State of Grace. Posted January 5 Posted January 5 uh oh the Biden & Dems bootlicker is here, lemme run 2
Letemtalk Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 1/5/2024 at 2:50 AM, PillowCase said: “We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.” Trump win a second term, he said he wants to reintroduce and expand his Muslim ban, which prohibited U.S. entry of people from seven Muslim-majority countries. Given the choice of; 1. Bombs falling on Muslim (and Palestinian Christian), men, women, children, doctors, journalists, churches, mosques, hospitals, schools, homes, and refugee camps. 22,438+ killed, 57,614+ wounded, 7,000+ missing so far and almost the entire 2.3 million population of Gaza has been displaced. 2. Risk of another Muslim travel ban that in 2017, affected 90,000 people, according to the Washington Post. Personally I think #1 is much worse and those numbers are going to keep rising. Of course Americans think that a risk of #2 is worse, because Americans don't care about bombs falling on children, but they think electing Trump again makes them look bad. Guess what, supporting a genocide makes you look bad. 2 1
suburbannature Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Look, I'm all for replacing Biden with a better option but there needs to be an actual plan first. We don't need the political version of Succession because no one could map out the right candidate to lead the progressive/left-wing cause. 4
playboi Posted January 5 Posted January 5 no impact + Trump's bigotry aligns more with the values of Islam so i'm surprised they weren't voting for him in the first place 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 38 minutes ago, Gaia said: This won’t have much of an impact overall 2 minutes ago, playboi said: no impact + Trump's bigotry aligns more with the values of Islam so i'm surprised they weren't voting for him in the first place Will the fallout among young voters, Hispanic voters, Black voters, and Arab Americans more broadly also have no impact on Biden?
ATRL Moderator feelslikeadream Posted January 5 ATRL Moderator Posted January 5 Dems are never getting a progressive candidate unless Biden loses this year (and it helps if voters soundly reject whatever centrist they push in 2028, making the message clearer). Thinking of a Republican president for 4-8 years is terrible, but it also seems terrible to keep letting the DNC get away with pushing conservative Dem candidates knowing Dem voters will go with ~the lesser of two evils~. Unfortunately, y'all Americans are dealing with a terrible situation all around and there's no simple answer, as some of you in this thread seem to think 1 1
byzantium Posted January 5 Posted January 5 I don’t understand why they would have an issue with Biden other than his unconditional support of genocide against Muslims in Gaza. 2 1
Phaunzie Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 1/4/2024 at 4:42 PM, Cameltoe Chariot said: Leave it to Americans to hand their nation over to fascists willingly because of conflict in a foreign country! You mean like the evangelicals (Biden included) running the country sending billions to Israel to ethical cleanse a nation. The same nation that have been sending soliders, nukes, and weapons of mass destruction to Israel ever since it's conception. Thank God, the UN didn't allow Israel to be located in Africa, they would be more successful South Africa. I'm sorry, AMERICANs should be the ones most concern of the future ramifications of their current and past government's dealing in the middle east. I know you thought you did something, but sweetheart open a book and do your research. I'm not even from the US, and still have a grasp of US foreign policy. Here is a video for those that don't like to read.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 1/5/2024 at 9:01 AM, feelslikeadream said: Dems are never getting a progressive candidate unless Biden loses this year (and it helps if voters soundly reject whatever centrist they push in 2028, making the message clearer). Thinking of a Republican president for 4-8 years is terrible, but it also seems terrible to keep letting the DNC get away with pushing conservative Dem candidates knowing Dem voters will go with ~the lesser of two evils~. Unfortunately, y'all Americans are dealing with a terrible situation all around and there's no simple answer, as some of you in this thread seem to think Liberals unironically think Biden's problem with re-election is that he's extended too many olive branches to leftist radicals and alienated "the reasonable centrists." That will NOT be the outcome of a Biden loss. They will just move more to the right, just like they did when they flocked to Biden after Hillary lost.
anti-bitch Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) On 1/5/2024 at 5:56 AM, Letemtalk said: Given the choice of; 1. Bombs falling on Muslim (and Palestinian Christian), men, women, children, doctors, journalists, churches, mosques, hospitals, schools, homes, and refugee camps. 22,438+ killed, 57,614+ wounded, 7,000+ missing so far and almost the entire 2.3 million population of Gaza has been displaced. 2. Risk of another Muslim travel ban that in 2017, affected 90,000 people, according to the Washington Post. Personally I think #1 is much worse and those numbers are going to keep rising. Of course Americans think that a risk of #2 is worse, because Americans don't care about bombs falling on children, but they think electing Trump again makes them look bad. Guess what, supporting a genocide makes you look bad. But Trump would go even harder on Palestine!! So idk what you're talking about? You made it sound like there's a choice but Trump combines the #1 and #2 points in your post, maybe even worse on the #1. I get not wanting to vote for Biden, but if people have any standards don't vote for Trump either. Otherwise it's just hypocrisy. Edited January 7 by anti-bitch 3
Communion Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 hours ago, anti-***** said: don't vote for Trump either The vast majority of disaffected Arab and Muslim voters are not?
