Zefierce Posted January 15 Posted January 15 17 hours ago, Tropical said: The main point in this debacle will always simply be he was the one that was married and so all blame put on ending / ruining / troubling his marriage is entirely on him. Every day I could cheat on my partner with someone and if I did, it would be entirely my fault, not whatever hussy I decide to get with. If you are married, only the married couple have made solemn vows. Y'all are implicating Ariana purely out of fickle stan-war / gossipy reasons, and out of misogyny. "She seduced him!" A man would never be treated the same. I think its misogyny to pretend that women aren't capable making reasonable, smart, or ethical choices when it comes to not getting involved with men in relationships. I think its misogyny to label yourself a feminist while having a history of backstabbing women and spreading your legs to their boyfriends/husbands. I think its misogyny to think women should be blameless for something that requires two participants. 6 8 1
Bubble Tea Posted January 15 Posted January 15 5 hours ago, Zefierce said: I think its misogyny to pretend that women aren't capable making reasonable, smart, or ethical choices when it comes to not getting involved with men in relationships. I think its misogyny to label yourself a feminist while having a history of backstabbing women and spreading your legs to their boyfriends/husbands. I think its misogyny to think women should be blameless for something that requires two participants. You think it's a sign I HATE woman (what misogyny is) because I think Ariana isn't to blame for a man choosing to end his marriage to be with her? Okay hunny 4 1
Yayo94 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 She’s Ariana Grande. He’s SpongeBob. The power dynamics are out of control here, that’s the problem
Raiden Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/14/2024 at 10:53 PM, Tropical said: The main point in this debacle will always simply be he was the one that was married and so all blame put on ending / ruining / troubling his marriage is entirely on him. Every day I could cheat on my partner with someone and if I did, it would be entirely my fault, not whatever hussy I decide to get with. If you are married, only the married couple have made solemn vows. Y'all are implicating Ariana purely out of fickle stan-war / gossipy reasons, and out of misogyny. "She seduced him!" A man would never be treated the same. Blame is not a cookie that "must" be assigned or divided — it's not a zero-sum game. There is enough of it to go around: the guy is 100% to blame for what he did to his now ex. But at the same time Ariana is 100% to blamefor playing the "other woman" part and ruining the relationship. 2
Galah Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Idk if it's intentional or Streisand effect, but it seems like there's been even more debate about this subject since the release of her new single. Like it kinda felt like people were starting to forget and move on a biT and now it's all anyone's talking about again? I said it upon first listen and I'm gonna say it again: this is more of an admission of guilt than anything. She's not trying to change the narrative or shrug it off, she's literally saying, "yes, and?" i.e. "Yes, I'm a homewrecker, and what are you gonna do about it?" Whether that is a message that resonates is up to the individual I guess. I don't agree with the message, which is a pity because the song has really grown on me. Maybe I'll get the instrumental version and bop out to that instead.
Sugar-Rush Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/12/2024 at 12:06 AM, Jay07 said: You realize by the same token, people would say we deserve to burn in hell for sucking dick? I don't know the full story and I'm not a judge. Let God or whatever judge her. I'm not seeing the correlation. What does being a homewrecker have to do with being gay, or religion for that matter? 1
Dan81 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) Ariana is one of the most talented artists in music. I was going through her catalogue yesterday and the amount of BOPs she has is incredible. Her voice and songwriting and homewrecking skills are out of this world. If she could stay out of other people's marriages she definitely would be the new queen of pop. Edited January 17 by Dan81
suburbannature Posted January 17 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Dan81 said: Ariana is one of the most talented artists in music. I was going through her catalogue yesterday and the amount of BOPs she has is incredible. Her voice and songwriting and homewrecking skills are out of this world. If she could stay out of other people's marriages she definitely would be the new queen of pop. I love her, but songwriting skills? 1 1 3
rac7d Posted January 17 Posted January 17 On 1/14/2024 at 4:53 PM, Tropical said: The main point in this debacle will always simply be he was the one that was married and so all blame put on ending / ruining / troubling his marriage is entirely on him. Every day I could cheat on my partner with someone and if I did, it would be entirely my fault, not whatever hussy I decide to get with. If you are married, only the married couple have made solemn vows. Y'all are implicating Ariana purely out of fickle stan-war / gossipy reasons, and out of misogyny. "She seduced him!" A man would never be treated the same. A woman is exempt when she doesn’t know. Ariana knows and doesn’t care. Girls who date cheaters get cheated on later it’s dumb as hell. Anyway this will come back to bite her when the movie comes out and everyone realizes their costars. It will be clearer to the public what happened
hungrymuffin Posted January 17 Posted January 17 that one ariola stan coping so hard always typing nonsense essays she truly has a nasty personality and doesnt even have the empathy for the wife and kid and acknowledge her mistake 3 1 1
Zefierce Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Ariana really thought she was this empowering feminist icon when she released this song. Just imagine what the wife felt when she heard Ariana singing “Why do you care who’s d I ride?… why?” 2
#Beautiful Posted January 18 Posted January 18 On 1/14/2024 at 11:53 PM, Tropical said: The main point in this debacle will always simply be he was the one that was married do people genuinely forget that she was married as well and that she paid the now ex husband ONE MILLION DOLLARS in exchange for his silence or? 2
spiritboy Posted January 18 Posted January 18 While i agree that it takes two to cheat and men should be equally blamed, Ariana had the choice to wait after Ethan finalized his divorce. It would’ve been a much cleaner slate for both of them.
rac7d Posted January 19 Posted January 19 On 1/12/2024 at 3:37 AM, Love Again said: Wrdgaf if you was a real motherfucker you would just be here for the music, we dont know these celebrities personally we have no relationship with them, what they do in their private lives is NONE of our business. You are not entitled to have an opinion on how she behaves in private. You are a consumer of her music act like it and eat your goddamn food
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