liquiddiamonds Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) We don’t usually see black mainstream artists openly criticizing religion. They’re not platformed, mostly are alternative. It is true. What he’s doing is in the same lane as Madge and Gags, but obviously from a different place. At the same time he does take notes from white artists. Cute reminder he brought Rosalia’s El Mal Querer designer for his Montero artwork. The thing is that he himself already did the religion imagery more subtly in Montero and Doja just came out with demon imagery for Scarlet. It feels redundant and he’s becoming aware of it. Then Twitter/X started to pull receipts about FKA Twigs, members of her team working for him and it became clear she’s been a reference for a while for him… As a I said before he better pray the song is a banger just like Doja’s were, because the backlash is coming from inside the house. He always has a surprise factor and the potential to wow with his videos, so I don’t think it’s DOA as some are pointing Edited January 10 by liquiddiamonds 5
Frappucino Posted January 10 Posted January 10 What he said was mid compared to when Gaga said she’s different than Madonna because Gaga actually writes and produces her own songs 1
i spit on haters Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Digitalism said: TBH the drama only kinda worked for Madonna and not so much. And it kinda killed Gaga's career at the time. So he shouldn't care about them. But he is flopping big time, there's no doubt about it. The other girls at least had good music to go along with the gimmicks I don't follow sales but wasn't his last era and album a success ? I recall him winning a grammy, too, if I remember correctly.
brenda-walsh Posted January 10 Posted January 10 i'm sorry but what about Judas or Roman Holiday have class or substance to them? LOL as far as i know Madonna is the only of the three who actually grew up religious which is why it was a major trend throughout all of her work, and not just one or two songs looking to court controversy 3 1 11
K@rm@ Posted January 10 Posted January 10 42 minutes ago, pisuke said: People comparing Judas to Like A Prayer No wonder mainstream pop music sucks nowadays... the level of IGNORANCE. And about this Montero guy... whatever you do honey, it was most likely done by Madonna and done better, wether intentional or not. She is THAT. Thank you!! I though my I was tripping no one remembers Judas it made no noise it’s a forgotten single. Even Nicki’s Roman Grammy performance had more attention. 1 2 6
Frappucino Posted January 10 Posted January 10 25 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said: Nah we're not gonna do all of that Gaga and Madonna, both Italian, born and raised Catholic, were coming from a place of genuine EXPERIENCE. They were exploring their relationship to the system of Catholicism AS THEY KNEW IT. The only thing "controversial" about it was that women were never allowed to criticize the religion that crushes women both in body and spirit. There was SUBSTANCE. There was a MESSAGE. It wasn't just about slapping a Lisa Frank colour palette over christian imagery. This could be the same situation for Lil Nas X, but he's missing the point and not paying respect to two of the women who not only paved the way, but stood up for his gay ass when the rest of the world and the other pop girlies were too scared to lift a finger for equality. That’s the point tho, he’s speaking from his own experience just like Madonna and Gaga did. I mean back then Gaga used to have to put up with the Madonna comparisons for every music video she put out. Imagine how exhausting it must be to put out your own work only to have it compared to someone else again and again. You guys are actually continuing the same cycle and putting Nas what Gaga went thru. Makes no sense 4 1 1
Nutitle Posted January 10 Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said: He tweets like he’s trying to get a hit thread in base He was an ATRLer after all
Josh Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, Frappucino said: That’s the point tho, he’s speaking from his own experience just like Madonna and Gaga did. I mean back then Gaga used to have to put up with the Madonna comparisons for every music video she put out. Imagine how exhausting it must be to put out your own work only to have it compared to someone else again and again. You guys are actually continuing the same cycle and putting Nas what Gaga went thru. Makes no sense but Gaga actually put out quality back then, Nas has never put out quality and hes acting like they're beneath him. 3 2
Cameltoe Chariot Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, brenda-walsh said: i'm sorry but what about Judas or Roman Holiday have class or substance to them? LOL as far as i know Madonna is the only of the three who actually grew up religious which is why it was a major trend throughout all of her work, and not just one or two songs looking to court controversy Here's a photo of Gaga at her first communion:
McNulty Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Both Gaga and Madonna made these songs to gain attention and cause controversy so I don't see the problem in what's he doing. Going against religion isn't exclusive to Madonna, it has been a thing for centuries 2 1 1
Elusive Chanteuse Posted January 10 Posted January 10 He’s young so I suppose it makes sense he doesn’t care
Illuminati Posted January 10 Posted January 10 He is right like the fans always talk about how many doors Madonna and other artists opened for the younger generation and then the moment they do something similar the alleged door becomes a wall 7 1
Archetype Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I think he’s trying to say that he’s paving his own lane and he doesn’t care if he is subconsciously inspired by legends, he’s just doing what feels right to him. He’s not going to say “I watched a lot of Madonna and Gaga videos before making this”. However, he worded this horribly. 1
Bimbo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 You used to be a chronically online pop girl troll account *** of course you gaf about what they did 12
TheBoss Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I remember when he performed on BET and kisses his dancer in front of the whole rap and black music industry and Madonna came out the next day and said she already had did that at VMAs 1
Josh Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Archetype said: I think he’s trying to say that he’s paving his own lane and he doesn’t care if he is subconsciously inspired by legends, he’s just doing what feels right to him. He’s not going to say “I watched a lot of Madonna and Gaga videos before making this”. However, he worded this horribly. But everything he's doing in his "lane" is thanks to women like Madonna and Gaga.
blackoutbaby Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Ummm he needs to put respect on their names since they invented gay men 1 1 1
Josh Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, TheBoss said: I remember when he performed on BET and kisses his dancer in front of the whole rap and black music industry and Madonna came out the next day and said she already had did that at VMAs didn't Adam Lambert get cancelled by the GP for doing the same damn thing at another award show?
Frappucino Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Josh said: but Gaga actually put out quality back then, Nas has never put out quality and hes acting like they're beneath him. I enjoy Gaga waaaay more than Nas but this is so… vague, wym quality? Back then the more “weird” she got the more she got shat on, especially around Judas. Everyone wanted the “fun” Gaga back, and then she tried bringing that back with ARTPOP and look how that went.
State of Grace. Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I think he does have a point though. We all cheered for them doing it so why is it a problem for him I understand that these topics don't generate as much buzz and controversy anymore, but people are still talking and the conservatives are still gonna come for him. Plus, we haven't really had a black gay artist doing it before and his experience is different from your average pop girl. Just let him have his moment I say? Maybe the wording is a bit messy, but why are we forgetting that he's literally a former ATRLer/stan twitter user 4
Josh Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Frappucino said: I enjoy Gaga waaaay more than Nas but this is so… vague, wym quality? Back then the more “weird” she got the more she got shat on, especially around Judas. Everyone wanted the “fun” Gaga back, and then she tried bringing that back with ARTPOP and look how that went. Quality music, even as she got weird she was still putting out quality pop songs like Sexxx Dreams
Raptus Posted January 10 Posted January 10 While Like a Prayer is still iconic and relevant after 30 years no one will GAF about this looser 3 decades from now
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