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Does TS11 have the potential to outsell Adele's 25 first-week sales (3.38+ million)?


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Does TS11 have the potential to outsell Adele's 25 first-week sales (3.38+ million)?  

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  1. 1. Does TS11 have the potential to outsell Adele's 25 first-week sales (3.38+ million)?

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2 minutes ago, Sept said:

She literally just did it with 1989 TV

old photos everyone have seen already though

she can autograph a few unseen prints and make it really a gamble

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The industry has changed fundamentally since then, and too much for that to be possible even if she’s much bigger overall than Adele was at the time. The anticipation for a new Taylor album is also a little different from the anticipation for a follow-up to 21, which is what primarily drove 25’s extreme consumption in its first quarter of release. Unless something major changes, it’s not possible for anyone to do this.

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4 hours ago, Sept said:

That's not how it works in 2023. The physical sales market is carried by hardcore fans who purchase CDs/vinyls as merch/souvenirs. No one will buy a CD just to listen to the music (not that many people still have CD players anyways :michael:)

 

Also, fans who already purchased multiple copies will still stream the album 24/7 which results in higher SPS than just sales alone

But atrl keeps telling us she’s surpassed MJ/madonna and is at TB’s level so with the 13 variants she should have no issue selling 3.13M copies if she makes it a physical only release 🤷‍♀️ 

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Adele's was a once in a lifetime event that won't be topped period.

 

 

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Scorpion did like 700k with just streaming units so the most she can do like is like 2 million if that tbh 

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9 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

But atrl keeps telling us she’s surpassed MJ/madonna and is at TB’s level so with the 13 variants she should have no issue selling 3.13M copies if she makes it a physical only release 🤷‍♀️ 

Madonna’s never sold over a million in a week…

 

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No. 21 is the biggest album of all time. Midnights wasn't.

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No. She will do 2 million, 2.5. But Adele's record will never be broken. 

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9 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

But atrl keeps telling us she’s surpassed MJ/madonna and is at TB’s level so with the 13 variants she should have no issue selling 3.13M copies if she makes it a physical only release 🤷‍♀️ 

Why on earth would she even want a physical only release in *2024*?!?

Some MJ/Madonna fans stay stuck in the 80s I see.

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12 minutes ago, Kodak Energy said:

Madonna’s never sold over a million in a week…

 

And I- oops :coffee:

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You just know she was FUMING when 25 smashed so hard right at the end of the 1989 era. It's probably irked her ever since that no matter now many copies she sells Adele still has that record.

 

You know she will pull out ALL the stops now that her powers have multiplied and this is within reach

 

She'll have three bonus tracks for each cassette variant

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Kodak Energy said:

Madonna’s never sold over a million in a week…

 

We simply don't know that. Sales weren't tracked in the 80s during her peak. They were only tracked from her Erotica album onwards, at the point precisely where her appeal took a nosedive and was very hated on and didn't get big hits, so her first-week sales were bad.

 

Ray of Light did hold the record for biggest female first-week sales for a few months in 1998. But of course this only reflected the SoundScan period from about 1991 onwards. That record was then broken twice more that year, first by Lauryn Hill and then by Alanis Morissette, and then again by Britney in 2000. It would then take 15 years for it to be broken again by Adele.

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No people aren’t anticipating a Taylor album like that anymore especially compared to Adele hype. 

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8 minutes ago, Psyduck said:

You just know she was FUMING when 25 smashed so hard right at the end of the 1989 era. It's probably irked her ever since that no matter now many copies she sells Adele still has that record.

 

You know she will pull out ALL the stops now that her powers have multiplied and this is within reach

 

She'll have three bonus tracks for each cassette variant

 

 

1989 was her peak and will remain her peak. She won’t ever top that era when it comes to sales and hype. It all comes down after that from here and out. 

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6 minutes ago, Psyduck said:

 

We simply don't know that. Sales weren't tracked in the 80s during her peak. They were only tracked from her Erotica album onwards, at the point precisely where her appeal took a nosedive and was very hated on and didn't get big hits, so her first-week sales were bad.

 

Ray of Light did hold the record for biggest female first-week sales for a few months in 1998. But of course this only reflected the SoundScan period from about 1991 onwards. That record was then broken twice more that year, first by Lauryn Hill and then by Alanis Morissette, and then again by Britney in 2000. It would then take 15 years for it to be broken again by Adele.

This plus she didn’t rely on first week gimmicks. She very likely sold 1M+ copies other weeks other than opening week like thriller.

 

and since she’s in the title,

Adele kept selling over 1M+ copies that month of 25 and 21 did it weeks after debuting. Ah the effortless massacre they hate to see it :jonny5:

https://www.billboard.com/lists/million-selling-albums/

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No, the potential for that record to be broken disappeared with the departure of the digital era. Taylor will almost undoubtedly smash streaming records but with how the industry is growing and changing it probably won't be a record she'll keep forever. 

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15 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

can't she just copy the kpop way and include random photocards in each variant with some rare ones and have fans scrambling to collect them all

multiple kpop groups have cleared 3M+ first week domestically with this strategy

It's not just about the photocards; the main reason fans go the extra mile to buy as many albums as they can afford is that it's a way for them to potentially win an in-person meeting with the whole group (fanmeetings) or a face-to-face short online call.

Fans are aware that these album sales are crucial for the group's financial stability and further investing from their company (label), whereas a Taylor Swift fan typically buys an album simply because they like her and want to support her achieving a #1 on the charts.

Besides, these sales are only feasible because South Korean charts have minimal restrictions, or even none, on bundling and bulk purchases, unlike Billboard, which is increasingly implementing measures to curb mass buying of albums and songs by fans.

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For some reason I think TTPD is gonna sell less than Midnights. It'll still be massive though (obviously). 

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4 minutes ago, prettyinpink940 said:

For some reason I think TTPD is gonna sell less than Midnights. It'll still be massive though (obviously). 

TTPD will have a bigger debut week than midnights since 1989 tv sold more vinyl. vinyl sales continual increase for Taylor will likely give her biggest debut week 

 

Lifetime units depend on quality . 

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people already setting themselves up by underestimating her, are you not tired of always being wrong

 

OT: yes

 

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I guess it will. People are buying the material without hearing it so they don’t care if the music is good or not. They just buy everything attached to her name. Its a smart business move because she is aware she won’t have this power forever. 

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On 1/4/2024 at 2:10 PM, dirrtydiana said:

 

This plus she didn’t rely on first week gimmicks. She very likely sold 1M+ copies other weeks other than opening week like thriller.

 

and since she’s in the title,

Adele kept selling over 1M+ copies that month of 25 and 21 did it weeks after debuting. Ah the effortless massacre they hate to see it :jonny5:

https://www.billboard.com/lists/million-selling-albums/

21 success is not relied on a fanbase or gimmick, it was gp which doesnt do farm troll streaming 

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