anti-bitch Posted January 8 Posted January 8 27 minutes ago, Communion said: The vast majority of disaffected Arab and Muslim voters are not? I meant people like that user I was quoting, and how they argued Trump would be less bad than Biden. Sorry if I misunderstood what they meant, but I don't think there's a genuine choice between options 1 and 2. They both fully back Israel. And it hurts to say it because it should not be this difficult to have a choice for peace. 1
Letemtalk Posted January 8 Posted January 8 4 hours ago, anti-***** said: But Trump would go even harder on Palestine!! So idk what you're talking about? You made it sound like there's a choice but Trump combines the #1 and #2 points in your post, maybe even worse on the #1. I get not wanting to vote for Biden, but if people have any standards don't vote for Trump either. Otherwise it's just hypocrisy. I wish I had a dollar for each "but, but Trump" or "do you condemn Hamas?" I've seen on here. Trump said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, but he just built a small amount of wall and Mexico didn't pay a cent, and he probably won't do half the things he says in his one remaining term. But no one should vote for Trump or Biden. A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. You are telling both parties that you are happy when Americans bombs are falling on children and both parties will take note and do more of the same. People shouldn't turn around and complain when the next Republican president does it, when they were happy when Biden did it and voted to re-elect him. When the choices are that terrible, the goal shouldn't be to vote for what you might think might be the slightly less genocidal presidential candidate, but rather it should be to break the two-party system, so that the party leaders will take note and make real changes. 1 2
anti-bitch Posted January 8 Posted January 8 30 minutes ago, Letemtalk said: I wish I had a dollar for each "but, but Trump" or "do you condemn Hamas?" I've seen on here. Trump said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, but he just built a small amount of wall and Mexico didn't pay a cent, and he probably won't do half the things he says in his one remaining term. But no one should vote for Trump or Biden. A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. You are telling both parties that you are happy when Americans bombs are falling on children and both parties will take note and do more of the same. People shouldn't turn around and complain when the next Republican president does it, when they were happy when Biden did it and voted to re-elect him. When the choices are that terrible, the goal shouldn't be to vote for what you might think might be the slightly less genocidal presidential candidate, but rather it should be to break the two-party system, so that the party leaders will take note and make real changes. I don't disagree with your points in this really. I just wouldn't rely on the idea that Trump won't be able to do half the things he's threatening to do again as that being some kinda redeeming factor for him. And again, that's not advocating for Biden. I wish there were other options on the ticket.
Thor Posted January 8 Posted January 8 One thing has become quite clear about white people, whether it’s white gays, white women or white men, they will NEVER be allies of Black and Brown people. They will ALWAYS uphold white supremacy. They will ALWAYS dismiss and even condone the murder of Black and Brown people as long as their lives remain unaffected in their countries. Just look this thread alone, white people speaking dismissively about Muslims and insinuating that they are stupid for not voting for Genocide Joe, when that man is aiding and abetting a literal genocide being committed by a terrorist, fascist state. Muslims are literally taking a stand against Joe Biden because he is sponsoring a genocide but white people are telling them to be quiet and calling them names. How ******* dare you? If it came to it, these white gays will gladly walk over the graves of Black and Brown children to go their pride parades and brunch, just as long their cushy lives are not inconvenienced. **** their phony allyship and **** Genocide Joe till the end of time. 4 1 1
Eat The Acid Posted January 8 Posted January 8 13 hours ago, Thor said: One thing has become quite clear about white people, whether it’s white gays, white women or white men, they will NEVER be allies of Black and Brown people. They will ALWAYS uphold white supremacy. They will ALWAYS dismiss and even condone the murder of Black and Brown people as long as their lives remain unaffected in their countries. Just look this thread alone, white people speaking dismissively about Muslims and insinuating that they are stupid for not voting for Genocide Joe, when that man is aiding and abetting a literal genocide being committed by a terrorist, fascist state. Muslims are literally taking a stand against Joe Biden because he is sponsoring a genocide but white people are telling them to be quiet and calling them names. How ******* dare you? If it came to it, these white gays will gladly walk over the graves of Black and Brown children to go their pride parades and brunch, just as long their cushy lives are not inconvenienced. **** their phony allyship and **** Genocide Joe till the end of time. I’m white and agree with this 100%. Even having discussions with white people about this is annoying. “Calm down - like everyone’s entitled to their opinion” like no Susan, I will not calm down. The genocide of Palestinians isn’t a dinner table topic - it’s literally happening! Like the connect isn’t there at all. No empathy. And we “must” respect other white people that support the genocide cause every opinion matters /S. Look at Empty Box. He’s genuinely an evil rotten person to the core. He wants us all to vote genocide Joe and pushes the basic disingenuous narrative but “Trump will take away gay rights and abortion”. Well sorry Sally but **** your abortion until you stand up for the literally assassination of a whole ethnicity of people. I’m voting Trump until you know better! 4
