz would be my pick! Edited January 16 by ICLDXU4HS 2
Armani? Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 1 hour ago, madollaqueen said: Only liking young boys are already so gay. It can't get any gayer than that. But pedo is tragic. MJ was actually formally dating Stephanie Mills around that time as well although it's confirmed by Stephanie they didn't have regular sex, they only kissed, MJ may have also gave her oral sex but Stephanie was kind of ambiguous here on purpose. The Diana thing could have just been a one night stand at the time if it's true but it would be kinda messy if MJ got some punani from Diana some random night when he was actually dating Stephanie lmao But MJ continued to crush on Diana for years after The Wiz era & his childhood prior. Stephanie was never a hold on MJ like Diana was.
Armani? Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 2 hours ago, DamianSolo said: I really wonder if this is even necessary. Aren't there a couple of biopics out there already? I'd watch it, but a potential included soundtrack doesn't even interest me—unless the songs were reworked à la Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody's soundtrack. Yes, the last good MJ biopic was 30 years ago and was a television series actually much more centered on the Jackson 5.
Armani? Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 3 hours ago, readytowind said: Nah Michael was a closeted gay who happened to like young boys. Their sexual bond was non existent. Diana was just his idol. Just like gays stanning and worshiping other female singers. More tea of relationships he's had. Although this one was clipped immediately by his management. The girl from the The Way You Make Me Feel video
DamianSolo Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Armani? said: Yes, the last good MJ biopic was 30 years ago and was a television series actually much more centered on the Jackson 5. I just hope it ends somewhat on a positive and uplifting note, again, similar to Whitney's biopic. He was marred in controversy in his later years, which there's no escaping that and it needs to be dealt with head-on, but I hope that's not the focus of it. I'd want it to be a legitimate celebration of his life and accomplishments. I just wonder if there's new insights for them to share, such as who Michael truly was as a person, away from the flashing lights and cameras. We often hear anecdotes from other celebrities and such, about how Michael was in person. I hope the film captures more of that—more intimately than a documentary ever could. I want it to be worth it for them to make, basically, just not a rehash of one that may have come before.
MattieB Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 16 hours ago, Bloo said: "Not guilty" is not the same thing as innocent. Additionally, it's a bit ridiculous to say people who were abused as children have to provide rock solid proof to be taken seriously. Especially when their alleged abuser has been confirmed to have been sharing a bed with children, having sleepovers with children, owning a book with images of nude children (which his defenders say is an "art book"), wire traps to ring bells when anyone approaches his bedroom, among other things. You couple that with simple facts that one of Michael Jackson's staff testified that they saw him shower with a boy that would defend him during the trial only to come out later and allege that he was a victim of sexual abuse at the hand of Michael Jackson. Why would the staff member be able to identify a child that would later grow up to make that allegation? Regardless, Michael Jackson's actions that can be verified via the public record is textbook groomer behavior. You're free to not believe it, but it's dangerous to set a precedent that child sexual abuse victims need to provide proof to be taken seriously. That precedent and standard only helps abusers. It's a bit silly to claim a "majority" of any population without referring to hard numbers. But, even if you are correct, that doesn't make the allegations less damning. I remember Black folk giving R. Kelly a pass for years after the allegations first started coming out. Much of the defense claimed to be "defending a successful Black man the system wants to take down" even though most of his victims were Black women and Black girls. Did you read what i wrote, or you just glossed over everything i said. The majority as in more black folks agree he's innocent. If you're not black theres no way in hell you can tell, the entirety of africa never even stopped playing his music. He's universally revered again I'm not going to waste my time arguing his innocence when the fbi (who had every reason to take him to prison) couldn't find a lick of evidence incriminating him, but you mr john doe on atrl is convinced he was a pedophile when Jordan's dad is on tape proclaiming they're going to destroy him and take him down. FOH This is how false accusations start, those of you who are quick to take the side of the victim regardless if the accused is guilty or not are extremely dangerous. Rape and pedo accusations ruin lives. Wade and James have been debunked several times, all yall have to go on is that the man was weird, the book conversation is tired as well, and he owed thousands of books. Lots of art depicts cherubs as nude, they even found dirty magazines of women in his collection It seems to me yall are so hellbent on his guilty stance, you'd ignore the whole ass fbi raiding his entire house for days Also wire traps approaching his room? this was Michael Jackson, he had every reason to be paranoid, especially after the first accusation by Jordan in the 90s I'm not even here to change your minds (nor do i give a rats ass tbh), he got the favor of the world back Also, side note, a majority of people (black) were not on Kelly's side, it was a vocal minority, especially the ones that grew up to his music Edited January 16 by MattieB 4
MattieB Posted January 16 Posted January 16 6 hours ago, DamianSolo said: I just hope it ends somewhat on a positive and uplifting note, again, similar to Whitney's biopic. He was marred in controversy in his later years, which there's no escaping that and it needs to be dealt with head-on, but I hope that's not the focus of it. I'd want it to be a legitimate celebration of his life and accomplishments. I just wonder if there's new insights for them to share, such as who Michael truly was as a person, away from the flashing lights and cameras. We often hear anecdotes from other celebrities and such, about how Michael was in person. I hope the film captures more of that—more intimately than a documentary ever could. I want it to be worth it for them to make, basically, just not a rehash of one that may have come before. I wish they'd focus more on his philanthropy, mj visited more children hospitals than any celebrity alive
MattieB Posted January 16 Posted January 16 What even gets me about this whole situation is that a whole lot of your faves claim to be inspired by MJ, some even going far to dress up like him Why dont yall stop stanning them, i mean.... wont they be classified as pedo sympathizers? 1
Daddy Posted January 16 Posted January 16 This dude ****** children. I hope this flops and everyone involved gets what they deserve for making this happening. 1
Daddy Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, MattieB said: I wish they'd focus more on his philanthropy, mj visited more children hospitals than any celebrity alive We can tell. 5
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