GraceRandolph Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 (edited) On 1/4/2024 at 2:03 PM, Cameltoe Chariot said: Not necessarily a responding to you personally, but more the sentiment in your reply that a lot of these people hold regarding Biden: Did this work last time when people "abandoned" Hillary during Trump's first run? It always feels like the American left sits on their asses when Dems hold the office, but the second an election is on the table they throw tantrums and refuse to vote. Obviously the democrat establishment is beyond f*cked but surely there's so much more that can be done when we have a foot in the door versus the chaotic Republicans with Hitler Jr at the head of the table? The American left didn’t sit on their asses. The left is the one who fought for unions, passed ballot initiatives to protect abortion, and did a ton of grassroots organizing locally and for candidates. Edited March 13 by GraceRandolph 2
Gaia Posted March 14 Posted March 14 I don’t really care either way but I do anticipate seeing the same people “sit out” cry about everything Trump does 1
Communion Posted March 14 Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Gaia said: I don’t really care either way but I do anticipate seeing the same people “sit out” cry about everything Trump does Why wouldn't people who understand only Biden can stop Trump by reversing his shift to tje right be upset when Biden inevitably ignores them and causes Trump to win? Do you think it is clever to suggest somehow Trump's win would be on the shoulders of powerless individuals and not the rich politician who was running for office? Do you think such a strategy will convince anyone has feels hopeless to somehow shift to your center-right political alignment?
GraceRandolph Posted April 4 Author Posted April 4 On 1/4/2024 at 7:50 AM, PillowCase said: "We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.” Trump win a second term, he said he wants to reintroduce and expand his Muslim ban, which prohibited U.S. entry of people from seven Muslim-majority countries. On 1/4/2024 at 7:52 AM, ZIVERT said: On 1/4/2024 at 7:54 AM, Reginald said: When their options are either Joe or Donald "Muslim Ban" Trump, it wouldn't be surprising if they sit out this election. What a sad state of things. I hope Democrats can do something to win these people back, but I don't even know what that would entail. On 1/4/2024 at 8:20 AM, fijitears said: So….instead of voting for another democrat, like potential popular candidate, RFK Jr, they'd rather sit out and/or elect someone who straight up hates them. Very smart.. quite literally the expression of cutting off your nose to spite your face On 1/4/2024 at 8:55 AM, Bonicap said: Enjoy another 4 years of Trump I guess On 1/4/2024 at 9:10 AM, SlowGinFizzzz said: Worms for brains etc. On 1/4/2024 at 9:12 AM, truthteller said: well at least the LGBTQ+phobia is some common values among them. there's a line between abandoning biden and straight up endorsing trump. On 1/4/2024 at 9:23 AM, Bosque said: Chickens voting for KFC On 1/4/2024 at 9:34 AM, Dali said: I don't get everyone trying to shame them into electing biden simply because trump is trash as well, especially since alot of muslims are either palestianians themselves or are from countries that israel has bombed as well. You're basically going "i know this person is funding a genocide against your people and funding a terrorist state that bombs your countries whenever it feels like it, but you should definitely vote for him because the other option will do the same thing but is more openly racist towards you!!!" BOTH are extremely evil, and the most obvious thing would be to vote for neither seeing that none of them will actually fix anything. On 1/4/2024 at 11:44 AM, IBeMe said: The Muslim population in the Us is pretty small relative to the overall population. This won't matter much. The only state where it could make a tiny difference is Michigan but even then lots of Muslims are thinking about the alternative and that's Trump which is 10x worse for Muslims both domestically and internationally so idk. Either way it's a tough situation. America's two party system really stinks. On 1/4/2024 at 11:50 AM, loveisdead9582 said: … I'm not a big Biden lover myself but we know that trump will be a terror and he won't support them either. Another Muslim ban will be enacted within the first couple of months
loveisdead9582 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 21 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: 1. Who is this you're posting with only 450ish likes? It certainly isn't a viral post. 2. Why am I being quoted for a post that was made 3 months ago where I straight up said that I didn't love Biden? I've repeatedly said that I support a ceasefire in other threads as well. 3. you've made no context as to why you've quoted us all nor have you addressed the common throught among us all that Trump is just as bad - if not worse - when it comes to Israel and supporting Palestinians? The Muslim ban has already happened once. You really think he wouldn't do it again? What's happening over there is horrible and I do wish that the USA would stop supporting Israel. That said, instead of acknowledging the fact that Biden's likely opponent this election has the same views but is worse in virtually every other aspect, you are endorsing that very same opponent. If there is a third candidate that actually could win (no not the hypothetical bullshit involving everyone "waking up”) then by all means - please enlighten me because I would LOVE to keep these two clowns out of office. Until then, there are two choices - Trump or Biden. Both suck in this particular situation but one of them is far less embarrassing in most other areas.
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